Do you enjoy heavy attacking to sustain?

adeptusminor · October 2018

On a personal level, I hate heavy attacking with a passion. I feel like it takes away from the quick combat that makes this game enjoyable to me. So I'm curious, how many of you enjoy heavy attack rotations?

RaptorRodeoGod · October 2018

I like it because it makes the rotation easier.

lucky_dutch · October 2018

Yes. It creates a trade-off between building enough recovery into your build that you don't need to (at the cost of lower tooltips) vs a burstier build that requires you to recover resource via heavy attacks. it's actually really good game design.

Whoever originally designed the combat in this game and whoever is currently managing the balance must not be the same people.

TheShadowScout · October 2018

I do not exactly enjoy it... but I see it as a better option then allow people to effortlessly burn a fireworks of attacks though excessive ability cost mitigation as it has been once upon a time... so I am good with it.

Also, heavy armor builds have always needed to do this anyhow.

Nouney · October 2018

I don't like it because I think that broke the rotation.

But on Murkmire PTS, on a 6m dummy, if you know your rotation you don't have to do an heavy attack.

robpr · October 2018

Depends on class, but in general I don't like it. Sorc can live with it, but absolutely can't stand it on mDK. Throws out of flow, charging is too long and don't feel impactful.

Morgul667 · October 2018

What is the fun in holding one button down and doing nothing else?

RD065 · October 2018

I like it when I use a staff.. Not so much DW.

Morgul667 · October 2018

At least with heavy attack i can use aether infaillible

We find comfort in small things i guess

StamWhipCultist · October 2018

what heavy attack rotations?

phermitgb · October 2018

I like that there's a significant difference between the animation time of a heavy attack, and the implied material difference of more damage/resource sustenance that you get from using the attack. I liked that heavy attacks have the heavy knockdown(stun effectively) after a blocked or interrupted attack, and they make a great finishing move.

I like that a long, heavy, and debateably vulnerable attack mode has it's specific uses, and breaks up the rythm of basic attacks and skills

I'm not *sure* about how I feel about heavy attacks being *required* for sustain, however - I like that they're a *part* of sustain, but as to whether they should be *necessary* for sustain is something I'm not sure how I feel about

that being said, in my experience, heavy attacks aren't really *required* for sustain, unless you want an unrelenting constant stream of other attacks - which I know is the ultimate goal of the "maximum efficiency every second" crowd, but for me, the pacing of combat as far as pve goes is just about right, generally.

akl77 · October 2018

Nope, it looked dumb and killed the combat flow and unnecessary, even light attacks are so unnecessary.they cost nothing and should also do nothing.

Knootewoot · October 2018

Heavy attacks should be powerful, and break someone blocking and like bashing interrupt but consume a chunk of stamina.

Light attacks should keep pressure on someone but gradually consume stamina

imho imho imhotep

Tasear · October 2018

Yes but the fire and ice animations for staves feel chuncky and slow.

Sparr0w · October 2018

Just slows combat down and imo makes it boring. Seeing 12 people stand still holding 1 button to regain resources isn't fun.

max_only · October 2018

I don’t feel required.

I like it as an alternative. Heavy bow attacks are a style choice for like a long range archer and vs a short range archer with a smaller bow.

I dislike heavy attacks for sword & shield and for dual wield mostly because of the animation. Id rather A heavy attack with a sword be a deep plunge into the chest with a boot to the torso in order to pull out the sword or some other animation. Twirling my daggers before an attack is a dumb flourish and doesn’t seem impressive for a dual wield heavy attack. Heavy attacks with staves feels like trying to suck crushed ice through a straw.

So I don’t feel required AND there are times when I don’t like it.

Sparr0w · October 2018

adeptusminor wrote: »

On a personal level, I hate heavy attacking with a passion. I feel like it takes away from the quick combat that makes this game enjoyable to me. So I'm curious, how many of you enjoy heavy attack rotations?

Wait is this poll about heavy attacking during a rotation to get resources back or having a rotation that incorporates heavy attacks into each cycle (e.g. PetSorc, StamSorc/Plar)??

MacCait · October 2018

HELL NO... Morrowind sustain war stripped the fun from this game... it's still playable, but no class is as fun as pre-Morrowind (except Warden as that wasn't available)

ResTandRespeC · October 2018

Honestly im okay with having to do an occasional heavy attack if i say messed something up and had to spam roll dodge or shield, or the healers out of commission and cant throw orbs. I hate having to make it a part of my rotation though. Every class should be able to sustain their rotation all the way through a 3 mil dummy, solo and self applying ele drain (with witchmothers/dubious 3 damage glyphs and good pots), with no heavy attacks. For 6mill 1-2 heavys max although running out right at the end of the 6mil with a flawless rotation would feel better to me personally.

kargen27 · October 2018

Throwing in a heavy attack now and again doesn't hurt rotation much. Just need to adjust builds so the heavy attack doesn't become the feature part of the rotation. I tend to use more potions now than I did before but that is probably a good thing as I wasn't getting full benefits from potions before.

pod88kk · October 2018

Sometimes in a fight it's nice to do a heavy attack when you or the boss is on the move eg vmol twins

Banana · October 2018

Its my spammable.

adeptusminor · October 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

adeptusminor wrote: »

On a personal level, I hate heavy attacking with a passion. I feel like it takes away from the quick combat that makes this game enjoyable to me. So I'm curious, how many of you enjoy heavy attack rotations?

Wait is this poll about heavy attacking during a rotation to get resources back or having a rotation that incorporates heavy attacks into each cycle (e.g. PetSorc, StamSorc/Plar)??

A bit of both really. As a nightblade I don't really need to heavy attack, which I prefer, but I was mostly curious if people preferred rotations/classes where they heavy attack either as part of the rotation, or when it's required because a light attack rotation drains their resources too much.

edit: I guess what I'm wondering is if people enjoy heavy attacking at all actually, and mostly for PVE. I personally really liked the game pre-Morrowind with endless sustain, maybe not quite to the extreme it was back then, but I've never really been a fan of anything in this game that slows down combat, which I feel heavy attacking does.

Vogtard · October 2018

The idea of winding up a heavy attack is inherently pleasing for me. However, the execution sucks because it narrows down to just waiting for a very specific amount of time just to get the resources back. It doesn't give any sense of increasing power - it's just like a boring cast time skill. It's a necessity, not fun.
However, this mechanic works very well with medium attacks because they are more immersive by giving me more control of what I want to do in a given situation, without breaking my own rhythm. Never used because they don't give the resources back. Shame.

Ermiq · October 2018

I really like the way heavy attacks look and feel with restoration and lightning staves. Sometimes I use it just for pleasure, even if I already have full magicka pool.

MaxJrFTW · October 2018

On melee builds i do. Not at all when it comes to staves and bows though.

JumpmanLane · October 2018

On StamDK in PvE I run Mephala which encourages me to heavy attack and I like it.

On MagDk in PvP I ran what most folks called a heavy attack build for a bit but it really was a heavy attack/light attack build. I heavy attacked out of stealth as an opener and animation canceled every melee attack with a light attack with decent raw damage. None of it seemed like an imposition.

ArchMikem · October 2018

Im not particularly prejudiced against heavy attacking, but i do miss the old skill cost before they made everything twice as expensive to cast.

Sun7dance · October 2018

DW is ok, two-handed not so really.

Nyladreas · October 2018

I don't mind it on DW.

On 2 handed it's garbage... The damage and stamina restore needs to be higher to compensate for the speed and clunkiness.

Sparr0w · October 2018

adeptusminor wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

adeptusminor wrote: »

On a personal level, I hate heavy attacking with a passion. I feel like it takes away from the quick combat that makes this game enjoyable to me. So I'm curious, how many of you enjoy heavy attack rotations?

Wait is this poll about heavy attacking during a rotation to get resources back or having a rotation that incorporates heavy attacks into each cycle (e.g. PetSorc, StamSorc/Plar)??

A bit of both really. As a nightblade I don't really need to heavy attack, which I prefer, but I was mostly curious if people preferred rotations/classes where they heavy attack either as part of the rotation, or when it's required because a light attack rotation drains their resources too much.

edit: I guess what I'm wondering is if people enjoy heavy attacking at all actually, and mostly for PVE. I personally really liked the game pre-Morrowind with endless sustain, maybe not quite to the extreme it was back then, but I've never really been a fan of anything in this game that slows down combat, which I feel heavy attacking does.

Well I main a magblade too currently & can sustain perfectly running blue food and 1x regen glyph (slightly more dps than Witchmothers).

However next patch with the sustain changes (at least currently on PTS) to sustain solo you need to run both witchmothers & a magicka steal glyph since there's an extra 300-400 drain/s (600-800 more equivalent regen needed).

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