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If you can’t beat ‘em...
Aurielle
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Below is a standard end-of-match screen cap of my sorc with its “OP” shield stacking and no dedicated healer:
Below, my cloak-spamming NB with no dedicated healer:
Below, my cloak-spamming NB with no dedicated healer:
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susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I got 27 0 spamming Mages Wrath on Pet SorcEdited by susmitds on October 11, 2018 9:11PM1 -
magictucktuck✭✭✭✭✭lol i was going to make a comment to show this doesn't mean anything but i guess I was beaten to the punch4 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭magictucktuck wrote: »lol i was going to make a comment to show this doesn't mean anything but i guess I was beaten to the punch
Doesn’t mean anything? So it’s cool that I can just spam cloak, wait for other people to get enemies into execute range, with no diminishing returns whatsoever, because cloak is a “defensive” ability? Meanwhile, sorcs can’t streak more than a handful of times, and shields will be nerfed to Oblivion next patch?
K.Edited by Aurielle on October 11, 2018 9:14PM6 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭magictucktuck wrote: »lol i was going to make a comment to show this doesn't mean anything but i guess I was beaten to the punch
Doesn’t mean anything? So it’s cool that I can just spam cloak, wait for other people to get enemies into execute range, with no diminishing returns whatsoever, because cloak is a “defensive” ability? Meanwhile, sorcs can’t streak more than a handful of times, and shields will be nerfed to Oblivion next patch?
K.
For all we know, you stole kills with Cloal+Impale/Spin2Win. Honestly, you are directly implying it.
And BTW Magsorc is better at it.8 -
Hateanthem✭✭✭✭magictucktuck wrote: »lol i was going to make a comment to show this doesn't mean anything but i guess I was beaten to the punch
Doesn’t mean anything? So it’s cool that I can just spam cloak, wait for other people to get enemies into execute range, with no diminishing returns whatsoever, because cloak is a “defensive” ability? Meanwhile, sorcs can’t streak more than a handful of times, and shields will be nerfed to Oblivion next patch?
K.
And yet you posted a picture that someone can use to easily say that shields needed nerfed?
Cool story btw.
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭magictucktuck wrote: »lol i was going to make a comment to show this doesn't mean anything but i guess I was beaten to the punch
Doesn’t mean anything? So it’s cool that I can just spam cloak, wait for other people to get enemies into execute range, with no diminishing returns whatsoever, because cloak is a “defensive” ability? Meanwhile, sorcs can’t streak more than a handful of times, and shields will be nerfed to Oblivion next patch?
K.
For all we know, you stole kills with Cloal+Impale/Spin2Win. Honestly, you are directly implying it.
And BTW Magsorc is better at it.
It’s a mag NB, so I stole them easily with impale and spectral bow. If anyone so much as looked at me, bam, cloak! Cloak! Cloak! Situational awareness and kiting kept me away from AOEs, so I was never pulled out of stealth.
Much easier to cherrypick kills when no one can see you.
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@Auriellemagictucktuck wrote: »lol i was going to make a comment to show this doesn't mean anything but i guess I was beaten to the punch
Doesn’t mean anything? So it’s cool that I can just spam cloak, wait for other people to get enemies into execute range, with no diminishing returns whatsoever, because cloak is a “defensive” ability? Meanwhile, sorcs can’t streak more than a handful of times, and shields will be nerfed to Oblivion next patch?
K.
You realize you showed a KD ratio with no context of two classes. I can post a KD ratio on my magicka templar of 20 some and 0.. does that show my build or if I'm in a premade against new players or give you any information at all? no lol it litterally shows at most that i outplayed everyone else in a single battleground. Nightblades are my easiest enemy as a magicka templar. so the obvious choice is to take healing out of the game right?
**edit*** i even assumed you were a stamina NB until i saw your other post lolEdited by magictucktuck on October 11, 2018 9:29PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭magictucktuck wrote: »lol i was going to make a comment to show this doesn't mean anything but i guess I was beaten to the punch
Doesn’t mean anything? So it’s cool that I can just spam cloak, wait for other people to get enemies into execute range, with no diminishing returns whatsoever, because cloak is a “defensive” ability? Meanwhile, sorcs can’t streak more than a handful of times, and shields will be nerfed to Oblivion next patch?
K.
For all we know, you stole kills with Cloal+Impale/Spin2Win. Honestly, you are directly implying it.
And BTW Magsorc is better at it.
It’s a mag NB, so I stole them easily with impale and spectral bow. If anyone so much as looked at me, bam, cloak! Cloak! Cloak! Situational awareness and kiting kept me away from AOEs, so I was never pulled out of stealth.
Much easier to cherrypick kills when no one can see you.
LOL, I hide and LOS behind my personal pet zerg and other players and spam Endless Fury on everything that moves and throw Caltrops on the area for that sweet Implosion proc. I kill steal way more than Cloak+Impale. Also good luck, cloaking from my caltrops spam.Edited by susmitds on October 11, 2018 9:26PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What's the point?
Shields were nerfed for both PVP and PVE reasons - specifically player survivability - and Cloak doesn't enable greater player survivability in PVE.
Also, you do realize that if calling for another class to be nerfed would save your sorc, DKs and Templars would be in a lot better shape, right?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »What's the point?
Shields were nerfed for both PVP and PVE reasons - specifically player survivability - and Cloak doesn't enable greater player survivability in PVE.
Also, you do realize that if calling for another class to be nerfed would save your sorc, DKs and Templars would be in a lot better shape, right?
Please note that I’m not calling for a nerf. Just generally questioning why the shield nerf is going ahead, and why people disproportionately scream about sorcs being OP.
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »What's the point?
Shields were nerfed for both PVP and PVE reasons - specifically player survivability - and Cloak doesn't enable greater player survivability in PVE.
Also, you do realize that if calling for another class to be nerfed would save your sorc, DKs and Templars would be in a lot better shape, right?
Please note that I’m not calling for a nerf. Just generally questioning why the shield nerf is going ahead, and why people disproportionately scream about sorcs being OP.
Ah. Well, my experience is more Cyrodiil than Battlegrounds.
I've never really had a lot of problems with shield-stacking sorcs, but then I play in an organized raid. Shield-stacking isn't going to save the lone sorc who doesn't get out of our way.
Anyways, the shield nerf is going ahead because ZOS decided to target survivability this time around, just like they targeted sustain in Morrowind. So magicka lost their shields and stam lost their passive dodge and speed (though some of that was a targeting issue with swift stacking on other buffs, ZOS just decided to nerf all the speed things at once).
So I dont know that there's a specific problem with sorcs shield-stacking, and I certainly wouldnt expect it to be that problematic in No CP PVP, where tanky builds are inherently limited. But I do think it got nerfed as part of ZOS' overall nerf of survivability.
Cloak's day may come, but it's not going to be this patch as far as we know.2 -
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✭✭And i threw together a stam dk build the other day and played 3 games. All were high kill/high damage games with the highest being 1.3 mil damage and i think like 30 kills 2 deaths and 15 assists.
There is a meta in battlegrounds. Proc sets, steel tornado, cloak spamming/snipe spamming nightblades, and kill stealing with mages fury. All of these things are strong. I rarely play stam dk, and havent played a dual wield stam dk since one tamriel, but was able to get more damage than i could ever hope to get on my 2h stam sorc in just a few games..Edited by eso_lags on October 11, 2018 10:46PM1 -
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Because magsorc excels at only one thing: killing potatoes. And the potatoes come to the forums to QQ.VaranisArano wrote: »What's the point?
Shields were nerfed for both PVP and PVE reasons - specifically player survivability - and Cloak doesn't enable greater player survivability in PVE.
Also, you do realize that if calling for another class to be nerfed would save your sorc, DKs and Templars would be in a lot better shape, right?
Please note that I’m not calling for a nerf. Just generally questioning why the shield nerf is going ahead, and why people disproportionately scream about sorcs being OP.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭He's saying, like everyone that's experienced in PvP, that sorc is not and hasn't been OP for years.
He's saying that players that don't know what counters are claim Shields are OP.
He's saying that most people complain about Sorcs even though it's a L2P issue.
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✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »He's saying, like everyone that's experienced in PvP, that sorc is not and hasn't been OP for years.
He's saying that players that don't know what counters are claim Shields are OP.
He's saying that most people complain about Sorcs even though it's a L2P issue.
I mean I caught on right away
Rune Cage changes were welcome.
That skill was overperforming so therefore Sorcs were. I personally don't think the shield changes were necessary after this skill was gutted.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »He's saying, like everyone that's experienced in PvP, that sorc is not and hasn't been OP for years.
He's saying that players that don't know what counters are claim Shields are OP.
He's saying that most people complain about Sorcs even though it's a L2P issue.
I mean I caught on right away
Rune Cage changes were welcome.
That skill was overperforming so therefore Sorcs were. I personally don't think the shield changes were necessary after this skill was gutted.
Ok, fair enough, the rune thing was so short lived I forget it was a thing lol.
Imo, Shields, cloak, and expedition are the non OP things (when functioning correctly) that get Nerf screams the most.2 -
magictucktuck✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »He's saying, like everyone that's experienced in PvP, that sorc is not and hasn't been OP for years.
He's saying that players that don't know what counters are claim Cloak is OP.
He's saying that most people complain about NB even though it's a L2P issue.
I mean I caught on right away
dont worry i fixed it :PEdited by magictucktuck on October 11, 2018 11:48PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭I've gotten 20+ kills on both my stamblade and my magsorc, but it's so much easier on my magsorc.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »
And I'm known as a stamblade, yet I also play as a Magsorc and a MagDK pretty often.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭magictucktuck wrote: »lol i was going to make a comment to show this doesn't mean anything but i guess I was beaten to the punch
Doesn’t mean anything? So it’s cool that I can just spam cloak, wait for other people to get enemies into execute range, with no diminishing returns whatsoever, because cloak is a “defensive” ability? Meanwhile, sorcs can’t streak more than a handful of times, and shields will be nerfed to Oblivion next patch?
K.
My StamBlade can use cloak 3 times if i time the casts just right before ive drained my magic.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭✭✭This is me, on my stam sorc, with no shields, no healer, and no cloak.
https://imgur.com/a/59cOFrl
Not sure what you're trying to say here.
I killed alot of nightblades.0
