A new source for Dawn-Prisms?

Matthew_Galvanus · October 2018

the Dawn-Prism (the trait necessary for Triune) is arguably one of the most expensive trait items due to the sheer rarity of the item due to the fact one of the only known means of collecting it are by dropping 100k ap from a war researcher in cyrodiil, that may not be an issue for some who can amass 100k easily, but for those like myself who don't play Battlegrounds or take part in the alliance war, this leaves me in a predicament where i have to drop a lot of money for one dawn-prism and that becomes a major hassle when i need a more consistent supply of them for master writs, or when i crafting a piece for personal use.

Is it at all possible to give us another more reliable means of collecting Dawn-Prisms (or the dust variety that requires 10 to make one prism) that doesn't involve PvP? Contrary to how you like to balance classes, not everyone likes to play PvP. I, myself absolutely dislike PvP because i find no joy in it due to the forced cookie-cutter builds and tactics you have to employ or get steamrolled.

usmguy1234 · October 2018

Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »

the Dawn-Prism (the trait necessary for Triune) is arguably one of the most expensive trait items due to the sheer rarity of the item due to the fact one of the only known means of collecting it are by dropping 100k ap from a war researcher in cyrodiil, that may not be an issue for some who can amass 100k easily, but for those like myself who don't play Battlegrounds or take part in the alliance war, this leaves me in a predicament where i have to drop a lot of money for one dawn-prism and that becomes a major hassle when i need a more consistent supply of them for master writs, or when i crafting a piece for personal use.

Is it at all possible to give us another more reliable means of collecting Dawn-Prisms (or the dust variety that requires 10 to make one prism) that doesn't involve PvP? Contrary to how you like to balance classes, not everyone likes to play PvP. I, myself absolutely dislike PvP because i find no joy in it due to the forced cookie-cutter builds and tactics you have to employ or get steamrolled.

No, this is one of the best sources for pvp only players to get gold. Leave as is.

Royaji · October 2018

ZOS wants you to play all parts of their game and not cherry pick your content. That's the whole idea. Don't want to PvP? Farm some gold and buy it.

And Dawn-Prism is actually not the most expensive jewelry trait material, this spot belongs to Gilding Wax. Which you can only get from PvE. It is also limited by daily writs unlike AP which can be farmed 24/7.

xshatox · October 2018

I think its fine as it is.
When in cyrods we dont get much gold but lots of AP.
This is one of our source of income. That and also akaviri motifs.

Minno · October 2018

How many gold are players selling this for? I'm selling for 20k a pop and they fly off the shelves.

redspecter23 · October 2018

They aren't bound. An alternate source already exists. Buy it for gold from a guild trader.

Starlock · October 2018

The trait system for jewelry needs to be revamped in general. Itemization needs to be updated for all dropped sets in the game to have a chance of dropping all trait types. Making transmutation mandatory for dropped sets is not okay, and neither is the rarity of trait stones. And let's not even start on the bedamned grains to platings nonsense.

But this probably won't happen. Which is why jewelry crafting will basically suck forever.

usmguy1234 · October 2018

Minno wrote: »

How many gold are players selling this for? I'm selling for 20k a pop and they fly off the shelves.

I've seen em as high as 40k but I usually sell for 20-25k.

Katahdin · October 2018

They sell for less than 15k on PC NA which is pretty cheap for 100K AP. In fact it's not worth spending the AP for them to sell as far as I'm concerned

iCaliban · October 2018

Katahdin wrote: »

They sell for less than 15k on PC NA which is pretty cheap for 100K AP. In fact it's not worth spending the AP for them to sell as far as I'm concerned

I routinely sell them at 17k.

To OP, No. This is a nice income source for players who mainly pvp. If you want them, farm the gold and buy it off those of us who have them.

starkerealm · October 2018

Royaji wrote: »

ZOS wants you to play all parts of their game and not cherry pick your content. That's the whole idea. Don't want to PvP? Farm some gold and buy it.

And Dawn-Prism is actually not the most expensive jewelry trait material, this spot belongs to Gilding Wax. Which you can only get from PvE. It is also limited by daily writs unlike AP which can be farmed 24/7.

Yeah, that leads to a question, which is worth more? 20 vouchers, or 100k AP? My money's leaning towards the AP rather than the vouchers, but I don't usually price trait items. That said, there has been a lot of demand for Swift from the PvP community, so I could believe the demand is far higher than for Triune stones.

Royaji · October 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

ZOS wants you to play all parts of their game and not cherry pick your content. That's the whole idea. Don't want to PvP? Farm some gold and buy it.

And Dawn-Prism is actually not the most expensive jewelry trait material, this spot belongs to Gilding Wax. Which you can only get from PvE. It is also limited by daily writs unlike AP which can be farmed 24/7.

Yeah, that leads to a question, which is worth more? 20 vouchers, or 100k AP? My money's leaning towards the AP rather than the vouchers, but I don't usually price trait items. That said, there has been a lot of demand for Swift from the PvP community, so I could believe the demand is far higher than for Triune stones.

I'm only judging by the final prices. Dawn-Prism can be usually (not counting spontaneous outliers) bought for 15-17k and Gilding Wax for 18-20k. All prices are PC EU.

starkerealm · October 2018

Royaji wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

ZOS wants you to play all parts of their game and not cherry pick your content. That's the whole idea. Don't want to PvP? Farm some gold and buy it.

And Dawn-Prism is actually not the most expensive jewelry trait material, this spot belongs to Gilding Wax. Which you can only get from PvE. It is also limited by daily writs unlike AP which can be farmed 24/7.

Yeah, that leads to a question, which is worth more? 20 vouchers, or 100k AP? My money's leaning towards the AP rather than the vouchers, but I don't usually price trait items. That said, there has been a lot of demand for Swift from the PvP community, so I could believe the demand is far higher than for Triune stones.

I'm only judging by the final prices. Dawn-Prism can be usually (not counting spontaneous outliers) bought for 15-17k and Gilding Wax for 18-20k. All prices are PC EU.

I'm not an expert on converting AP to gold, but, that really doesn't sound like a good RoI for AP to me... Doesn't 100k usually convert over to around 25k?

Minno · October 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

ZOS wants you to play all parts of their game and not cherry pick your content. That's the whole idea. Don't want to PvP? Farm some gold and buy it.

And Dawn-Prism is actually not the most expensive jewelry trait material, this spot belongs to Gilding Wax. Which you can only get from PvE. It is also limited by daily writs unlike AP which can be farmed 24/7.

Yeah, that leads to a question, which is worth more? 20 vouchers, or 100k AP? My money's leaning towards the AP rather than the vouchers, but I don't usually price trait items. That said, there has been a lot of demand for Swift from the PvP community, so I could believe the demand is far higher than for Triune stones.

I'm only judging by the final prices. Dawn-Prism can be usually (not counting spontaneous outliers) bought for 15-17k and Gilding Wax for 18-20k. All prices are PC EU.

I'm not an expert on converting AP to gold, but, that really doesn't sound like a good RoI for AP to me... Doesn't 100k usually convert over to around 25k?

Depends heavily on the item. No one is going to buy heartland for more than 1k per item, but motifs sell for allot more and requires more AP. But if you get trans resto staff off the vendor for 20k AP you can get over 90k easy from it (though it doesn't drop as much).

So it's entirely subjective. Dawn prism, sounds like 20-40k seems responsible for the demand/availability of the item.

Royaji · October 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

ZOS wants you to play all parts of their game and not cherry pick your content. That's the whole idea. Don't want to PvP? Farm some gold and buy it.

And Dawn-Prism is actually not the most expensive jewelry trait material, this spot belongs to Gilding Wax. Which you can only get from PvE. It is also limited by daily writs unlike AP which can be farmed 24/7.

Yeah, that leads to a question, which is worth more? 20 vouchers, or 100k AP? My money's leaning towards the AP rather than the vouchers, but I don't usually price trait items. That said, there has been a lot of demand for Swift from the PvP community, so I could believe the demand is far higher than for Triune stones.

I'm only judging by the final prices. Dawn-Prism can be usually (not counting spontaneous outliers) bought for 15-17k and Gilding Wax for 18-20k. All prices are PC EU.

I'm not an expert on converting AP to gold, but, that really doesn't sound like a good RoI for AP to me... Doesn't 100k usually convert over to around 25k?

AP to gold conversion was not so good for quite a while. Even Akaviri motifs usually go for 15-30k which is less than even 1 to 5 ratio.

Elong · October 2018

I don't want to pve, let me get the other traits in pvp please

_Salty_ · October 2018

No. Keep it as it is.

Revokus · October 2018

Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »

the Dawn-Prism (the trait necessary for Triune) is arguably one of the most expensive trait items due to the sheer rarity of the item due to the fact one of the only known means of collecting it are by dropping 100k ap from a war researcher in cyrodiil, that may not be an issue for some who can amass 100k easily, but for those like myself who don't play Battlegrounds or take part in the alliance war, this leaves me in a predicament where i have to drop a lot of money for one dawn-prism and that becomes a major hassle when i need a more consistent supply of them for master writs, or when i crafting a piece for personal use.

Is it at all possible to give us another more reliable means of collecting Dawn-Prisms (or the dust variety that requires 10 to make one prism) that doesn't involve PvP? Contrary to how you like to balance classes, not everyone likes to play PvP. I, myself absolutely dislike PvP because i find no joy in it due to the forced cookie-cutter builds and tactics you have to employ or get steamrolled.

This is mostly the only viable way for pvpers to make gold while doing what we love : PVP..Do not take this away. Pots are already expensive as is.

Donny_Vito · October 2018

Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »

the Dawn-Prism (the trait necessary for Triune) is arguably one of the most expensive trait items due to the sheer rarity of the item due to the fact one of the only known means of collecting it are by dropping 100k ap from a war researcher in cyrodiil, that may not be an issue for some who can amass 100k easily, but for those like myself who don't play Battlegrounds or take part in the alliance war, this leaves me in a predicament where i have to drop a lot of money for one dawn-prism and that becomes a major hassle when i need a more consistent supply of them for master writs, or when i crafting a piece for personal use.

Is it at all possible to give us another more reliable means of collecting Dawn-Prisms (or the dust variety that requires 10 to make one prism) that doesn't involve PvP? Contrary to how you like to balance classes, not everyone likes to play PvP. I, myself absolutely dislike PvP because i find no joy in it due to the forced cookie-cutter builds and tactics you have to employ or get steamrolled.

If you have the trait researched, then just transmute a ring to that trait and decon it for the trait gem. I have 100's of transmute gems on multiple characters, so this gives me a reason to get rid of them. Just another option.

MreeBiPolar · June 2019

Donny_Vito wrote: »

If you have the trait researched, then just transmute a ring to that trait and decon it for the trait gem. I have 100's of transmute gems on multiple characters, so this gives me a reason to get rid of them. Just another option.

Just a nitpick -- the main source of transmute gems is PvP

Frankly, the only thing about JC that needs rebalanced is writs. Hells, the, or rather, THE crafting mod even has an option to make it easier to destroy them. Telling, no?

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2019

Necromancer!!!

Seriously though, I like this topic. I’m one of the only people on XBox that converts AP to triune rings so please leave my business alone.

OgreOwner · August 2022

currently the lowest price for Dawn-Prism on the PCNA server is 40K. I have 10 jewelry writs that need them, so I am watching the TTC results daily.

wolfie1.0. · August 2022

OgreOwner wrote: »

currently the lowest price for Dawn-Prism on the PCNA server is 40K. I have 10 jewelry writs that need them, so I am watching the TTC results daily.

Thread is old.

But don't worry dawn prism will be dropping down to 25k ap next update. Which means you can run in do your tier 1 pvp and go collect a dawn prism.

FluffWit · August 2022

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

OgreOwner wrote: »

currently the lowest price for Dawn-Prism on the PCNA server is 40K. I have 10 jewelry writs that need them, so I am watching the TTC results daily.

Thread is old.

But don't worry dawn prism will be dropping down to 25k ap next update. Which means you can run in do your tier 1 pvp and go collect a dawn prism.

Yup, they also tweaked drop rates/ prices on the other jewelery trait gems.

Stop deleting your Triune jewelery writs and sell any Dawn Prism/ Aubric Amber you have guys.

wolfie1.0. · August 2022

FluffWit wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

OgreOwner wrote: »

currently the lowest price for Dawn-Prism on the PCNA server is 40K. I have 10 jewelry writs that need them, so I am watching the TTC results daily.

Thread is old.

But don't worry dawn prism will be dropping down to 25k ap next update. Which means you can run in do your tier 1 pvp and go collect a dawn prism.

Yup, they also tweaked drop rates/ prices on the other jewelery style mats.

Stop deleting your Triune jewelery writs and sell any Dawn Prism/ Aubric Amber you have guys.

Trait mats. Also they are still going to be very expensive to craft per voucher. Ones with those traits still won't be worth doing.

Maitsukas · August 2022

ZOS is lowering the price of Dawn-Prism to 25k AP with U35.

Matthew_Galvanus · August 2022

i do not know why this was necro-ed, but suffice to say it left me very confused to receive notifications on it nearly 4 years later