AFK script farmer down in Zainsipilu.

Mr_Walker · October 2018

frostz417 wrote: »

So sure it may be against TOS, but it doesn’t affect anyone’s gameplay nor does it ruin the market.

Except for anyone who grabs nodes as they come across them playing the game, or all the low levels trying to get mats to create/improve gear.

Shortsighted, and simply poor thinking.

Starlock · October 2018

frostz417 wrote: »

It’s not a fact that botters ruin the game bud. You’re just mad you can’t sell wax for absurdly high prices.

Dead wrong. I don’t give two craps about the market have never even sold wax. Come on now, I have my main reason for playing this game in my signature! Do you know what ruins the game more than anything else for someone who focuses on questing and role play?

Bots.

If I had seen this crap when I first started this game, I would have quit. I dread taking my characters to starter zones or Camlorn. I can’t stand doing the Camlorn quest AT ALL when it is overrun with bots. It totally ruins it. And if bots ruin aspects of the game for even one person - and this thread alone is proof that I am hardly the only person who has a problem with it - yea, they ruin the game when we have to deal with them.

Elsonso · October 2018

More to the point of this thread, I stopped by Zainsipilu again and there was no one camped out in the skyshard room.

Maybe the person the OP saw there has been reading this thread.

Lumenn · October 2018

Managed to pull one away in khenarthis roost coming down from the crescent temple with questionable meat. Node spawned, bot didn't move this time, small victory as I harvested it

MetalHead4x4 · October 2018

Cheating doesn't exist in ESO, its impossible. Yet somehow they can't stop even botters.

LordSkyKnight · October 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

More to the point of this thread, I stopped by Zainsipilu again and there was no one camped out in the skyshard room.

Maybe the person the OP saw there has been reading this thread.

@lordrichter

I’m going to be checking there in the middle of the night tonight if work doesn’t call for overtime.

Edit:

Scratch that. Worked called. Time to earn money tonight instead of looking for *** afk script bots.

Recremen · October 2018

@lordrichter @LordSkyKnight

Don't forget that you won't always wind up in the same instance as a specific other person. We'll never individually know the full extent of botting because for all we know there's another hundred instances spun up containing exclusively bots.

Elsonso · October 2018

Recremen wrote: »

@lordrichter @LordSkyKnight

Don't forget that you won't always wind up in the same instance as a specific other person. We'll never individually know the full extent of botting because for all we know there's another hundred instances spun up containing exclusively bots.

I am used to this. I have a few tricks up my sleeve to encourage instance diversity.

I will keep trying, though, out of curiosity, and because I forgot how much I like that delve.

LordSkyKnight · October 2018

@lordrichter

Did you go check?
I decided to go look when after I got home and settled down from work. He is sitting down here right now in the same spot.
8:19 AM PDT 10/14/18

SirAndy · October 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

More to the point of this thread, I stopped by Zainsipilu again and there was no one camped out in the skyshard room.

You could have been in a different instance ...

PS: The last time i saw a GM in-game was during the bot tsunami right after PC launch in 2014.
I haven't bothered reporting bots ever since because ZOS clearly doesn't bother doing anything about them.

Elsonso · October 2018

LordSkyKnight wrote: »

@lordrichter

Did you go check?
I decided to go look when after I got home and settled down from work. He is sitting down here right now in the same spot.
8:19 AM PDT 10/14/18

Yes, I watched him from the entrance for a bit. A lot of people were in there for the skyshard, I might add.

You are not going to be happy about it. I saw an inattentive player, but nothing that would prove there was no player there. He was using his pets to draw aggro, and was just attacking whatever took the bait. I could report him just so that ZOS could take a look, but my guess is that ZOS would not take any action.

I am not this person, but if someone kited all the monsters to him so that he had to do more than just press a few buttons while watching Netflix, or arranged his untimely death, then that would be something to watch. That would tell me whether a player was there or not.

LordSkyKnight · October 2018

Well you are entitled to your opinion but I believe you are wrong. Watch for the scripted timed ground target fire spell off to the right that attempts to hit the two cliff striders that spawn at the edge of the pool away from his location. It always lands in the same spot on a timer regardless of where the two striders are roaming at. Also watch for the timed casting of crystal frags. Also his facing appears to be on a timer as well. When you watch him change direction it's an automatic facing change to the next location. Like a quick change from point A to B. When a player changes direction you usually see the character run in a little loop as they face another direction.

Were you able to get him to respond to any messages? He didn't respond to mine. I also find it funny he is standing in the same exact spot I found him last week though....and yesterday as well.

Maybe you are right though. I do admit it is possible he is really there. I highly doubt it though.

Salvas_Aren · October 2018

Uhm, you know that there is a chance this is a human? Especially if he is there not 24/7?

Maybe some guy reading something or working on a second computer.

Maybe with the screen darkened or shut off. Hitting the E button every other minute is not that hard, you know. Same is true for hitting one attack key only.

Chicharron · October 2018

I have almost 4 years playing and i do not see how the bots could have affected my game, i can still make a lot of gold, i can still do Vet. Trials and Dungeons.

And I can also buy cheaper Alloys, Wax, Resins.

Is that the bots fault? Well... thank you very much bots!

I reported a bot train a long time ago, weeks later they were still there, was the first and last time i wasted my time reporting bots.

BWS2K · October 2018

I know some folks do that while they study and so on, as well. Best to whisper and then let your conscience be your guide - these aren't likely the Big Fish you're after anyway.

Elsonso · October 2018

LordSkyKnight wrote: »

Well you are entitled to your opinion but I believe you are wrong. Watch for the scripted timed ground target fire spell off to the right that attempts to hit the two cliff striders that spawn at the edge of the pool away from his location. It always lands in the same spot on a timer regardless of where the two striders are roaming at. Also watch for the timed casting of crystal frags. Also his facing appears to be on a timer as well. When you watch him change direction it's an automatic facing change to the next location. Like a quick change from point A to B. When a player changes direction you usually see the character run in a little loop as they face another direction.

Were you able to get him to respond to any messages? He didn't respond to mine. I also find it funny he is standing in the same exact spot I found him last week though....and yesterday as well.

Maybe you are right though. I do admit it is possible he is really there. I highly doubt it though.

He did not fire off any ground target spells to aggro mobs while I was there. He did not have to. He was within aggro range of a couple groups and they would spawn and then attack. I was there for several minutes, but it is possible I did not see his entire cycle, and it is also possible that ground attacks could have been hidden by the terrain, as viewed from the entrance.

I don't like to engage potential botters. They won't respond, but then, neither will an inattentive player. It alerts them that someone is watching.

The only way to be sure is to make him pay attention to the game. Teleport him (which GMs do), overwhelm him, or kill him. I actually don't do any of that stuff as it could be considered griefing.

Edit: I should add that ZOS apparently does take action against inattentive players, but I don't like the idea of reporting someone who is not breaking the rules, so if I can't be reasonably sure they are breaking the rules, I tend to hesitate to report them. In this case, the account is well traveled, not your typical bot account, so I hesitate.

Elsonso · October 2018

Just a comment... Back when AFK players were using pets to participate in Dark Anchors, word went around to make sure your pet did not get into any fights while hanging out at a dolmen. Apparently, earning XP while AFK and doing something else is something ZOS does take action for.

Zavijah · October 2018

The whole ‘the reason the dps you were grouped with are bad is because they are bought accounts’ is utterly stupid.

No one new to a game is going to invest extra money into something they don’t have a guarantee they’ll even like.

And the amount of times this is bandied about, you’d think it’s common practice.

No. Those people were just bad - and this comes down to the rage of guild traders and their undercut wares selling beneath their perceived value.

Elsonso · October 2018

Zavijah wrote: »

The whole ‘the reason the dps you were grouped with are bad is because they are bought accounts’ is utterly stupid.

No one new to a game is going to invest extra money into something they don’t have a guarantee they’ll even like.

And the amount of times this is bandied about, you’d think it’s common practice.

No. Those people were just bad - and this comes down to the rage of guild traders and their undercut wares selling beneath their perceived value.

I would not say "no one". I don't think it is a lot, but I can't imagine there is no market for ESO end game accounts.

Also, the person in Zainsipilu failed to show up the last couple of days. Yes, I took into account that the delve is instanced, and got into different instances. He still could be hiding in one that I was unable to get into.

Synthwavius · October 2018

frostz417 wrote: »

@stalock
@Savls_Saren
@LordSkyKnight

“Ruins the market” no they don’t ruin the market. They only do for greedy people who want to sell wax at 6k. Sorry everyone else enjoys buying wax at 3-4K, this is the most absurd complaint ever. Find something else to sell and Quit trying to rip everyone off with your over priced materials.

Could care less if someone buys a max cp account because i won’t care if they suck, I just won’t play with them. Simple solution.
Doesn’t mean squat of a max cp bought his account 2 days ago

Also you’re extremely immature to just assume I’m a bot farmer because I don’t cry about bots “ruining the market” no maybe I just don’t care for them because they don’t affect gameplay in any way. Make the market better actually for most people since they’re sick of greedy trader guild children who sit all day next to a banker playing with the guild stores instead of actually playing the game trying to rip others off for materials. It’s not a fact that botters ruin the game bud. You’re just mad you can’t sell wax for absurdly high prices.
There’s other things to sell other than matts.
Means nothing if a small minority of people who refuse to farm anything else complain about “market being ruined” because they can’t rip others off for wax, when literally everyone is happy about reduced prices.

So sure it may be against TOS, but it doesn’t affect anyone’s gameplay nor does it ruin the market. Go ahead and keep reporting them because botmasters just make new accounts every time their free trial runs out.
Also by no means am I a botmaster because personally I don’t have the time nor the money to invest in multiple xboxes and programs to pull of such a task.
I’m just not a white knight who complains about any and everything.

People who put their all legitimate time to farm mats have right to ask whatever price they like. Unlike people that run script and then get profit for 0 effort.

Jameliel · October 2018

Have lived in Asia for quite awhile now. Over the years have met many people. The standard of living in Mainland China has grown higher over the years, but it's still far below what the average American experiences. The people who bot and sell the materials do it for a living. It's part of the gaming industry economy, like it or not. Personally I enjoy the lower prices they sell materials for.

The disgusting greedy farmers in game who always try to sell everything for top price and constantly drive prices up are useless to me. They sit around farming and stacking up insane amounts of gold just to have it. Far worse than poor hapless souls trying to earn a living how they can. At least they sell their materials for reasonable in-game prices.

MartiniDaniels · October 2018

Mr_Walker wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

So sure it may be against TOS, but it doesn’t affect anyone’s gameplay nor does it ruin the market.

Except for anyone who grabs nodes as they come across them playing the game, or all the low levels trying to get mats to create/improve gear.

Shortsighted, and simply poor thinking.

I think you are a profiteer, buying all the cheap popular goods to sell them higher and rising MM prices by fake over-priced items in your own guild.

I played for 1000 hours and met bot trains outside of craglorn maybe 5-10 times.. and they were rotating in same places. So I don't see how they can affect anyone's gameplay and especially newbies.

Yeah, if not for the bots and crafter add-ons, prices will be much higher, so strangely as it sounds vast majority of the community benefits from them..

And if you think that it's not honest that somebody get advantage by using them.. then just vote to ban add-ons all together - any add-on pack gives huge advantage both in combat and exploring.

BWS2K · October 2018

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So I don't see how they can affect anyone's gameplay and especially newbies.

There are bots farming nodes in starter zones where legitimate new players are looking for them. There. It's already been said, and there's lots of other reasons listed in this thread, but maybe that helps. Now you know.

The market wouldn't go sky-high if people stopped botting, you'd just have to accept that the materials would settle at the price that the farmers set. Gold represents time. The bots are a zero-time investment, thus the prices are low. Farmers wouldn't set the prices this low, perhaps, but if it's too high then people won't buy them - making the time they'd invested worthless. This... this isn't difficult, lol

MartiniDaniels · October 2018

BWS2K wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So I don't see how they can affect anyone's gameplay and especially newbies.

There are bots farming nodes in starter zones where legitimate new players are looking for them. There. It's already been said, and there's lots of other reasons listed in this thread, but maybe that helps. Now you know.

The market wouldn't go sky-high if people stopped botting, you'd just have to accept that the materials would settle at the price that the farmers set. Gold represents time. The bots are a zero-time investment, thus the prices are low. Farmers wouldn't set the prices this low, perhaps, but if it's too high then people won't buy them - making the time they'd invested worthless. This... this isn't difficult, lol

What's use are mats for newbies in starter zones? They can't craft anything good anyway and they don't have bag space.. and if you think about writs, first writ made provides endless supply for next writ..
And what about addons which show nodes, chests etc? they rob people who don't use such addons too. Anyway, I'm not saying that bots are good, they should be banned just like in any other MMO game.

Starlock · October 2018

MartiniDaniels wrote:

What's use are mats for newbies in starter zones? They can't craft anything good anyway and they don't have bag space.

Neither of these statements are quite true, though.

When I first started playing the game, I jumped on crafting immediately. I was able to craft good things for myself and I had plenty of bag/bank space to accommodate my needs. For probably the first year, I played without ESO+ and only used gear I crafted myself (save jewelry, which I couldn't craft... and still can't because the system is garbage). I definitely made use of nodes in starter zones for this as a new player. When I got to crafting CP160 gear for myself, starter zones were my go-to places to farm for my own mats to make my own gear (or to do writs) for a long time too. With how bad bots are now, I wouldn't have been able to do this very well as a new player. That's stupid, unfair, and shouldn't be a thing.

BWS2K · October 2018

I had a really long comment but I'll just agree with Starlock, lol

Remember also that in ESO, gold = time. Someone with 100 jute has, presumably, spent time to acquire it. If that person chooses to sell the jute, the price initially should represent what they believe is reasonable compensation for that time. Bots short-circuit this by representing a zero time investment and simultaneously reducing access for legitimate players. Botters, in this sense (and especially in starter zones), are both creating the demand and providing the supply. The market without bots would absolutely stabilize just fine at a proper place but some folks don't want that.

It all strikes me as weird because paying real money for bot accounts - which is what people do - so that a person can skip in-game content and move on to... other... in-game content, at the end of which is... no real money... is like buying a book for leisure reading and then paying someone to read the first several chapters for you. *shrug*

DaveMoeDee · October 2018

Meesha1170 wrote: »

I don’t understand why they just don’t code some script that prevents you from farming the same node more than threee times in a row or something like that.

What is wrong with farming the same node three times in a row? It would be ridiculous to run to a node and not be able to interact with it due to some rule like that. That is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Elsonso · October 2018

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BWS2K wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So I don't see how they can affect anyone's gameplay and especially newbies.

There are bots farming nodes in starter zones where legitimate new players are looking for them. There. It's already been said, and there's lots of other reasons listed in this thread, but maybe that helps. Now you know.

The market wouldn't go sky-high if people stopped botting, you'd just have to accept that the materials would settle at the price that the farmers set. Gold represents time. The bots are a zero-time investment, thus the prices are low. Farmers wouldn't set the prices this low, perhaps, but if it's too high then people won't buy them - making the time they'd invested worthless. This... this isn't difficult, lol

What's use are mats for newbies in starter zones? They can't craft anything good anyway and they don't have bag space.. and if you think about writs, first writ made provides endless supply for next writ..
And what about addons which show nodes, chests etc? they rob people who don't use such addons too. Anyway, I'm not saying that bots are good, they should be banned just like in any other MMO game.

Newbies should be crafting starting day one. They should be using crafting to augment gear drops, at minimum.

MartiniDaniels · October 2018

Starlock wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote:

What's use are mats for newbies in starter zones? They can't craft anything good anyway and they don't have bag space.

Neither of these statements are quite true, though.

When I first started playing the game, I jumped on crafting immediately. I was able to craft good things for myself and I had plenty of bag/bank space to accommodate my needs. For probably the first year, I played without ESO+ and only used gear I crafted myself (save jewelry, which I couldn't craft... and still can't because the system is garbage). I definitely made use of nodes in starter zones for this as a new player. When I got to crafting CP160 gear for myself, starter zones were my go-to places to farm for my own mats to make my own gear (or to do writs) for a long time too. With how bad bots are now, I wouldn't have been able to do this very well as a new player. That's stupid, unfair, and shouldn't be a thing.

I constantly get a feeling that there are different instances of game for different type of gamers somehow determined by in-game behavior.
In my ESO I saw bot trains just several times, and as for the separate chars running between nodes/chests, I do it often by myself in places I know for good drop, so probably for others I may look like a bot;
In my ESO when I just bought it I had tiny 80-100 space in first month, 50% of which was filled with various bound rewards so I forced to run to the city every 30 mins of exploring;
In my ESO pug random vets are completed 80% of times without much drama, and somebody got kicked only if he go offline or is complete oaf;
In my ESO average random tank is 40-50k HP, not 20-30k like here on forum;
In my ESO average group DPS is 30-50k, not 80-100k like here on forum;
In my ESO 90% of people are magicka vampires with staves and awful otherworldly looks, stamina lore-friendly nicies are only newbies and tanks.

P.S. and what good thing you were able to craft when basic leveling speed outrun node levels. I started developing crafting from the beginning myself, but something more useful then random drop became available only at lvl 40.
P.P.S to call 160 CP a beginner... you are robbing real beginners as well by yourself

DaveMoeDee · October 2018

frostz417 wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

@stalock
@Savls_Saren
@LordSkyKnight

“Ruins the market” no they don’t ruin the market. They only do for greedy people who want to sell wax at 6k. Sorry everyone else enjoys buying wax at 3-4K, this is the most absurd complaint ever. Find something else to sell and Quit trying to rip everyone off with your over priced materials.

@frostz417

Whoa there skipper, you made the mistake of not going far enough in your criticism of the market economy. I mean why are you happy at 3-4k sales? This stuff should be free. After all you've already given up on currency as a signal for the subjective utility of a product, so you might as well go all in. Everything that isn't a handout is a ripoff! March on the bank in Rawl'kha and demand free real estate!

Don’t assume I’m done air headed communist because I prefer only wax to be a 3k instead of 6k. In a market where most prices tend to raise majority of the time it’s nice having at least one or two things not be constantly skyrocketed.

Here is the issue. When prices are high, it encourages people to farm to sell, providing us with inventory. When someone scripts, it drops the price making the amount of work necessary to get the same mats no longer worth it. That means the revenue moves from people playing the game to people botting. That also means the average player with hirelings gets less value from that passive activity and faces more pressure to do mind-numbingly boring farming to get more mats for the same money.

Prices don't just magically become high. It is because of supply issues. Giving all the sales to bots is not a good way to address that. People need to complain to ZOS to make drop rates higher if they don't like prices. Otherwise, prices are high because it takes a lot of work to acquire things and I'm not comfortable handing those markets over to people who don't care about TOS so long as they get theirs.

I love that earlier comment where the people who want to sell for 6k are greedy but the people who demand buying more for less are not greedy. Aren't both sides "greedy"? And "over-priced materials" won't sell because people will buy the properly priced materials instead. If all that is available is selling while supposedly over-priced, than it isn't over-priced. If the buyers consider the sellers greedy, why don't the buyers do the work needed to get mats on their own? They can also refine their own mats and hope gold tempers fall. They can farm enchanting nodes for a few hours.