I got myself kicked..

Metafae · October 2018

I may have deserved it though.

I decided to do a random normal, I had a Grand XP scroll running and 25 minutes left on it, so I thought I should get that juicy XP and just rush the dungeon.
Naturally I contemplated setting my role to tank and just slot a taunt. I've done this before to no complaints, it's not difficult to hold taunt in a normal dungeon as a dps, but I decided best get a real tank this time.

The queue pops and Falkreath hold is the dungeon chosen. The tank is actually an argonian in light armor with a resto staff. I don't care as long as they taunt.
Tank does not taunt at all, and because I was doing 92% of the group dps, the enemies would naturally target me. This was fine, I was able to just stand still and let the enemies pile up in front of me, I have a couple actual tanks so I know what to do, just keep them still inside all our DoTs.

After completing the Mammoth boss, I decided to skip the trash inside the city and rush straight to the next boss, partly because my XP timer was running out and also I haven't actually bothered with that trash since the dungeon was released. This upset my team, they did not like me running ahead. I told them to just run past everything and die at the next boss. Rather than asking me to come back to them, they chose to kick me from the group.

Realistically, unless they got a replacement DPS that can carry while tanking, they definitely did not complete that dungeon without me.

My question to everyone:

Did I deserve to be kicked for wanting to skip the trash and rushing through the dungeon, or should I have carried them through the whole thing bit by bit?

VaranisArano · October 2018

Well, 3 people clearly thought you deserved to be kicked, and they were the three people that mattered.

I'm not sure why you are asking for a recount here.

Metafae · October 2018

As I said, I probably deserved it. I'm not arguing against that.

Mostly I just wanted to open a discussion here and maybe hear some other stories from other players.

frostz417 · October 2018

You really didn’t deserve it. But noobs just don’t understand so they’ll eventually learn

AlienatedGoat · October 2018

Yes, you deserved it. I understand you had a scroll running, and you pulled a DLC. That's the chance we take with Group Finder. Groupmates may have also been underwhelming - just another chance we take.

I've had it happen many times where I pop in for a "quick random" and end up with some longwinded DLC dungeon. XP timer or not, you just gotta roll with it and be respectful to your other group members.

MakeMeUhSamich · October 2018

Pop scrolls during the run?

Sylvermynx · October 2018

If you wanted feedback, you should have been up front with the others first. "I'm on a scroll, timer is ticking, I need to do a fast run."

That probably would have got you whatever you needed to know before you got 3/4 of the way through - but at least honesty could have been a better policy.

AlienatedGoat · October 2018

Sylvermynx wrote: »

If you wanted feedback, you should have been up front with the others first. "I'm on a scroll, timer is ticking, I need to do a fast run."

That probably would have got you whatever you needed to know before you got 3/4 of the way through - but at least honesty could have been a better policy.

A good point. I personally would be more inclined to speed things up if someone said they had a scroll running at the start.

OrdoHermetica · October 2018

Phage wrote: »

Yes, you deserved it. I understand you had a scroll running, and you pulled a DLC. That's the chance we take with Group Finder. Groupmates may have also been underwhelming - just another chance we take.

I've had it happen many times where I pop in for a "quick random" and end up with some longwinded DLC dungeon. XP timer or not, you just gotta roll with it and be respectful to your other group members.

Alternately, just drop group at the beginning and let them find someone else. Log out with that character until you can queue again, or go do dolmens or something while waiting for the cooldown to be over. That way, you're A.) not wasting your group's time and B.) not wasting your time.

AlienatedGoat · October 2018

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Yes, you deserved it. I understand you had a scroll running, and you pulled a DLC. That's the chance we take with Group Finder. Groupmates may have also been underwhelming - just another chance we take.

I've had it happen many times where I pop in for a "quick random" and end up with some longwinded DLC dungeon. XP timer or not, you just gotta roll with it and be respectful to your other group members.

Alternately, just drop group at the beginning and let them find someone else. Log out with that character until you can queue again, or go do dolmens or something while waiting for the cooldown to be over. That way, you're A.) not wasting your group's time and B.) not wasting your time.

I've actually done that lol.

Log out, log in on other chars, do some crafting for 15 minutes, log back to the other char and requeue.

Metafae · October 2018

These are all good suggestions. I did tell them I had a scroll running though. It made no difference.

Edit: I did log out after getting kicked. Still got the bonus, and will try again today after work, but will queue with a friend, and I will probably set myself to tank, slot a taunt, have my friend set as healer, and just rush through what ever dungeon we get.

AlienatedGoat · October 2018

Metafae wrote: »

These are all good suggestions. I did tell them I had a scroll running though. It made no difference.

In that case I would've just dropped group and logged out to avoid wasting the timer. Then done what @OrdoHermetica said, and waited out the 15 minutes before I came back to requeue.

Prolly would've gotten some other DLC dungeon again, but hey at least I tried.

VaranisArano · October 2018

Metafae wrote: »

As I said, I probably deserved it. I'm not arguing against that.

Mostly I just wanted to open a discussion here and maybe hear some other stories from other players.

Well, if you want a story, I just finished normal Arx Corinium on my level 36 magblade tank, having been a replacement for two people who dropped group on two low levels who "didnt have enough DPS" to get past the first boss - the snake that regenerates.

Apparently it was easier to drop group than explain the mechanic to them that you have to get out of the snake's circle to stop the regeneration. That was literally all the problem was - their DPS was fine for their level, they listened to all the mechanics, and we completed the dungeon no problem.

Maybe its just that I main a tank, but I tend to stick with the group, wait for people who need the quest, and I rarely rush. By the same token, I very rarely vote to kick, because unless the group is completely nonfunctional, not obeying mechanics or we cant pass actual DPS checks, I can almost always complete the dungeon.

Sylvermynx · October 2018

Metafae wrote: »

These are all good suggestions. I did tell them I had a scroll running though. It made no difference.

Well, that's on them for not paying attention or whatever then. Maybe they didn't understand that you needed to get a fast run in. Or maybe they just used you to get them to a point where they had other options? I don't actually know how stuff like that works in this game - all my background is a decade in WoW and RIFT.

Darkenarlol · October 2018

Being kicked by useless scrubs because you carry them? Sounds bad.
But is 'just run and die' a carry?

Anyway it is better to grab and carry some low-lv into your party from guild or zone
for fast non-dlc randoms to get use of that exp scroll instead of wasting your time with
fakes and scrubs in dlc

MartiniDaniels · October 2018

This happens often in DLC normals, you carry the group of newbies, then they kick you near dungeon end, because you make them miss quest..

Faunter · October 2018

I would have ran with you

Robvenom · October 2018

Why is everyone assuming the other people in the party were noobs?

Yeah, right he was doing 92% of the DPS. The tank probably was taunting but SpeedyMcPugstick was probably running in and aggroing everything and making the tank run around like a headless chicken trying to clean up the impatient DPS mess.

Yeah, I call 100% *** on your story. Oh, and I would have kicked you too, without hesitation.

As a tank who PUGs a lot, I see players like the OP all the time. They are impatient, only think of themselves, believe they are the only ones DPS'ing and it's always the healers or tanks fault when they die. Happens all the time, and guess what, when said player gets kicked, *** dies just as fast as when they were in the party.

Metafae · October 2018

I only mentioned the dungeon for context to explain the point where I ran ahead.

I didn't care it was a DLC dungeon, quite confident I could complete it with just having a healer keep me alive while I tank and dps the boss, and that group had two healers.

Metafae · October 2018

Faunter wrote: »

I would have ran with you

We need to catch up "Faught-ner"

TempPlayer · October 2018

You can also ask the other three to see if they are doing daily random as well. If they are, you can suggest porting to an easier dungeon and clean that instead, which should still count as clearing the daily random.

Ramber · October 2018

Yes because you were acting only in your own interest not in the groups. Remember the dngn is a group effort no matter how many minutes you have ticking away on a fricken scroll lol. Just man up and admit you took a chance and got spanked for it. Perhaps if you took 30 seconds to tell them what you needed they would have gone along with it. never know some groups just say hell yeah lets do it.

GreenHere · October 2018

Rumor has it those three are still running Falkreath even to this very day... Their 8% dps wasn't enough, and they're not allowed to leave until they clear the entire dungeon.

For real, though, screw those guys. If the "tank" doesn't slot a taunt, they deserve to be kicked. You would have been better off queueing as a fake tank, since you're among the few with the courtesy to taunt even as a dps. It's a bummer you got kicked, but you don't need to run with groups like that anyway. Jokes aside, unless they gave up or got carried, they probably took hours to get that normal done if what you say is true about their (lack of) damage and coordination. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Sylvermynx · October 2018

TempPlayer wrote: »

You can also ask the other three to see if they are doing daily random as well. If they are, you can suggest porting to an easier dungeon and clean that instead, which should still count as clearing the daily random.

Another good idea!

Dojohoda · October 2018

yes

Jeremy · October 2018

Metafae wrote: »

I may have deserved it though.

I decided to do a random normal, I had a Grand XP scroll running and 25 minutes left on it, so I thought I should get that juicy XP and just rush the dungeon.
Naturally I contemplated setting my role to tank and just slot a taunt. I've done this before to no complaints, it's not difficult to hold taunt in a normal dungeon as a dps, but I decided best get a real tank this time.

The queue pops and Falkreath hold is the dungeon chosen. The tank is actually an argonian in light armor with a resto staff. I don't care as long as they taunt.
Tank does not taunt at all, and because I was doing 92% of the group dps, the enemies would naturally target me. This was fine, I was able to just stand still and let the enemies pile up in front of me, I have a couple actual tanks so I know what to do, just keep them still inside all our DoTs.

After completing the Mammoth boss, I decided to skip the trash inside the city and rush straight to the next boss, partly because my XP timer was running out and also I haven't actually bothered with that trash since the dungeon was released. This upset my team, they did not like me running ahead. I told them to just run past everything and die at the next boss. Rather than asking me to come back to them, they chose to kick me from the group.

Realistically, unless they got a replacement DPS that can carry while tanking, they definitely did not complete that dungeon without me.

My question to everyone:

Did I deserve to be kicked for wanting to skip the trash and rushing through the dungeon, or should I have carried them through the whole thing bit by bit?

You deserved to be kicked in my opinion if you kept trying to suicide yourself to the next boss. I hate it when people do that. Drives me nuts and I've left dungeons because of it before. But they should have gave you a chance to come back if they weren't willing to do it. So they were a little trigger happy.

That being said - sounded like your tank needed to be kicked too. Frankly, this just sounds like a horrid group period. I'm glad I wasn't in it.

GreenHere · October 2018

GreenHere wrote: »

Rumor has it those three are still running Falkreath even to this very day... Their 8% dps wasn't enough, and they're not allowed to leave until they clear the entire dungeon.

For real, though, screw those guys. If the "tank" doesn't slot a taunt, they deserve to be kicked. You would have been better off queueing as a fake tank, since you're among the few with the courtesy to taunt even as a dps. It's a bummer you got kicked, but you don't need to run with groups like that anyway. Jokes aside, unless they gave up or got carried, they probably took hours to get that normal done if what you say is true about their (lack of) damage and coordination. Ain't nobody got time for that.

But yeah, you sorta deserved the kick too. Gotta respect your team mates (even if they are terrible jackasses). Otherwise, it's just better to bow out and try again with others.

D0PAMINE · October 2018

I'd have to hear their side to form an opinion, but does it really matter?

firedrgn · October 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, 3 people clearly thought you deserved to be kicked, and they were the three people that mattered.

I'm not sure why you are asking for a recount here.

Nah. If gotten kick as healer doing 60 % of dps and healing. Its always one loud mouth low lvl putting 10 pounds of smack in a 2 pound box on chat.

I just put cmx into chat now.

firedrgn · October 2018

Metafae wrote: »

I may have deserved it though.

I decided to do a random normal, I had a Grand XP scroll running and 25 minutes left on it, so I thought I should get that juicy XP and just rush the dungeon.
Naturally I contemplated setting my role to tank and just slot a taunt. I've done this before to no complaints, it's not difficult to hold taunt in a normal dungeon as a dps, but I decided best get a real tank this time.

The queue pops and Falkreath hold is the dungeon chosen. The tank is actually an argonian in light armor with a resto staff. I don't care as long as they taunt.
Tank does not taunt at all, and because I was doing 92% of the group dps, the enemies would naturally target me. This was fine, I was able to just stand still and let the enemies pile up in front of me, I have a couple actual tanks so I know what to do, just keep them still inside all our DoTs.

After completing the Mammoth boss, I decided to skip the trash inside the city and rush straight to the next boss, partly because my XP timer was running out and also I haven't actually bothered with that trash since the dungeon was released. This upset my team, they did not like me running ahead. I told them to just run past everything and die at the next boss. Rather than asking me to come back to them, they chose to kick me from the group.

Realistically, unless they got a replacement DPS that can carry while tanking, they definitely did not complete that dungeon without me.

My question to everyone:

Did I deserve to be kicked for wanting to skip the trash and rushing through the dungeon, or should I have carried them through the whole thing bit by bit?

No it happens tho.. im on pc. I just put cmx into chat now.

When earthgore goes off on the first trash you know its going to be a rough ride.

newtinmpls · October 2018

Metafae wrote: »

As I said, I probably deserved it. I'm not arguing against that.

Mostly I just wanted to open a discussion here and maybe hear some other stories from other players.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, if you want a story, I just finished normal Arx Corinium on my level 36 magblade tank, having been a replacement for two people who dropped group on two low levels who "didnt have enough DPS" to get past the first boss - the snake that regenerates.

Apparently it was easier to drop group than explain the mechanic to them that you have to get out of the snake's circle to stop the regeneration. That was literally all the problem was - their DPS was fine for their level, they listened to all the mechanics, and we completed the dungeon no problem.

Maybe its just that I main a tank, but I tend to stick with the group, wait for people who need the quest, and I rarely rush. By the same token, I very rarely vote to kick, because unless the group is completely nonfunctional, not obeying mechanics or we cant pass actual DPS checks, I can almost always complete the dungeon.

Oh I can still recall the first frustrating time that I realized that there was a mechanic with the red circles; had done that dungeon more times than I can count, usually just burned the critter so fast it didn't matter.

Probably wasted at least 30 min on that one fight till a friend (in skype chat) figured out what I wasn't doing and pointed it out. Kudos to the group for sticking through it - none of us had realized that darn mechanic.

Makes me wonder how many other things I have blazed past on a high skilled/DPS character and never noticed.

To OP's question, it would have been good to make a timer comment right at the beginning; I know most people are just "looking for [insert really hard to find drop that probably everyone else is looking for also]", but it's nice to start with that.

I know that later you said that YOU wanted to skip the trash mobs, so I have to ask:

1-was that part of what you said at the beginning?

2-Did you discuss tactics of HOW everyone could get by the trash mobs? I ask, because it's come up in groups I've been in, and when the one quickie runs by, sometimes it just stirs everything up so less experienced players get an angry mob in their face.

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