Sorc shield

TheValar85 · October 2018

The Sorcerer Shield nerf needs to be reversed ASAP

The only survival ability for sorc DD in pve is ruined everything basicly. On The PTS I can bearly even survive anything. And i am not a noob player.

In trials where we have to spamm our shields due to the posioning effects in SO is a mandatory survival ability when everyone is bascily stacking on eachother due to the looting and due to other mechanics.

even in random Dungeons including normal or veteran when fake healers and fake tanks are flooding the dungeons we can only rely on our shields. Say what ever you want about go with guild or try to make a premade group with your friends, thats not often works out, for other reasons im not gonna address that.

I dont realy care anymore about the constant PVP Mele cryers anymore about how sorcerers performing in Cyrodiil or in battle ground if you guys cant penetrate a sorcerers shileds or using your logic how to outsmart a sorcerer just simply quit the game and stop running further the sorcerer class.

My opinion about the streamers who cryes out for more sorc nerfs, well they dont even play as a sorc and yet they keep coming againts the class. This is reached a point basicly where sorcerers will be completly and utterly usless. While the mele's bacisly onehitt killing everything, with dragon leap, or a NB with ambush penetrating at least more then 80k shiled and instant kills a sorcerers. One hit kill combos nice, and you guys keep QQ about the sorcerers while clearly your classes are over performing. This is no longer fair anymore. And this game is not just about YOUR Class. You are not own this game nor @ZOS. So my adivce is to suck it up. and move foward, learn to over smart a sorc and use your logic skills.

and now removing the third bar from the overload? Realy? i have read the article about this change of reason but thats utter nonsense.

How many players you want @ZOS to leav the game? cos not everyone is fancy playing with mele characters. This game is not just about them. If the players feels week their classes listen to their buff requests and give it to them. and now even sorcerers could use a huge amount of buffs as well, not just in defensive skills but also in offensive skills.

If you want to balance the pvp aspect of the game here is my idea for that: Disable every gear stat and set bonnuses in the PVP zones(except weaponry): and write a script that automaticly sets up (or scale )the stats for every class for a reasonable % its not hard just simply look at your stat sheet and tweek them test it out wich class and their stats how shoudl be balanced yet not over powered. it is not hard. And with this method the issue with PVP is sloved forever, Yet PVE will be uneffected including the PVE skills. duels are not included in this system thats just dosent matter, who is over powered and who is not. Feel Free @ZOS to contact me in this matter. i woudl gladly even help the testing phase.
Becasue teh constant Nerfs becasue of the PVP is cannot stands anymore while also PVE is effected as well and not in the good way.

Reverse The Shiled nerf ASAP.

No is not an option anymore. WE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS!

PS: Trolls are not allowed here.

Banana · October 2018

The know alls will tell you theyve done the math and there fine. I dont like math or know alls.

swirve · October 2018

Fake tanks are a real problem in AF... ZoS really needs to find a way of better detecting and start some AF long term bans, say a week long for abusing AF with fake role selection.

The_Camper · October 2018

Someone please give me the NB build for 1 shotting people with "AMBUSH" for over 80k damage.

if this is true, zos should go ahead and nerf DK sustain again as a fix.

susmitds · October 2018

TheValar85 wrote: »

While the mele's bacisly onehitt killing everything, with dragon leap, or a NB with ambush penetrating at least more then 80k shiled and instant kills a sorcerers. One hit kill combos nice, and you guys keep QQ about the sorcerers while clearly your classes are over performing.

TheValar85 wrote: »

PS: Trolls are not allowed here.

OK.

Acrolas · October 2018

Let's all try out what's actually in the Live patch notes for a few days before throwing individual *** fits.

susmitds · October 2018

BTW, shields are mainly a PvE nerf.

Welcome to the stamina world.

Starlock · October 2018

I’m pretty sure my sorc is going to be better of, honestly. Because I build to a character concept, that means I don’t typically build glass cannons. He already doesn’t crutch on his shield because he has better health and resistences... which might just make shields better for him in general, not worse. Considering a goal of these changes is to force glass cannons to actually BE glass cannons, seems that goal might be accomplished here.

weg0 · October 2018

TheValar85 wrote: »

this game is not just about YOUR Class. You are not own this game nor @ZOS. So my adivce is to suck it up. and move foward

You said it yourself.

Ruckly · October 2018

Concerning OP trolls can go wherever they wish on the official forums.

You are coming from a PvE perspective so you might be lacking some of the key arguments that PvP players have concerning sorc shield nerf. The most relevant one being NBs get first shot and it usually hits very hard. Sorcerer by definition in the cannon of both D&D and elder scrolls I believe are supposed to be low health high damage spell casters the depend on their magicka pool for survival. Because stealth was un-nerfed at some point NBs can restealth and get 2nd and 3rd hit in full dps gear. It takes a GCD to cast mage light and is only good for 3 seconds. Other alternative is poisons that block stealth but only have a 20% chance to apply. Getting in shields and magelight and bolt escape(whatever that's worth with teleport strike) and surviving a gank from a NB should be the rule of measure. Otherwise everyone wears heavy armor to be ungankable.

Concerning the PvE perspective maybe something should be added to the sorcs toll kit instead of just GCD shields. The most enjoyable raids are the ones where you take down a tough boss in progression content. If all you do is shield through everything and dps without any timed blocks or dodge rolls it will get stale eventually. Shields are GCD management and that is about it. Ideas to improve PvE for a sorc would be something like adding a shield to frost staff block off the GCD that lasts during block and maybe 1 second after and the option to turn off the taunt. The idea being to put more survivability in the survival staff the ice staff. Thus a trade off is sort of made between dps and survivability back barring a frost staff instead of whatever sorc usually backbar.

Jameliel · October 2018

TheValar85 wrote: »

The Sorcerer Shield nerf needs to be reversed ASAP

The only survival ability for sorc DD in pve is ruined everything basicly. On The PTS I can bearly even survive anything. And i am not a noob player.

In trials where we have to spamm our shields due to the posioning effects in SO is a mandatory survival ability when everyone is bascily stacking on eachother due to the looting and due to other mechanics.

even in random Dungeons including normal or veteran when fake healers and fake tanks are flooding the dungeons we can only rely on our shields. Say what ever you want about go with guild or try to make a premade group with your friends, thats not often works out, for other reasons im not gonna address that.

I dont realy care anymore about the constant PVP Mele cryers anymore about how sorcerers performing in Cyrodiil or in battle ground if you guys cant penetrate a sorcerers shileds or using your logic how to outsmart a sorcerer just simply quit the game and stop running further the sorcerer class.

My opinion about the streamers who cryes out for more sorc nerfs, well they dont even play as a sorc and yet they keep coming againts the class. This is reached a point basicly where sorcerers will be completly and utterly usless. While the mele's bacisly onehitt killing everything, with dragon leap, or a NB with ambush penetrating at least more then 80k shiled and instant kills a sorcerers. One hit kill combos nice, and you guys keep QQ about the sorcerers while clearly your classes are over performing. This is no longer fair anymore. And this game is not just about YOUR Class. You are not own this game nor @ZOS. So my adivce is to suck it up. and move foward, learn to over smart a sorc and use your logic skills.

and now removing the third bar from the overload? Realy? i have read the article about this change of reason but thats utter nonsense.

How many players you want @ZOS to leav the game? cos not everyone is fancy playing with mele characters. This game is not just about them. If the players feels week their classes listen to their buff requests and give it to them. and now even sorcerers could use a huge amount of buffs as well, not just in defensive skills but also in offensive skills.

If you want to balance the pvp aspect of the game here is my idea for that: Disable every gear stat and set bonnuses in the PVP zones(except weaponry): and write a script that automaticly sets up (or scale )the stats for every class for a reasonable % its not hard just simply look at your stat sheet and tweek them test it out wich class and their stats how shoudl be balanced yet not over powered. it is not hard. And with this method the issue with PVP is sloved forever, Yet PVE will be uneffected including the PVE skills. duels are not included in this system thats just dosent matter, who is over powered and who is not. Feel Free @ZOS to contact me in this matter. i woudl gladly even help the testing phase.
Becasue teh constant Nerfs becasue of the PVP is cannot stands anymore while also PVE is effected as well and not in the good way.

Reverse The Shiled nerf ASAP.

No is not an option anymore. WE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS!

PS: Trolls are not allowed here.

They are nerfing just to nerf. It's not because of pvp or pve specifically. If anything it would be more pve oriented as there are far more casual players/ pvers in general. The nerfs suck donkey apparatus, but blaming pvp is stupid. Blame the dudes in charge, with whom it's obvious are challenged in someway or another. Perhaps they have secret addictions. We can only speculate as to the cause(s) of their supreme idiocy.

generalmyrick · October 2018

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TheValar85 · October 2018

susmitds wrote: »

BTW, shields are mainly a PvE nerf.

Welcome to the stamina world.

But i am a mag sorc comeon. Why do i have to switch to a stam build and wearing heavy? Sorcerers are mainly concepted by using magicka (yeah sure you can build a tanky stam sorc in full heavy but i am not into that and i am not alone with that cocept) so its confusing why would @ZOS want to force the sorc class to switch in pvp and in pve to wear heavy gears and switch over to stamina builds? thats just stupid.

Sergykid · October 2018

u know u have 3 other ways to heal.

pet, surge, and conversion, which will be more convenient if it becomes instant cast. Shield now need to be used tactically, just like it should have been for a long time, enough of magsorc facerolling bullshift

Didgerion · October 2018

TheValar85 wrote: »

The Sorcerer Shield nerf needs to be reversed ASAP

The only survival ability for sorc DD in pve is ruined everything basicly. On The PTS I can bearly even survive anything. And i am not a noob player.

In trials where we have to spamm our shields due to the posioning effects in SO is a mandatory survival ability when everyone is bascily stacking on eachother due to the looting and due to other mechanics.

even in random Dungeons including normal or veteran when fake healers and fake tanks are flooding the dungeons we can only rely on our shields. Say what ever you want about go with guild or try to make a premade group with your friends, thats not often works out, for other reasons im not gonna address that.

I dont realy care anymore about the constant PVP Mele cryers anymore about how sorcerers performing in Cyrodiil or in battle ground if you guys cant penetrate a sorcerers shileds or using your logic how to outsmart a sorcerer just simply quit the game and stop running further the sorcerer class.

My opinion about the streamers who cryes out for more sorc nerfs, well they dont even play as a sorc and yet they keep coming againts the class. This is reached a point basicly where sorcerers will be completly and utterly usless. While the mele's bacisly onehitt killing everything, with dragon leap, or a NB with ambush penetrating at least more then 80k shiled and instant kills a sorcerers. One hit kill combos nice, and you guys keep QQ about the sorcerers while clearly your classes are over performing. This is no longer fair anymore. And this game is not just about YOUR Class. You are not own this game nor @ZOS. So my adivce is to suck it up. and move foward, learn to over smart a sorc and use your logic skills.

and now removing the third bar from the overload? Realy? i have read the article about this change of reason but thats utter nonsense.

How many players you want @ZOS to leav the game? cos not everyone is fancy playing with mele characters. This game is not just about them. If the players feels week their classes listen to their buff requests and give it to them. and now even sorcerers could use a huge amount of buffs as well, not just in defensive skills but also in offensive skills.

If you want to balance the pvp aspect of the game here is my idea for that: Disable every gear stat and set bonnuses in the PVP zones(except weaponry): and write a script that automaticly sets up (or scale )the stats for every class for a reasonable % its not hard just simply look at your stat sheet and tweek them test it out wich class and their stats how shoudl be balanced yet not over powered. it is not hard. And with this method the issue with PVP is sloved forever, Yet PVE will be uneffected including the PVE skills. duels are not included in this system thats just dosent matter, who is over powered and who is not. Feel Free @ZOS to contact me in this matter. i woudl gladly even help the testing phase.
Becasue teh constant Nerfs becasue of the PVP is cannot stands anymore while also PVE is effected as well and not in the good way.

Reverse The Shiled nerf ASAP.

No is not an option anymore. WE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS!

PS: Trolls are not allowed here.

I think that shields in non-CP PVP are not getting nerfed, as my current shields is about 50% of my HP anyway,
also shields get resistance now but they also can be crit. Just transmute small pieces to impen trait and your sorc will be very close to the pre-nerf state.

CP-PVP is broken, sorcs under-performed there in the high damage - high sustain meta pulled out by stam builds. And sorcs will be even worse there post nerf as stamina builds got a slight DPS buff, while sorcs shields got a slight nerfed - but seriously stop playing CP-PVP, it is very unbalanced.

And PVE shield nerf is real, and it is not PVP focused. Game designers specifically nerfed PVE shields as they were too big and sorcs could skip lots of mechanics.

TheValar85 · October 2018

Sergykid wrote: »

u know u have 3 other ways to heal.

pet, surge, and conversion, which will be more convenient if it becomes instant cast. Shield now need to be used tactically, just like it should have been for a long time, enough of magsorc facerolling bullshift

First of i am not using pet, nor surge due to specific build and nor conversion in pve, (and honestly i haven't seen much sorc in Cyrodiil who use pets at all At least in Pc Eu vivec, sure in Cyrodiil surge is usefull and i admit i use that in there, but not in PVE, unless if i use my overload bars what i do use but now @ZOS wants it to take it avay that too so thank you for your help, but it wont work soon enough) and not into change my whole build.

And about your last statement about enough of magesorc fareroll bs. well mate how about if your class would suffer the same? hm? i bet you would posting on the forum and ranting over and over again, becasue thats basicly what happend to the sorcerers as well. People keep Cry about the magsorcers while clearly they lacking how to outsmart them in PVP enviroment and now due to the nerf weaves the PVE aspect of the game is effected by these changes. wich is not went well in the good direction. And there are a tons of threads about this matter and people who plays as magsorc are rightfuly had enough of this.

TheValar85 · October 2018

Didgerion wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

The Sorcerer Shield nerf needs to be reversed ASAP

The only survival ability for sorc DD in pve is ruined everything basicly. On The PTS I can bearly even survive anything. And i am not a noob player.

In trials where we have to spamm our shields due to the posioning effects in SO is a mandatory survival ability when everyone is bascily stacking on eachother due to the looting and due to other mechanics.

even in random Dungeons including normal or veteran when fake healers and fake tanks are flooding the dungeons we can only rely on our shields. Say what ever you want about go with guild or try to make a premade group with your friends, thats not often works out, for other reasons im not gonna address that.

I dont realy care anymore about the constant PVP Mele cryers anymore about how sorcerers performing in Cyrodiil or in battle ground if you guys cant penetrate a sorcerers shileds or using your logic how to outsmart a sorcerer just simply quit the game and stop running further the sorcerer class.

My opinion about the streamers who cryes out for more sorc nerfs, well they dont even play as a sorc and yet they keep coming againts the class. This is reached a point basicly where sorcerers will be completly and utterly usless. While the mele's bacisly onehitt killing everything, with dragon leap, or a NB with ambush penetrating at least more then 80k shiled and instant kills a sorcerers. One hit kill combos nice, and you guys keep QQ about the sorcerers while clearly your classes are over performing. This is no longer fair anymore. And this game is not just about YOUR Class. You are not own this game nor @ZOS. So my adivce is to suck it up. and move foward, learn to over smart a sorc and use your logic skills.

and now removing the third bar from the overload? Realy? i have read the article about this change of reason but thats utter nonsense.

How many players you want @ZOS to leav the game? cos not everyone is fancy playing with mele characters. This game is not just about them. If the players feels week their classes listen to their buff requests and give it to them. and now even sorcerers could use a huge amount of buffs as well, not just in defensive skills but also in offensive skills.

If you want to balance the pvp aspect of the game here is my idea for that: Disable every gear stat and set bonnuses in the PVP zones(except weaponry): and write a script that automaticly sets up (or scale )the stats for every class for a reasonable % its not hard just simply look at your stat sheet and tweek them test it out wich class and their stats how shoudl be balanced yet not over powered. it is not hard. And with this method the issue with PVP is sloved forever, Yet PVE will be uneffected including the PVE skills. duels are not included in this system thats just dosent matter, who is over powered and who is not. Feel Free @ZOS to contact me in this matter. i woudl gladly even help the testing phase.
Becasue teh constant Nerfs becasue of the PVP is cannot stands anymore while also PVE is effected as well and not in the good way.

Reverse The Shiled nerf ASAP.

No is not an option anymore. WE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS!

PS: Trolls are not allowed here.

I think that shields in non-CP PVP are not getting nerfed, as my current shields is about 50% of my HP anyway,
also shields get resistance now but they also can be crit. Just transmute small pieces to impen trait and your sorc will be very close to the pre-nerf state.

CP-PVP is broken, sorcs under-performed there in the high damage - high sustain meta pulled out by stam builds. And sorcs will be even worse there post nerf as stamina builds got a slight DPS buff, while sorcs shields got a slight nerfed - but seriously stop playing CP-PVP, it is very unbalanced.

And PVE shield nerf is real, and it is not PVP focused. Game designers specifically nerfed PVE shields as they were too big and sorcs could skip lots of mechanics.

they only so called skip mechanics when it comes from pug related issues when you have no other chance to do so. And saying the shiled nerf is not pvp related is a lie. streamers are shouting for teh nerfs and even in Cyrodiil tons of players are complaining on teh Zone chat that sorc shields should be gone for ever and they SAY they keep posting nerf suggestions for teh soreceres, and tehy Said this openly, im not made this sheet up trust me. I am not that kind of person. Im just worried becasue i dont want my favourite class to become utterly usless. And shield nerfs are hurting sorcerers much too.

BretonMage · October 2018

Sergykid wrote: »

u know u have 3 other ways to heal.

pet, surge, and conversion, which will be more convenient if it becomes instant cast. Shield now need to be used tactically, just like it should have been for a long time, enough of magsorc facerolling bullshift

You can't heal if you're dead.

Nerfed shields will just mean lots of one-shots for us.

mattaeus01b16_ESO · October 2018

Nerf it all, NERF EVERYTHING!!!
Give everyone 1 set of cloths to wear, and a choice between a rock and a stick...

THEN NERF THE STICK!!!

firedrgn · October 2018

I changed my build already .. had to sacrifice some dps for survivability. A little dps help from zos wpuld be nice and the sustain they said.

TheValar85 · October 2018

firedrgn wrote: »

I changed my build already .. had to sacrifice some dps for survivability. A little dps help from zos wpuld be nice and the sustain they said.

Yeah we have to keep dreaming about that.

All we have to do is to force ZOS to reverse every nerf wich is related to the sorceres in teh next pathc, and Buff them NOW! giving them an ultimate saying no is not an option will be not enough, but how about a huge amount of forum threads? well that coulld work and tehy cant say they didnt read it they cant say they didnt know it, becaouse it is already on the forum gaes ago now. So they can't ignore that. Becaouse of the number of posts and aggreements on to reverese the nerfs completly and also buffing teh sorcerers are already in demands on teh forum threads.

carlos424 · October 2018

Sergykid wrote: »

u know u have 3 other ways to heal.

pet, surge, and conversion, which will be more convenient if it becomes instant cast. Shield now need to be used tactically, just like it should have been for a long time, enough of magsorc facerolling bullshift

Great, will be able to heal but have no dps. Have to double bar the pet, have to do crit damage for crit surge, and hopefully have some stamina left for conversion. And all that really doesnt matter with no resistances from light armor. Switch to heavy armor? Dps goes to nothing because lose all light armor passives.
The issue is not that there are some changes, there always are. But why making it so that you basically have to change the whole build and playstyle? Are sorcs that OP? Lol. No. Which is why this is so perplexing.
And one more thing, do you really want to see a hundred twilights flapping all over the place? Lol. Me neither.

Rowjoh · October 2018

buff the Bow skill line for Christs sake.

OMG Bow doesn't even have its own 'adds 400 weapon damage' 5th bonus set lol, while every other weapon does.

TheValar85 · October 2018

Rowjoh wrote: »

buff the Bow skill line for Christs sake.

OMG Bow doesn't even have its own 'adds 400 weapon damage' 5th bonus set lol, while every other weapon does.

You missed the Thread mate.

Nemeliom · October 2018

TheValar85 wrote: »

So my adivce is to suck it up. and move foward.

A very wise man said this. Follow his advice.

TheValar85 · October 2018

Nemeliom wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

So my adivce is to suck it up. and move foward.

A very wise man said this. Follow his advice.

that s just so low to only quote one sentence while clearly all of you ignoring the sirus issues that i have just adressed above.

As i said trolling is not allowed here so leav my thread because that sentence was meant for other resons perhaps you should read the whole post instead of just pick out one line and keep reapiting it. thats pity and low. it seems thats the only thing you can do and thats why the game is in this current state. Shameful.

usmguy1234 · October 2018

Rowjoh wrote: »

buff the Bow skill line for Christs sake.

OMG Bow doesn't even have its own 'adds 400 weapon damage' 5th bonus set lol, while every other weapon does.

I guess you've never seen marksman? The percent damage is much stronger than a flat weapon damage boost.

sevomd69 · October 2018

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

Nerf it all, NERF EVERYTHING!!!
Give everyone 1 set of cloths to wear, and a choice between a rock and a stick...

THEN NERF THE STICK!!!

Then use the rock...problem solved...

THE_BIG_BOSS · October 2018

Biste deutscher?

TheValar85 · October 2018

THE_BIG_BOSS wrote: »

Biste deutscher?

Is that You Angry Bird Big Boss? :P Gm of the Jedi Academy?

THE_BIG_BOSS · October 2018

LFM BOSS