yup 100%
might as well quit

Because PVE players had too much survivability thanks to shields.

Also shield-stacking with large shields in PVP.

Why? Because the gameplay team is kind of bad at their jobs. I often feel sorry for the content team, whose good work gets filtered through ESO's gameplay.

Ive played since beta and subscribe monthly. Im sorry, i dont come on forums much but if these nefs go ahead im done. Im out of eso

Remember the uproar when they nerfed the "reduce the cost of stamina and magica" in champion points. This forum was filled with the same comments but zos did it anyway and we all are here today still playing the game.

Yeah, decent stam characters can burst through 2 shields just fine. Sorc is going to be bottom tier by far if these nerfmire changes go through. I guess it'll be quit or swap to nightblade since ZOS keeps those top tier every patch.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Because PVE players had too much survivability thanks to shields.

Also shield-stacking with large shields in PVP.

Yep. I don't play a Shield stacking sorc. But as long as the following is true, something is way out of balance.

My sole main is Stam. AFAIK most (all) end game Stam meta builds have Endless Hail as the #1 damage skill in any substantial Dummy Parse. This requires the Maelstrom Bow. Most strong Stam end game meta builds require the Mael Bow. BUT you literally have to roll a shield spamming sorc as the (relative) easy road to MaelStrom. i.e. Only Sorcs can get Stam endgame meta equipment !?!?!

I remember hearing this and thinking yea, yea, yea. Well when I got serious and took my Stam toon for the vet Mael run. Damn ... after hours got 4 (5) in and got stuck on last phase/boss. Over those hours I constantly tuned, retuned CP, changed out Sets, adjusted skill bars setups, ... and full out struggled.

Finally in a what the heck momement, I literally took out of moth balls a magica mule alt, purple gear, assigned out all the backed up CP into what looked good, blah blah, and efffectively blitzed upto and slightly past my golded out Stam toons golded progress in no time. A slapped together, purpe, unfamilar skill bar Toon profoundly out performed a class / build / skill setup that I knew inside and out. Shields baby, shields.

There was a huge gap. The bottom line is in PVP, PVE, and endgame Shields were just way out of balance. It needed to be addressed. Now how to fix it is a different story. But it needed to be fixed, no debate really.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

Nhilandra77 wrote: »

Ive played since beta and subscribe monthly. Im sorry, i dont come on forums much but if these nefs go ahead im done. Im out of eso

oh don't worry im here since beta with perma monthly sub as well and I endured all the bads and perma nerfs for stamblades and the most I managed to quit eso was for 1 month...well 7 cuz some irl issues but you get the idea...you will be back

True, I came back 2 years later. If ZOS loves to get my subs for some months and then stay dry for 2 years per nerf then... be them my guests! It's certainly not me who am going to miss out money!

I signed up in open beta for a certain class with certain basic mechanics (basically a mage + limited summoneer). If they breach their contract, I stop paying, it's that simple.

I don't understand why someone might not just try a different build and see if it works work ya. I'm all for people who stop playing if they don't enjoy a game but maybe try some alternatives. Though I never understand the "if this happens or that happens I'm quitting" type post. No offense but why would we care? My game won't be effected if you quit..

So am I not going to be able to stack Absorb Magicka with Spiked Armor and the very weak frag shield on my Tank anymore?

I get the complaints. I remember when when DKs were the class to fear in PVP but then they nerfed/changed some aspects of the class and ever since sorcs have been the one people like to harp on. Now that sorcs' life blood is being cut it seems it'll be templar and nightblade central.

It almost seems like they do these changes to get people to try other classes and change up their builds. But as others have mentioned them trying to balance pvp and pve together is just silly. They're two different creatures that should be treated as such. But I guess that would require more work, so they do this as a way to cut corners. Like so many other aspects of this game.

Because shields are overpowered and they're trying to balance the game. That simple.

At this point any sort of argument is just bias.

bardx86 wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Because shields are overpowered and they're trying to balance the game. That simple.

At this point any sort of argument is just bias.

Or you don't play high level PVP. Shield are far from OP actually they are fairly weak.

Except i do. If your MMR is high enough you will see me in your bgs along with any other player worth mentioning in this game.

Not like there's such a thing as high lvl pvp in ESO anyways. There's no arenas, and the XvXvX system doesn't allow any competitive play in BGs.

And if by high level you mean 1vxing nubs in CP Cyrodiil then this argument was over before it started.

bardx86 wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Because shields are overpowered and they're trying to balance the game. That simple.

At this point any sort of argument is just bias.

Or you don't play high level PVP. Shield are far from OP actually they are fairly weak.

Is this coming from a Shield Stacker?

because ward, a defensive skill for some reason is tied to a offensive stat (max magicka) because of this the harder you pumped into offence the tankier you became, which led to the current situation where you could get 60k magicka stack 3 ward's and be damb near unkillable. i think they went about it wrong, but this makes defensive stats more valuable health/resistence which is a good thing.