The other day someone quit a random dungeon and they said it was because

LizziAS · October 2018

They determined that a stamage isnt allowed to be a tank. I was told to stop playing my sorcerer as a tank. I had fortified braass/death's wind/ mechanical acuity 5/5/2 on a toon under level 50.

I can't believe the nerve of people telling me how to play my toon in a game i paid to play.

drkfrontiers · October 2018

1. Were you taunting and,
2. could you hold the mob/ boss and,
3. did you know the mechanics when needing to
4. did you die

Shraar · October 2018

That's horrible and I'm sorry that happened to you. Sometimes people are just in a mood, and you happen to be the one who lands in their crosshairs. Do not take it personally.

I know you wish you could shake them and slap some sense into them (we all do!) but it's best to breathe in, then breathe out, and let it go. These things happen and it helps to talk about them to get them off your chest but in the end we just have to let it go. I know you will be okay

Androconium · October 2018

Leaving is a good choice.

LizziAS · October 2018

1 yes

2 yes

3 yes

4 only after they all did and after i had resed them several times and after they were clearlu unwilling to res anyone else so i had to do it and finally potions and magica for healing was drained

flamesing · October 2018

I've sucsessfully tanked all vet dlc's as sorc tank, so idk what they talking about. If you know how to tank, you can do it on any class.

drkfrontiers · October 2018

LizziAS wrote: »

1 yes

2 yes

3 yes

4 only after they all did and after i had resed them several times and after they were clearlu unwilling to res anyone else so i had to do it and finally potions and magica for healing was drained

You're a tank

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · October 2018

Welcome to ESO, if you are anything less than an Elitist Scum then...

notyuu · October 2018

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

Welcome to ESO, if you are anything less than an Elitist Scum then...

I know that all too well, got booted from vet cos yesterday due to being a "moron" despite the fact I was carrying the bloody group [70% of group dps dealt, only 4% of group damage taken]..if i had to guess it was due to the fact that I favored a 2H over DW [for easier buff access and faster ult gen]

so sometimes it's not eliete toxic scum..sometimes it's just people being stupid.

robpr · October 2018

I got kicked for using 2h weapon one day, because "hurr durr its pvp weapon"
Just keep calm and carry on. You don't have to wait long as a tank.

disintegr8 · October 2018

Awww, diddums. You want to play how you want, form your own groups, don't expect others to accept your decision.

LizziAS · October 2018

I started playing a tank because i got sink of the tanks who ran through the dungeon so fast, leaving the bulk of the mobs untouched and in their wake with the rest of us forced to fight through them all without the benefit of a tank helping us

and now that i play a tank, i am careful to stick fast and work on the mobs with everyone else and now the problem is that there always seems to be one damage dealer that runs through the dungeon as fast as possible, leaving the mobs in their wake for the rest of us to finish the mobs one person short while they run ahead and start on the bosses.

VaranisArano · October 2018

LizziAS wrote: »

I can't believe the nerve of people telling me how to play my toon in a game i paid to play.

I hate to say it, but, friend, you'd better get used to this if you intend to keep doing group content. Especially Vet dungeons or Trials.

The people who tell you how and what you should play may not be right, but they will certainly have the nerve to tell you what they think.

Feel free to stick to your guns, of course. Stam Sorc is fun.

XxCaLxX · October 2018

Wait. Ppl actually care what happens below level 50?

max_only · October 2018

flamesing wrote: »

I've sucsessfully tanked all vet dlc's as sorc tank, so idk what they talking about. If you know how to tank, you can do it on any class.

This.

Those other group members were just build copying newbies who don’t really understand the game.

DeadlyRecluse · October 2018

I'm not a very good PvE player, all things considered, and I've tanked all basegame vet dungeons on all classes/specs--I've healtanked most basegame vets on most magicka specs, including bubble sorc.

This game is not that difficult until the very bleeding edge of competitiveness--if someone thinks they need a DK tank and warhorn rotation to clear Fungal Grotto, that's on them for being unassembled potato salad.

FatelessLava · October 2018

It's unfortunate people do this. A guildie of mine has a friend who was given crap for being a sorc tank. When he loaded in the dungeon, one of the guys said 'sorc tank? Lol." Time came to fight Lord Warden and everyone else had died and he was the only on up and finished the boss off. Said 'yes sorc tank.' And left.

My own experience was on a DK healer. Loaded into vet spindle 2, tanks health dipped once on trash and he started complaining we had a DK healer. Now for clarification, I've healed on every class, healed vHRC and vet dlc hms with this DK healer and healed other vet trials on other healers so I know what I'm doing. My main healer is a Templar and DK healing is challenging and unique, which is why I like it.

There were close calls because dps didn't rez or tank was being a jerk (my guess trying to purposely die so he can vote to kick). No one died though (except for two on the one boss with ththe big ring).

After the dungeon I basically said "Yes DK healer. No deaths except from mechanics from that circle boss. Close calls yes, but no deaths from not healing. So you were saying? Yes I get you are wearing alkosh and need syngeries, but no need to crap on someone's class choice. As long as they KNOW how to heal.'

In which someone else in the group told me good job, I like you. And the one person who started it all said 'fook.' In which I thanked them for the group and left. He then whispered me, I was going to ignore it but he asked if he could have the monster helm.

redspecter23 · October 2018

Below 50, anyone with a taunt counts as a tank to me. If they stay alive, I count them as a competent tank. It's sub 50. It's a free win anyway. The fact that the group actually got a real tank should be all they need.

Knightpanther · October 2018

Stuff them, they are elitist *** and no one gives a flying F*** about them.
Haven't a clue what they are talking about, I've been a Sorcerer Tank since release.

Be safe.

yodased · October 2018

Couple of things.

1. When you have a tank that is "running through the mobs", maybe you should stick with them until they stop because more than likely they are bringing trash to a chokepoint or killing field, whereas it is simple to clear.

2. Communication is key. If you are passive aggressive and say, I can play how I want, that is not going to assuage fears of a snowflake tank.

There is no 'right' way to tank, but there sure are wrong ways, so if you are choosing to play a tank build that is quite effective, but unorthodox, it is your responsibility to inform your group.

If at that point you still have e-peen warriors leaving the group or giving you flack, that is on them, not you, you do your thing and move on.

If you get triggered by every single try hard that is going to give you issues for playing a non-meta tank, you may not want to be pugging on that character.

Join a dungeon guild and run with people that know and respect you.

If you are on Pc-NA, you are welcome to come join us, we won't judge you unless you are horrible and then its only to teach.

Tl;Dr: People are *** and they will create snap judgements of you immediately upon entrance. If you let that type of thing get to you, non-meta builds are going to cause you issues with pugs.

boombazookajd · October 2018

When leveling any of my toons, except my healer, I would queue as a tank. Right now leveling my NB, I slot inner fire and tank the bosses. Why?

Because the baby healer wants to run around when it gets aggro. The light attack spamming bow warden is off in the corner petting its bear. The other DD is probably spinning to win until (s)he runs out of stamina then switches to using their magicka ability.

I'm the only one stacked on the boss trying to put in a baby rotation. Rather than have the boss running all over the room, in and out of my hail, spending 10 minutes trying to kill the stupid thing; fights go much smoother for other folks as well.

That baby healer learns how to heal, the bow warden doesn't freak out and scare his bear, and the other DD gets a carry.

Everyone wins.

No one should be flaming anyone in under 50 content. Ever. If anything, when someone is on voice I will try to help them with the game. At the very least direct them where to learn more about the game. Or invite them to the social guild I am in where we offer help with starting out.

Wrathmane · October 2018

I play a sorc tank....... and I've cleared every dungeon except.. Moon Hunter Keep (I haven't tried it yet)..... with little or no difficulties.... I'm currently working on vet DLC HM finishes....

I've successfully tanked vSO and vHRC as well.

There is no issues with a Sorc Tank or healer.

Keep Tanking!

GimpyPorcupine · October 2018

Poppycock! Sorcs make great tanks.

Restraining Prison is the best trash root in the game, IMO.
Storm Atronach for Major Berserk.
Implosion damage scales off health.

ZOS_JesC · October 2018

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weedgenius · October 2018

I was running a vet pledge with my buddy the other day and our tank left at the final boss, we got a new tank in and we could see he was a Sorc. My friend messaged me like “uuuughh fake sorc tank” but then when he ran to us we could see he was s&b and I thought he did a great job tanking the last boss but my bud was still not impressed. Some people just have the preconceived notion that sorc tanks = fake tanks and they run with it no matter what.

eliisra · October 2018

LizziAS wrote: »

I started playing a tank because i got sink of the tanks who ran through the dungeon so fast, leaving the bulk of the mobs untouched and in their wake with the rest of us forced to fight through them all without the benefit of a tank helping us

and now that i play a tank, i am careful to stick fast and work on the mobs with everyone else and now the problem is that there always seems to be one damage dealer that runs through the dungeon as fast as possible, leaving the mobs in their wake for the rest of us to finish the mobs one person short while they run ahead and start on the bosses.

Some tanks(myself included when tanking) likes to pull all the mobs and group them up in a choke or similar to AoE. It's much faster than way and I'm still able to keep taunt up on hardest hitters.

Other tanks likes to take it more slowly, carefully and take on smaller packs of mobs. Some dd's can't handle a moderately slower and safer phase for some mysterious reason(hyperactivity disorder?) so they run ahead and mess things up.

I tbh don't think it matters what tactic a tank is using, as long as everyone in the group knows what it is and what's about to happen. Problem is how some tanks(in PUGs) aren't communicating at all, they just start running leaving people behind and unprepared.

Think probably because they're so used to doing a dungeon in a specific way. They assume everyone knows what that way is. Others are just suicidal or mindless.

Topic: Sorcs are more than sufficient as tanks. People are just stupid.

LizziAS · October 2018

i mean i may not have the dk thing but i am using silver leash to pull the stragglers in for the dd...

aeowulf · October 2018

Issue 1 is perception of all non DK/warden tanks - this is an issue that can't be solved easily.

Issue 2 is the skill level required to play a non DK/Warden is much higher than to play a DK or warden, whilst being less beneficial to the group. This is actually a problem that can be resolved. The tougher the class to play, the more rewarding for the group it should be. Unfortunately it's not like this in ESO when it comes to tanking.

Issue 3 class imbalance is very present in tanking. Some classes simply have all the toys as class skills and others don't. Really all class tanks should lack in one area, be it CC, sustain, mitigation or whatever - it gives the other classes a chance to be better under some circumstances. In ESO classes are balanced on how ZoS percieve the class to be - dk tank, nb dps etc. Warden is actually really well thought out in this regard.

FlyingSwan · October 2018

I was levelling my warden tank in a series of random normals a few weeks back, was maybe level 40 (but CP780) so didn't have masses of abilities, still had both taunts however, plus Heroic Sweep. Was in Willows Path and Torags with S&B on both bars.

Anyway, we hit the first boss, no issues at all, but the Healer pipes up with, "I can heal and tank if you need it". Everyone ignores him. We start clearing some trash and I use those Warden shalks to help with DPS. Healer starts telling me I should use x ability instead of y. I said, "I am levelling this toon so please bear with me, I don't have all my skills yet. But it's a normal dungeon, so you hardly need a tank anyway". He responded with, "screen-shotted and reported for grief play!"

I retorted with, "just who is griefing who here?".

No response...

I then just decided to leave the group, life's too short and all that. Then I get a rage tell from the Healer, "quitting is not an option!! Screenshotted and reported. You will be baned (sic) in 2 weeks max!!!!"

So yeah, there are some pea-brained nitwits out there. Laugh at them and move on

Sebar80 · October 2018

Smells like troll topic. I have tanks of all 5 classes and never been kicked or had people leaving because it was a sorc, nb or templar tank. Just in case you ask I do nothing less than vet and 99% time HM dungeons including DLCs on my tanks also many times in PUGs. In opposite to what you say, I often get comments after completing the run saying that people did not know tanking was even possible on sorc or never seen a sorc tank before!

Is sorc best tank, it is not.
Can it be done efficiently, yes of course.
Is it fun, yes very much!!

idk · October 2018

LizziAS wrote: »

1 yes

2 yes

3 yes

4 only after they all did and after i had resed them several times and after they were clearlu unwilling to res anyone else so i had to do it and finally potions and magica for healing was drained

I have to ask how did they die and was it on a boss?

Trash mobs you are not expected taunt every mob by design of this game though taunting the most dangerous is best like 2Handers and such. Though often via GF damage is very very low which ends up giving time to taunt everything and probably increases the need to do so.

I would suggest you join a fun guild to run with. The quality of the dungeon runs and even enjoyment of the game will increase significantly. even a dungeon run with one or two guild members is far better than a full random group. Guild members are also more patient and you might get worthy advice.