I got myself kicked..

qbit · October 2018

Review your actions through the eyes of someone that has played the game for 20 hours. Like most PUGs. That should answer your question.

Metafae · October 2018

newtinmpls wrote: »

To OP's question, it would have been good to make a timer comment right at the beginning; I know most people are just "looking for [insert really hard to find drop that probably everyone else is looking for also]", but it's nice to start with that.

I know that later you said that YOU wanted to skip the trash mobs, so I have to ask:

1-was that part of what you said at the beginning?

2-Did you discuss tactics of HOW everyone could get by the trash mobs? I ask, because it's come up in groups I've been in, and when the one quickie runs by, sometimes it just stirs everything up so less experienced players get an angry mob in their face.

No, I definitely did not handle the situation correctly. I only told them I had a scroll running after I had skipped through the trash mobs as I was explaining to them that it's easiest to just skip them.

I completely understand their reaction to kick me for taking off like that. I don't think it was fair to do it without asking me to come back.

Honestly, I don't think they realised that I was tanking and doing almost all the dps when they kicked me. But they would have found that out very quickly if they ever made it to the next boss fight.

Sylvermynx · October 2018

Well, you've done the "mea culpa" now. So - next time you'll do better, right?

SydneyGrey · October 2018

Metafae wrote: »

Did I deserve to be kicked for wanting to skip the trash and rushing through the dungeon, or should I have carried them through the whole thing bit by bit?

In my opinion, yes, you deserved to be kicked. It's inconsiderate to the group to run ahead. In fact, I ran into another guy who did the same thing you did, but this was a few days ago. He had an XP scroll and kept running ahead, and didn't care that there were two of us doing the quest (this was a normal dungeon ... I would have expected a speed run on vet). We didn't kick him, but he really should have been kicked. It's not my problem if someone else has an XP scroll running. I click through the quests as quickly as I can, never stopping to read the dialogue, but it's still not fast enough for the speed runners.
Nothing wrong with a speed run, but the rest of the group has to be ok with it, too.

Iselin · October 2018

I blame it on the modern MMO player totally self-centered mentality that you even have to ask this question.

We all get why you wanted to rush to get the most out of your XP buff but that's something that benefits you and only you. Why you chose a group activity for those last 25 minutes of your individual buff is really what you should be asking yourself.

What do you think groups are about if not the collective good of the group?

If you don't go into group content with that firmly in mind you're just plain doing it wrong.

Metafae · October 2018

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

Did I deserve to be kicked for wanting to skip the trash and rushing through the dungeon, or should I have carried them through the whole thing bit by bit?

In my opinion, yes, you deserved to be kicked. It's inconsiderate to the group to run ahead. In fact, I ran into another guy who did the same thing you did, but this was a few days ago. He had an XP scroll and kept running ahead, and didn't care that there were two of us doing the quest (this was a normal dungeon ... I would have expected a speed run on vet). We didn't kick him, but he really should have been kicked. It's not my problem if someone else has an XP scroll running. I click through the quests as quickly as I can, never stopping to read the dialogue, but it's still not fast enough for the speed runners.
Nothing wrong with a speed run, but the rest of the group has to be ok with it, too.

I understand, and I agree, I don't remember that dungeon's quest all that well, but I'm pretty sure there is no dialog that you need to do at that point. I think the NPC's talk, but not directly to you, just in general to each other.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure with that quest you only talk to the quest giver, and then the Jarl at the end of the dungeon once complete, there's no dialog with NPC character inbetween.

idk · October 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, 3 people clearly thought you deserved to be kicked, and they were the three people that mattered.

I'm not sure why you are asking for a recount here.

Pretty much this.

Especially the part you ran ahead and let them deal with the trash. The dungeon certainly was not going to go any faster unless are just stellar dps.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · October 2018

Yep. You deserved to be kicked.

ArchMikem · October 2018

That one person just barreling through, drawing aggro on a ton of mob groups inevitably leading to an unwanted wipe definitely gets on peoples nerves. You shouldve told them beforehand, not after.

Beardimus · October 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, 3 people clearly thought you deserved to be kicked, and they were the three people that mattered.

I'm not sure why you are asking for a recount here.

This is the point that matters.

As for your situation, the problem is that PUGs having varying motives and rarely does anyone state then at the beginning. Of we could in the group finder it would help.

I.e. - first timer I want to do quest / here for XP speed run / here to complete and read every book / don't know mechanics.

I had this exact problem last year when skulls were on a timer. I wanted XP fast, said so at start, group got pissy as they wanted to wait for skull drops from bosses.

Same as PvP, it's the different motives in same instance that cause friction

Short story, If you were ruining fun for others,you deserved the boot. Regardless of your reasons.

Beardimus · October 2018

Also, if low on scroll timer, do a Battleground. It's 15 mins to get the same xp.

Blacksmoke · October 2018

Yeah you did. If the others dont want to skip stuff then you dont skip I personally hate people who skip if you are too busy to do a dungeon dont do a dungeon. I generally just do the part they want to skip solo and that can take a while as I am a healer so either they kick me wasting more time then just killing those adds or they comeback and help.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · October 2018

I would have removed you, personal i hate it when peeps think its a race, just enjoy the game, don't try and do the mile in 10 seconds

blacksghost · October 2018

Absolutely you deserved to be kicked.

ezio45 · October 2018

I dont pug for these very reasons

Ermiq · October 2018

I have seen a tank leaving a group in ICP when other players decided to run through the trash packs prior to the giant boss with bugs. He said "do you think it's fun?", and when one of the DDs answered him "it's faster to just skip them", he said "ok, good luck with new tank then" and left the group.

I've been kicked from Banished Cells 2 when my teammates ran through the trash and one of them died, and I said "nice, you've wasted my no-death run attempt". They kicked me with no comments.

So, it happens in PUGs. Different players have different goals in dungeons. Sometimes you have the same goals and sometimes you don't.

However, I love PUGs. They all are unique, every dungeon is not the same as previous one when you're in a PUG.

WuffyCerulei · October 2018

I say it's on you, my dude. You didn't say to skip the trash or that your scroll was running out. You ran off without the other 3 even knowing what was going on. Just next time, explain what you're gonna do. Good communication is key.

kylewwefan · October 2018

Sorry for your bad pug luck. That kind of stuff happens all the time. Lot of trash. Tanky mobs that are big pain. Players don’t know mechanics. Some purists that must kill every single thing in the dungeon before they allow you to progress....

Unfortunately best thing to do is stick with the group and run it at their pace. They probably weren’t gonna let you sneak past the last Minotaur mobs either.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · October 2018

If I pug I normally ask prior to skipping because then people generally agree rather than skipping and then they don't know how to.

blacksghost · October 2018

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

I say it's on you, my dude. You didn't say to skip the trash or that your scroll was running out. You ran off without the other 3 even knowing what was going on. Just next time, explain what you're gonna do. Good communication is key.

Not only say what you would “like” to do but listen to what the other 3 out of 4 players want to do.

Rake · October 2018

idk

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · October 2018

Yeah, you deserved it. You weren't playing as a team member, you were only thinking of yourself.

Jayman1000 · October 2018

If you get kicked then it's because you are a fake tank or a fake healer or generally just a horrible, terrible player that needs to have your soul cleansed in the fiery pits of hell. You deserve every punishment that the community deems fit for someone such as you. There's no way you can be innocent. Kicked = guilty. You should purchase a name change and rename your character Adolfoo Hitlorz.

Fleshreaper · October 2018

Metafae wrote: »

I may have deserved it though.

I decided to do a random normal, I had a Grand XP scroll running and 25 minutes left on it, so I thought I should get that juicy XP and just rush the dungeon.
Naturally I contemplated setting my role to tank and just slot a taunt. I've done this before to no complaints, it's not difficult to hold taunt in a normal dungeon as a dps, but I decided best get a real tank this time.

The queue pops and Falkreath hold is the dungeon chosen. The tank is actually an argonian in light armor with a resto staff. I don't care as long as they taunt.
Tank does not taunt at all, and because I was doing 92% of the group dps, the enemies would naturally target me. This was fine, I was able to just stand still and let the enemies pile up in front of me, I have a couple actual tanks so I know what to do, just keep them still inside all our DoTs.

After completing the Mammoth boss, I decided to skip the trash inside the city and rush straight to the next boss, partly because my XP timer was running out and also I haven't actually bothered with that trash since the dungeon was released. This upset my team, they did not like me running ahead. I told them to just run past everything and die at the next boss. Rather than asking me to come back to them, they chose to kick me from the group.

Realistically, unless they got a replacement DPS that can carry while tanking, they definitely did not complete that dungeon without me.

My question to everyone:

Did I deserve to be kicked for wanting to skip the trash and rushing through the dungeon, or should I have carried them through the whole thing bit by bit?

Not a problem with anything but the very last part. Run past the mobs and die at the boss. I think that right there may have been the biggest problem. I know soul gems are a dime a dozen, hell, I have almost 4 stacks on one toon. It's the point of an PRG, kill things without being killed.

Jayman1000 · October 2018

Fleshreaper wrote: »

Not a problem with anything but the very last part. Run past the mobs and die at the boss. I think that right there may have been the biggest problem. I know soul gems are a dime a dozen, hell, I have almost 4 stacks on one toon. It's the point of an PRG, kill things without being killed.

They shouldn't even have died from that, just run past the mobs and then aoe them all to death at the next bos while the healer throws a few aoe heals. Problem solved, no deaths. In fact in a normal dungeon they should be able to heal themselves, even low levels in crappy gear can do that quite easily.

Snipress · October 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

As I said, I probably deserved it. I'm not arguing against that.

Mostly I just wanted to open a discussion here and maybe hear some other stories from other players.

Well, if you want a story, I just finished normal Arx Corinium on my level 36 magblade tank, having been a replacement for two people who dropped group on two low levels who "didnt have enough DPS" to get past the first boss - the snake that regenerates.

Apparently it was easier to drop group than explain the mechanic to them that you have to get out of the snake's circle to stop the regeneration. That was literally all the problem was - their DPS was fine for their level, they listened to all the mechanics, and we completed the dungeon no problem.

Maybe its just that I main a tank, but I tend to stick with the group, wait for people who need the quest, and I rarely rush. By the same token, I very rarely vote to kick, because unless the group is completely nonfunctional, not obeying mechanics or we cant pass actual DPS checks, I can almost always complete the dungeon.

I remember doing that dungeon a while back as a healer and, of course, they would stand in the poison gas that heals the snake, and all while trying to damage it. I hoped they would realize what they were doing wrong, but I ended up having to tell them. However, except 1 person. They didn't listen whatsoever and kept standing in the gas. I even contemplated on not healing him, but... I have too much of a heart.

That's just one example of the people I've met through random queue.

lagrue · October 2018

Metafae wrote: »

I may have deserved it though.

My question to everyone:

Did I deserve to be kicked for wanting to skip the trash and rushing through the dungeon, or should I have carried them through the whole thing bit by bit?

Yes, I don't like encountering people like you in Dungeons. Falkreath hold might not be so bad - but try pulling crap in places like IC dungeons where you lock your entire team out of every fight. Or the people who run through the lava in City of Ash II leaving unsuspecting players to be overrun by trash mobs.

Either play it properly or don't, imo.

SydneyGrey · October 2018

Snipress wrote: »

I remember doing that dungeon a while back as a healer and, of course, they would stand in the poison gas that heals the snake, and all while trying to damage it. I hoped they would realize what they were doing wrong, but I ended up having to tell them. However, except 1 person. They didn't listen whatsoever and kept standing in the gas. I even contemplated on not healing him, but... I have too much of a heart.

Maybe he didn't speak English, or had the chat window closed for whatever reason.

Fleshreaper · October 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Fleshreaper wrote: »

Not a problem with anything but the very last part. Run past the mobs and die at the boss. I think that right there may have been the biggest problem. I know soul gems are a dime a dozen, hell, I have almost 4 stacks on one toon. It's the point of an PRG, kill things without being killed.

They shouldn't even have died from that, just run past the mobs and then aoe them all to death at the next bos while the healer throws a few aoe heals. Problem solved, no deaths. In fact in a normal dungeon they should be able to heal themselves, even low levels in crappy gear can do that quite easily.

But that's NOT what the OP said. Op said, " I told them to just run past everything and die at the next boss. "

Snipress · October 2018

Anyway, I don't mind people running through certain dungeons; like some of the harder ones. It also depends on what I feel like doing, too. But, I've had several run through the easy ones. I had some 'max CP' guy with great DPS rush through Fungal Grotto I before, leaving me and the lower levels that were with us. It would've taken him literally seconds to melt every enemy he came across, considering he melted the bosses. Like, was it really necessary, even if you are an overkill.