Reaping Mark (Mark Target morph), how do you feel?

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

This is the 4th skill on my list that I need help discussing, is this skill useful over Piercing Mark? or is it a miss? do you use it? Remember, if this skill is seen positively i will not include it in my list as i want the community's feedback.

EDIT: A link to my reasoning for this along with a list of the considered worst skills. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/441519/the-list-of-the-worst-skills-compiled-by-eso-nightingale-and-my-intentions/p1?new=1

olsborg · October 2018

This skill is not fine, (please state why)

Id wish they reworked the entire base skill to something else entirely. No ideas atm

ArchMikem · October 2018

I don't know how to answer that. I never use it cause I view Piercing Mark as the "Anti-Nightblade" ability whenever I go into Cyrodiil. In PvE Surprise Attack already applies Major Fracture so I don't use it there.

I have no reason to use either morph in PvE and I only have one reason to use the Piercing morph over the other in PvP.

Girl_Number8 · October 2018

>Remember, if this skill is seen positively i will not include it in my list as i want the community's feedback.<

What list? What exactly does that mean, please clarify?

phaneub17_ESO · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

PvE only, its great for solo play against stronger targets in a Public Dungeon or a World Boss, because it applies the debuff without aggroing the target you can get a preemptive strike beforehand combined with Focused Aim opener from stealth, you get both Minor and Major Fracture applied at the start. Using it on a weaker target lets you gain Major Berserk right away combined with Lesser Berserk from Grim Focus for a high damage output on your next couple of attacks.

ArchMikem · October 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

>Remember, if this skill is seen positively i will not include it in my list as i want the community's feedback.<

What list? What exactly does that mean, please clarify?

I'm assuming it's a list of skills to stay away from? Or maybe the OP is going to create a "buff these skills" thread hoping the devs would pay attention.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2018

@ESO_Nightingale you really ought to put a link to or at least the description of the skill in your op for your feedback threads

Silver_Strider · October 2018

This skill is not fine, (please state why)

The problem with Reaper's Mark was that it was infinitely inferior in comparison to Piercing Mark. Granted, with the latter now being nerfed come Murkmire, it's put the entire skill on the cutting board since now neither morph is really useful enough to bother slotting it at all. If I want a 5 second reveal, I'm much better off using Mage Light or Revealing Flare because they have much more benefit to them than either Piercing Mark or Reaper's Mark in most situations now.

To put it bluntly, the problem Mark has is how you get the buff. Having to kill a target isn't by itself difficult, it's just that it has very limited situations in which it would be beneficial to do so. If a boss has no adds, the skill is essentially dead on your hotbar, taking up valuable bar for no benefit. Fracture and Breech are already provided by the Tank and Healer that it's base functionality is worthless in group content and in solo content, Surprise Attack or E-Drain work so much better for those debuffs anyway. The bigger heal is also largely unnecessary because our main spammable is a HoT and there are healers in groups. The only thing of value is the Major Berserk but because it requires a kill to even trigger, it's incredibly difficult to time it in a boss fight that does have adds to make the most of it but outside those situations, it's a dead skill for the majority of the fight. It's got some niche uses in IC and MA but outside of that, it's borderline useless.

I say rework Mark entirely, morphs and all. Make it a Minor Lifesteal effect baseline. Have 1 morph add Minor Magickasteal and the other morph provide MINOR Fracture/Breech. Instantly this skill goes from being borderline useless a great utility skill. It loses its PvP usage but Murkmire is already nerfing it to near irrelevance anyways so I'd rather ZOS just ripe off the band-aid instead, taking away the effect entirely and giving us something useful to work with instead.

RavenSworn · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Silver_Strider wrote: »

The problem with Reaper's Mark was that it was infinitely inferior in comparison to Piercing Mark. Granted, with the latter now being nerfed come Murkmire, it's put the entire skill on the cutting board since now neither morph is really useful enough to bother slotting it at all. If I want a 5 second reveal, I'm much better off using Mage Light or Revealing Flare because they have much more benefit to them than either Piercing Mark or Reaper's Mark in most situations now.

To put it bluntly, the problem Mark has is how you get the buff. Having to kill a target isn't by itself difficult, it's just that it has very limited situations in which it would be beneficial to do so. If a boss has no adds, the skill is essentially dead on your hotbar, taking up valuable bar for no benefit. Fracture and Breech are already provided by the Tank and Healer that it's base functionality is worthless in group content and in solo content, Surprise Attack or E-Drain work so much better for those debuffs anyway. The bigger heal is also largely unnecessary because our main spammable is a HoT and there are healers in groups. The only thing of value is the Major Berserk but because it requires a kill to even trigger, it's incredibly difficult to time it in a boss fight that does have adds to make the most of it but outside those situations, it's a dead skill for the majority of the fight. It's got some niche uses in IC and MA but outside of that, it's borderline useless.

I say rework Mark entirely, morphs and all. Make it a Minor Lifesteal effect baseline. Have 1 morph add Minor Magickasteal and the other morph provide MINOR Fracture/Breech. Instantly this skill goes from being borderline useless a great utility skill. It loses its PvP usage but Murkmire is already nerfing it to near irrelevance anyways so I'd rather ZOS just ripe off the band-aid instead, taking away the effect entirely and giving us something useful to work with instead.

i have to agree with this. even on a magicka based, frost staff nb tank (while its not going to be meta, it is viable) having to slot two abilities just to get what pierce armor does on one is simply bad. either rework inner fire to include breach and fracture or rework mark target to have other functionalities.

though that might be a bigger problem than it already is since both PvP and pve are balanced in tandem. id argue Reapers mark is a much better solo tool than any of the other stuff in the NB's toolkit but for it to be viable in only one aspect of the game is not gonna fly with many players imo.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Apologies to all. ill update the post with a link to a post i will make. it will explain it all

Chrysa1is · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Great skill. Always used it. Great for heal, dmg increase and reducing enemy resistance. Should stay how it is.

RaddlemanNumber7 · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Of the two morphs I would say Reapers Mark is the best by far.

Outside of PvP it is altogether better than Piercing Mark. It has a better heal. The Major Fracture is useful for archers who do not use Surprise Attack. Mobs very rarely use stealth.

Even in PvP I think Reapers Mark is going to be better now that Piercing Mark is being nerfed so bad with Mirkmire. I will be changing my PvP archers to use Reapers Mark instead of Piercing. It is essential for them to have this skill in one morph or the other to be able to solo resources, which is basically not PvP.

As for PvP anti-stealth measures, I will be trying to replace the now useless 5 second Piercing Mark with more frequent use of detect potions, tab targeting, and hoping the people I put Reapers Mark on are too dumb or distracted to realise it's not Piercing Mark and that they can still safely go into stealth.

FrancisCrawford · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

I love the skill for solo PvE. It's a perfect fit for the playstyle "Kill one or more enemies, heal up, and kill more."

The main thing wrong with it is that it takes so long to unlock. It would be most useful to the low-level characters who don't have it yet. But it's also good for my stamblade thief when he struggles into something so fraught that Vigor alone isn't enough to handle it.

randomkeyhits · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

One of my PvE favourites.

It affects how I take a fight, If there are some static enemies I'll drop their health then using mark I'll "harvest" them as needed otherwise I just drop it on an enemy before they die for a top up.

ImmortalCX · October 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

>Remember, if this skill is seen positively i will not include it in my list as i want the community's feedback.<

What list? What exactly does that mean, please clarify?

I'm assuming it's a list of skills to stay away from? Or maybe the OP is going to create a "buff these skills" thread hoping the devs would pay attention.

Is OP a ZOS employee? Or at least a class rep?

He/she makes it sound like they have more weight than the rest of us.

AcadianPaladin · October 2018

My magblade happily leaves both off her bar in favor of EleDrain.

My bowbow stamblade uses Piercing but, since she knows what EleDrain can do for a magblade, she is not happy. One target? Kill the target before getting a heal? I'm almost happy to see a nerf on this skill and its morphs since it will make dropping it an easier choice.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

ImmortalCX wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

>Remember, if this skill is seen positively i will not include it in my list as i want the community's feedback.<

What list? What exactly does that mean, please clarify?

I'm assuming it's a list of skills to stay away from? Or maybe the OP is going to create a "buff these skills" thread hoping the devs would pay attention.

Is OP a ZOS employee? Or at least a class rep?

He/she makes it sound like they have more weight than the rest of us.

no im just going to give it to the reps after im done.

GreenHere · October 2018

ImmortalCX wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

>Remember, if this skill is seen positively i will not include it in my list as i want the community's feedback.<

What list? What exactly does that mean, please clarify?

I'm assuming it's a list of skills to stay away from? Or maybe the OP is going to create a "buff these skills" thread hoping the devs would pay attention.

Is OP a ZOS employee? Or at least a class rep?

He/she makes it sound like they have more weight than the rest of us.

I see nothing wrong with a well-meaning community member trying to ask us what our opinions are on various skills, no matter who they are.

Actually, just the opposite. I like what the OP is doing. They're asking if a skill/morph is useful and trying to gain insight into how it fits into the game. Most on the forums just declare things useless when there's any other skill that does 4% more dps, or is better for their build, or some other (usually close minded) reason.

I hope these discussion lead to some productive discourse about various skills. Leaving it all up to ZOS without much input from the community on these sort of topics does not seem to be working out all that well for us.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

GreenHere wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

>Remember, if this skill is seen positively i will not include it in my list as i want the community's feedback.<

What list? What exactly does that mean, please clarify?

I'm assuming it's a list of skills to stay away from? Or maybe the OP is going to create a "buff these skills" thread hoping the devs would pay attention.

Is OP a ZOS employee? Or at least a class rep?

He/she makes it sound like they have more weight than the rest of us.

I see nothing wrong with a well-meaning community member trying to ask us what our opinions are on various skills, no matter who they are.

Actually, just the opposite. I like what the OP is doing. They're asking if a skill/morph is useful and trying to gain insight into how it fits into the game. Most on the forums just declare things useless when there's any other skill that does 4% more dps, or is better for their build, or some other (usually close minded) reason.

I hope these discussion lead to some productive discourse about various skills. Leaving it all up to ZOS without much input from the community on these sort of topics does not seem to be working out all that well for us.

Thanks @GreenHere i am trying to gain community feedback and i have already removed 2 of my initial skills that were on the list due to community perceptions. I think that people think that i am just going to give that list to the reps to pass to ZOS without explaining any reasoning for why that skill underperforms or is bad etc. People on here just assume the worst of people and that sucks.

GreenHere · October 2018

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GreenHere wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

>Remember, if this skill is seen positively i will not include it in my list as i want the community's feedback.<

What list? What exactly does that mean, please clarify?

I'm assuming it's a list of skills to stay away from? Or maybe the OP is going to create a "buff these skills" thread hoping the devs would pay attention.

Is OP a ZOS employee? Or at least a class rep?

He/she makes it sound like they have more weight than the rest of us.

I see nothing wrong with a well-meaning community member trying to ask us what our opinions are on various skills, no matter who they are.

Actually, just the opposite. I like what the OP is doing. They're asking if a skill/morph is useful and trying to gain insight into how it fits into the game. Most on the forums just declare things useless when there's any other skill that does 4% more dps, or is better for their build, or some other (usually close minded) reason.

I hope these discussion lead to some productive discourse about various skills. Leaving it all up to ZOS without much input from the community on these sort of topics does not seem to be working out all that well for us.

Thanks @GreenHere i am trying to gain community feedback and i have already removed 2 of my initial skills that were on the list due to community perceptions. I think that people think that i am just going to give that list to the reps to pass to ZOS without explaining any reasoning for why that skill underperforms or is bad etc. People on here just assume the worst of people and that sucks.

As I've said before, I like what you're trying to do with these polls; and I respect you more for gathering community feedback before simply writing skills off like so many others seem to be willing to do. It's simply impossible to consider every way a skill can be used/useful as just one person. I think it's pretty cool that you get that -- it seems to be rare around here.

On the other hand, though, now is a touchy time to be discussing skill adjustment (especially nerfs!) in the looming shadow of Nerfmire. The community is having nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread thrown at them lately. Like it or not, your polls are getting viewed through that filter because of what's been going on in the forums. Discussing abilities and whatnot is a healthy thing for a game, but it's a tough time to be getting unslanted opinions, unfortunately.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

GreenHere wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GreenHere wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

>Remember, if this skill is seen positively i will not include it in my list as i want the community's feedback.<

What list? What exactly does that mean, please clarify?

I'm assuming it's a list of skills to stay away from? Or maybe the OP is going to create a "buff these skills" thread hoping the devs would pay attention.

Is OP a ZOS employee? Or at least a class rep?

He/she makes it sound like they have more weight than the rest of us.

I see nothing wrong with a well-meaning community member trying to ask us what our opinions are on various skills, no matter who they are.

Actually, just the opposite. I like what the OP is doing. They're asking if a skill/morph is useful and trying to gain insight into how it fits into the game. Most on the forums just declare things useless when there's any other skill that does 4% more dps, or is better for their build, or some other (usually close minded) reason.

I hope these discussion lead to some productive discourse about various skills. Leaving it all up to ZOS without much input from the community on these sort of topics does not seem to be working out all that well for us.

Thanks @GreenHere i am trying to gain community feedback and i have already removed 2 of my initial skills that were on the list due to community perceptions. I think that people think that i am just going to give that list to the reps to pass to ZOS without explaining any reasoning for why that skill underperforms or is bad etc. People on here just assume the worst of people and that sucks.

As I've said before, I like what you're trying to do with these polls; and I respect you more for gathering community feedback before simply writing skills off like so many others seem to be willing to do. It's simply impossible to consider every way a skill can be used/useful as just one person. I think it's pretty cool that you get that -- it seems to be rare around here.

On the other hand, though, now is a touchy time to be discussing skill adjustment (especially nerfs!) in the looming shadow of Nerfmire. The community is having nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread after nerf thread thrown at them lately. Like it or not, your polls are getting viewed through that filter because of what's been going on in the forums. Discussing abilities and whatnot is a healthy thing for a game, but it's a tough time to be getting unslanted opinions, unfortunately.

I agree. It really is a rough time for this kind of discussion and i know what it is like to have your class nerfed. I felt anger too! As my main is a magden. I just think its time to do all we can to tell the developers what is wrong. As a future developer (lol in my dreams) i certainly will be keeping an eye out for any community feedback because i know what it's like to feel ignored and i dont want to subject fans to that.

Starlock · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Only morph that is worth taking if you don’t PvP. Game needs to get rid of skills that are uselss if not in PvP.

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