Are Magdens PvE weak?

MagicalLija · October 2018

WildRaptorX · October 2018

No

Can’t confirm but I have a level 30 magden argonian healer. Even at level 30 they can take a hit and do some nice aoe damage with the destro staff and winters embrace skill and swarm.

PhantomOcelot · October 2018

No

Weakest class in the game when it comes to dps. But it doesn't mean that you can't complete content with them. Its just gonna be harder. Not to do the actual content but to find people who would agree to go with a magden. You can do good dps on a magden but most people think its not good enough. All other classes can do better. And yes mag wardens desperately need some good buffs.

LeHarrt91 · October 2018

No

Depends. are you talking Tank, Healer or DPS. Tank and Healer they are really good. DPS is not as OP as a NB but its within range of other classes.

Nicko_Lps · October 2018

No

According to that youtuber girl that perfectly nails dps parses with magdens, no.

Now in pvp yeah, cant say they are the best since they have no stun and magdens somehow refuse to use reach as stun.

MinarasLaure · October 2018

No

They're fine as healers and tanks.
They're also almost fine as dps, but rotation is clunky af and there is not much space for mistakes.

ccfeeling · October 2018

No

#2 Tank
#2 Healer
#2 DPS

cpuScientist · October 2018

Yes

ccfeeling wrote: »

#2 Tank
#2 Healer
#2 DPS

#2 as in poopoo maybe. Question is for Magicka Warden. StamDen is a top DPS now that it can sustain. Magicka Warden is still bottom of the mag heap just slightly lower than MagSorcs and lower than all else. Not by as much as they used to be. But they are the lowest DPS period. But unless you're going for some kind of leaderboard top score. They are good enough.

Now are they weak? Well they are the weakest but not quite actually weak. And they help in AOE.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Yes

ccfeeling wrote: »

#2 Tank
#2 Healer
#2 DPS

Tank and healer yes. But magden as a dps? Dead last.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Yes

For many of you the question is are they weak? The answer is yes because it is the worst compared to the other dps its not about the fact that they are close to other dps numbers. Its just that they are weak when compared to them.

Nicko_Lps · October 2018

No

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

#2 Tank
#2 Healer
#2 DPS

Tank and healer yes. But magden as a dps? Dead last.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ZrF6282tJGZboWa2IwCHg/videos

She is the class representative if im not mistaken, and pretty damn good on magdens. I suggest you spend some time on her guides.

Now in PvP yeah magden needs some help, but not an overtune to match its stam sibling

cpuScientist · October 2018

Yes

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

#2 Tank
#2 Healer
#2 DPS

Tank and healer yes. But magden as a dps? Dead last.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ZrF6282tJGZboWa2IwCHg/videos

She is the class representative if im not mistaken, and pretty damn good on magdens. I suggest you spend some time on her guides.

Now in PvP yeah magden needs some help, but not an overtune to match its stam sibling

Yeah she's neato on magDen.. what's your point? It's still the lowest. She's just worst on magSorc. Both of those are hurting bad. Have her practice on magBlade magDK magPlar and she'd be alot higher than 58k. Shoot if she practiced magSorc like she does magDen she'd be higher there too.

Again is it "weak" no but is it weaker Yes! It's the weakest DPS that doesn't bring anything to the team that a magDen healer couldn't. And up till just now they were horrid sustain wise.

And they nerfed the bear and the bear is still their best ultimate but by less now. So subtract 1-2k to use destroy ultimate which in certain pulls is preferred. But even with the bear they nerfed it so they fell lower.

Had they left the bear as it was in wolf Hunter damage wise. And helped their sustain. MagDen would be in a GREAT spot. But alas they took damage from the bear but didn't inject it anywhere else.

So yes a magDen is not weak it's not that far behind but it alas is still behind with nothing truly useful to bring to a group dps wise. So magDen is weak and will not be brought for speed runs and will be turned away by some prissy little trial leaders.

MLGProPlayer · October 2018

Yes

Yes. It's the weakest DPS class by a country mile.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has never used a magicka warden in endgame content (or ever).

Sparr0w · October 2018

No

PvE they're not weak, far from. Survivability is great, bear can aggro. Tanking is second to only DK, healing is arguably second to Templar but some put wardens top spot. DPS is lower than other classes, probably joint bottom with sorcs, can still do enough DPS to clear any content tho, between 45-48k solo from what I've seen.

MLGProPlayer · October 2018

Yes

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

#2 Tank
#2 Healer
#2 DPS

Tank and healer yes. But magden as a dps? Dead last.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ZrF6282tJGZboWa2IwCHg/videos

She is the class representative if im not mistaken, and pretty damn good on magdens. I suggest you spend some time on her guides.

Now in PvP yeah magden needs some help, but not an overtune to match its stam sibling

Keep in mind that is with the bear, which will always lose DPS in actual content.

The build also isn't using Master Architect which means that magden build has exactly zero group utility, while delivering mediocre DPS only.

Sparr0w · October 2018

No

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

#2 Tank
#2 Healer
#2 DPS

Tank and healer yes. But magden as a dps? Dead last.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ZrF6282tJGZboWa2IwCHg/videos

She is the class representative if im not mistaken, and pretty damn good on magdens. I suggest you spend some time on her guides.

Now in PvP yeah magden needs some help, but not an overtune to match its stam sibling

Keep in mind that is with the bear, which will always lose DPS in actual content.

The build also isn't using Master Architect which means that magden build has exactly zero group utility, while delivering mediocre DPS only.

Every single magblade in every top end trial is providing exactly 0 group utility also

MLGProPlayer · October 2018

Yes

Sparr0w wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

#2 Tank
#2 Healer
#2 DPS

Tank and healer yes. But magden as a dps? Dead last.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ZrF6282tJGZboWa2IwCHg/videos

She is the class representative if im not mistaken, and pretty damn good on magdens. I suggest you spend some time on her guides.

Now in PvP yeah magden needs some help, but not an overtune to match its stam sibling

Keep in mind that is with the bear, which will always lose DPS in actual content.

The build also isn't using Master Architect which means that magden build has exactly zero group utility, while delivering mediocre DPS only.

Every single magblade in every top end trial is providing exactly 0 group utility also

They provide off-heals in addition to the very best DPS in the game. They also have nearly unlimited self-sustain so they require little babysitting from supports.

DPS magdens don't provide any group heals, buffs, or debuffs while producing the lowest DPS of any class.

MLGProPlayer · October 2018

Yes

MinarasLaure wrote: »

They're fine as healers and tanks.
They're also almost fine as dps, but rotation is clunky af and there is not much space for mistakes.

They need A LOT of help as DPS. They have the most difficult rotation in the game. (along with magblade). But with magblade, there is a payoff to that difficulty: they have the highest DPS. With magden, you're putting in the most effort of any class to get the lowest DPS.

Sparr0w · October 2018

No

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

#2 Tank
#2 Healer
#2 DPS

Tank and healer yes. But magden as a dps? Dead last.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ZrF6282tJGZboWa2IwCHg/videos

She is the class representative if im not mistaken, and pretty damn good on magdens. I suggest you spend some time on her guides.

Now in PvP yeah magden needs some help, but not an overtune to match its stam sibling

Keep in mind that is with the bear, which will always lose DPS in actual content.

The build also isn't using Master Architect which means that magden build has exactly zero group utility, while delivering mediocre DPS only.

Every single magblade in every top end trial is providing exactly 0 group utility also

They provide off-heals in addition to the very best DPS in the game. They also have nearly unlimited self-sustain so they require little babysitting from supports.

DPS magdens don't provide any group heals, buffs, or debuffs while producing the lowest DPS of any class.

Every top end magblade runs elemental weapon and twisting path. Sustain isn't that much better than a magden.

Sparr0w · October 2018

No

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

MinarasLaure wrote: »

They're fine as healers and tanks.
They're also almost fine as dps, but rotation is clunky af and there is not much space for mistakes.

They need A LOT of help as DPS. They have the most difficult rotation in the game. (along with magblade). But with magblade, there is a payoff to that difficulty: they have the highest DPS. With magden, you're putting in the most effort of any class to get the lowest DPS.

I'll agree with this one, I'd put them on par with sorcs, only for the fact sorcs have rubbish sustain.

FrancisCrawford · October 2018

So what does a magden load-out look like.

Strictly hypothetically, I'd think that in 24 seconds a magden would want to cast roughly:

8x Shalks
3x Blockade
2x Arctic Wind
1x Netch
1x ultimate (if bear, otherwise perhaps less)
Defensive/heal skills as needed

Does either Fetcher morph make the list (especially with the cost increase)?
Is there room for spammables in there?

MLGProPlayer · October 2018

Yes

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

So what does a magden load-out look like.

Strictly hypothetically, I'd think that in 24 seconds a magden would want to cast roughly:
8x Shalks

3x Blockade

2x Arctic Wind

1x Netch

1x ultimate (if bear, otherwise perhaps less)

Defensive/heal skills as needed

Does either Fetcher morph make the list (especially with the cost increase)?
Is there room for spammables in there?

You definitely need a spammable and there is still a need for Fetcher as well. Clifd racer is your best spammable in Murkmire.

kylewwefan · October 2018

No

People just don’t know what they’re doing with them is all.

MagicalLija · October 2018

kylewwefan wrote: »

People just don’t know what they’re doing with them is all.

so what are we supposed to be doing?

kylewwefan · October 2018

No

AOE DOT, AOE DOT, DOT that sticks to mob, Hard Hitting Delayed Skill, Spammable, Buff, Ult.

Add a different dot here and there and that pretty much sums up all magic classes. You can use class skills, weapon skills or some homogenized skills but very simplistic effective rotations can be used on all toons.

I have to keep my button smashing very similar patterns if not exact same because I play everything. It’s an effective class. Strong. You should play it’s strength in simplicity.

MLGProPlayer · October 2018

Yes

kylewwefan wrote: »

People just don’t know what they’re doing with them is all.

There are less than 4% wardens on leader boards, and I'd venture a guess that magden DPS comprises less than 1% (most likely 0 on most trials). There is a reason for that.

They have the lowest DPS of any class, rely on a pet for a large chunk of their DPS, have one of the most complex rotations, and have 0 group utility in a DPS spec.

Ramber · October 2018

Yes

They are really fine, just the weakest mag dps build that's all and not by much. Great healers and tanks so that more then makes up for it... but its fine... it does plenty of damage. Just get use to the rotation and the mechanics of what you are doing. i mean let this go guys

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2018

No

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

So what does a magden load-out look like.

Strictly hypothetically, I'd think that in 24 seconds a magden would want to cast roughly:
8x Shalks

3x Blockade

2x Arctic Wind

1x Netch

1x ultimate (if bear, otherwise perhaps less)

Defensive/heal skills as needed

Does either Fetcher morph make the list (especially with the cost increase)?
Is there room for spammables in there?

Artic wind? You mean winter's revenge?

Lifemocker · October 2018

No

Weak? No.
Could they be a bit better? Sure.
Just because another class is top dps doesn't mean that everything else is weak. If you run for first spot for leaderboards then yea there is "the one and only" setup, but that's entirely a different case.

LeHarrt91 · October 2018

No

Yes they are the lowest dps, but someone has to be. They are the 2nd best tanks and healers, which cannot be said for NBs and sorcs. But for me their main issue is, as has been said above, as a DPS they dont offer the group anything useful, whether it be off heals, a synergy, a group buff, increased damage of a specific element.
Yes they can provide Master Architect uptime but so can a NB and Templar technically, and they have better dps.
As a Magicka Warden DPS it would be nice if they offered something to the group, this and some minor tweaks to skills and passives will help them a lot.

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