Should eso + craft bag be given to all in exchange for infinite space?

idk · October 2018

No

The poll is entirely irrelevant if OP thinks it will sway the minds of Zos.

Zos has clearly stated anyone who wants the crafting bag can have it if they subscribe. They will not provide any version of the crafting bag via any other means.

This is a business decision, and a good one, to encourage subscriptions.

Edit: BTW, Zos will likely enhance storage options for ESO+ even further over time. They already added double bank space as an example to support this. So OP's suggestion is just not flying.

Shawn_PT · October 2018

No

If my bank was infinite I would probably dump literally everything in it and when next I'd check it would have about 10k items, 9.5k of which were triplicates or stuff to decon/sell.

Which is not that bad tbh but.... I still have to say no. Keep the items flowing. Keep the cash rolling. Keep the farm going.

Well maybe not that last part but I've done so much gold by vendoring that stuff that I would otherwise consider holding, that keeping everything would actually be detrimental.

ruikkarikun · October 2018

Yes

I see a lot of greed.

Sheezabeast · October 2018

Yes

If this helps with partially picked nodes, sure.

A downside though would be it would make housing storage containers obsolete and that’s bad. There are already too few things to spend telvar on.

O_LYKOS · October 2018

No

Too many things in games are available to those who pay...or earn it. Then down the line they’re given to everyone for free. It’s ridiculous and not fair on those who have paid real money for.

Ravenayle · October 2018

Yes

I think this would be fair. Inventory space is a huge problem in this game. Furnishings, different sets that I don't want to decon because I may want to use them again, or save for an alt. It all adds up. Yes, we have the storage containers, but when something is in those, it can't be accessed to use in deco unless it's removed from the container back to inventory.

Plus bank space and bag space is quite pricey, imo.

Starlock · October 2018

Yes

Craft bag should be part of the base game, full stop. No extra compensation needed for ESO+ if that moves to base game. I don’t sub for the craft bag, I sub to support the game. I’ve been thinking about unsubbing primarily so I don’t have those stupid DLC dungeons in my randoms.

p00tx · October 2018

Yes

Honestly, they could leave it the way it is and charge a nominal fee for a one time purchase of an infinite bank space. I'd fork over the cash so fast...

RD065 · October 2018

No

When I subbed 2 months ago I had no idea about the craft bag but it's a huge perk. Infinite bag space I don't need that.. Just don't auto loot every thing and go to a vendor and sell your crap, white items (or deconstruct ) and the other junk there that has no use whatsoever ..

DaveMoeDee · October 2018

No

As much as I would love infinite bag space, performance would eventually become an issue considering how many items don't stack. No chance.

josiahva · October 2018

Yes

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Too many things in games are available to those who pay...or earn it. Then down the line they’re given to everyone for free. It’s ridiculous and not fair on those who have paid real money for.

umm, what are you talking about? If I get a set of say...Ebon armor...I cant give it to anyone anyway, its bound except for the people in the dungeon group. Sure...I could give away a set of Spriggans...but why would I do that when there is still a market to sell it? Regardless of whether I have 100 sets of spriggans in my bank...people are still looking to buy it...so I still have incentive to sell it. Let people hoard everything...it doesnt hurt a thing...its not like everyone in the game is going to try to clear out their bank inventory at one time...and because the number of sale slots is limited, its not like they could dump 100 sets of Spriggans on the market at once anyway...unless they used every slot in every guild to do so

DaveMoeDee · October 2018

No

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Too many things in games are available to those who pay...or earn it. Then down the line they’re given to everyone for free. It’s ridiculous and not fair on those who have paid real money for.

It is fair. It will be free to you also. What you paid in the past is irrelevant since only those who pay get the crafting bag right now. It isn't like you bought the crafting bag. You rent it monthly.

RD065 · October 2018

No

josiahva wrote: »

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Let people hoard everything...it doesnt hurt a thing.o

Agreed but then understand you will be short on space sometimes. Sometimes you have to sacrifice something..

El_Borracho · October 2018

No

josiahva wrote: »

umm, what are you talking about? If I get a set of say...Ebon armor...I cant give it to anyone anyway, its bound except for the people in the dungeon group. Sure...I could give away a set of Spriggans...but why would I do that when there is still a market to sell it? Regardless of whether I have 100 sets of spriggans in my bank...people are still looking to buy it...so I still have incentive to sell it. Let people hoard everything...it doesnt hurt a thing...its not like everyone in the game is going to try to clear out their bank inventory at one time...and because the number of sale slots is limited, its not like they could dump 100 sets of Spriggans on the market at once anyway...unless they used every slot in every guild to do so

If you sold 100 sets of Spriggans, you should have more than enough money to buy additional bank spaces to store your inventory for ESO Wal-mart.

Funny part is that should ESO give everyone infinite bank space, the next complaints will be "ESO needs to give me a better way of organizing all the useless gear sets I have," and, "What's with all these garbage sets? ESO needs to fix that," and "ESO needs to fix the lag caused by people hoarding gear."

Just buy a craft bag and bank space.

Troneon · October 2018

Yes

I don't mind if they give non ESO PLUS players the extra storage ESO PLUS has now but then upgrades ESO PLUS to infinite storage.

No more inventory management online would be heaven for some...

wolfie1.0. · October 2018

No

I fail to see the problem with inventory issues. Even without subbing you have 240 bank space, 360 storage container space. 8 character slots each with access up to 200 spaces. If you add in access to a guild bank. assuming you keep 2 characters clear for farming and playing. You have 2100 storage slots for mats and gear. I am actually surprised people mention furniture here....cause you know furniture can be stored in houses. If you run out of space you just buy another house. If you have all of the houses and still run out of space the stop crafting/buying furniture.

rfennell_ESO · October 2018

No

Shadowasrial wrote: »

As we continue to gain more and more dlc new styles and traits our banks are getting more and more filled. Even for our eso + subscribers. And even for those that don’t subscribe it’s even worse. Now I am an eso + subscriber myself and even I feel that the craft bag should be available to all, however many people only subscribe for it. So I’m offering a solution. What if eso plus subscribers got the craft bag and infinite bank space? Would you accept that trade off?

Instead of ESO plus for all, they really should think of taking a look at a reduction in variety of mats.

I've challenged people to come up with how many different mats there currently are before here... No one bothered to ever reply because it's pretty daunting to even remember all of them and where they are used and make a complete list at this point.

Between trait mats, styles mats, raw materials and what not... it's more mats than I've ever seen in game.

p00tx · October 2018

Yes

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

I fail to see the problem with inventory issues. Even without subbing you have 240 bank space, 360 storage container space. 8 character slots each with access up to 200 spaces. If you add in access to a guild bank. assuming you keep 2 characters clear for farming and playing. You have 2100 storage slots for mats and gear. I am actually surprised people mention furniture here....cause you know furniture can be stored in houses. If you run out of space you just buy another house. If you have all of the houses and still run out of space the stop crafting/buying furniture.

This is assuming the person has the max amount of toons allowable, and all toons have their inventory maxed. Either way, Monster sets alone take up 204 spaces, assuming you only need one set of each in heavy, medium and light. Then there is seige for Cyrodil, which doesn't stack, so that takes up a ton of room. Then there are crafting surveys, maps, master writs, weapon and armor sets, collectibles, potions, foods, sets of training gear for leveling up new toons, stacks of key shards, stacks of soul gems, stacks of lockpicks. If someone is fully and actively playing the full range of this game, it is unbelievably easy to fill up that inventory.

qbit · October 2018

No

Chrysa1is wrote: »

I shouldnt have to make a new character to use as a mule, and have to log in and out between chars to get items, as there is no quality of life in that method. Its just tedious.

Ive had the game on xb1 since release, and ive got a good amount of materials collected (all crafting) and ive managed my bank space well since. and i still have purchaseable bank space left to buy from the bag merchant.

itd be nice to have it because some items required for writs have to be in your inventory to count as meeting the require as opposed to it counting by simply remaining in your bank inventory.

Whether people agree or not, ESO+ is literally centered around the crafting bag. Id rather pay for my dlcs whereas eso+ have to sustain membership overall payin more than the dlc is worth. I dont care about extra xp because daily rewards give you alot of xp scrolls. doubke bank and housing space is attractive but i can live without it as i only use what i need. as for the crowns, id rather pay for crowns when i want them.

Itd be cool to have the bag to improve quality of life, but i can live without it.

Running without a subscription for a $10 MMO is essentially a demo. If you’re serious about the game, you subscribe. Or you find a F2P game that makes its money off P2W. Or you go to a game that only has a subscription model.

wolfie1.0. · October 2018

No

p00tx wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

I fail to see the problem with inventory issues. Even without subbing you have 240 bank space, 360 storage container space. 8 character slots each with access up to 200 spaces. If you add in access to a guild bank. assuming you keep 2 characters clear for farming and playing. You have 2100 storage slots for mats and gear. I am actually surprised people mention furniture here....cause you know furniture can be stored in houses. If you run out of space you just buy another house. If you have all of the houses and still run out of space the stop crafting/buying furniture.

This is assuming the person has the max amount of toons allowable, and all toons have their inventory maxed. Either way, Monster sets alone take up 204 spaces, assuming you only need one set of each in heavy, medium and light. Then there is seige for Cyrodil, which doesn't stack, so that takes up a ton of room. Then there are crafting surveys, maps, master writs, weapon and armor sets, collectibles, potions, foods, sets of training gear for leveling up new toons, stacks of key shards, stacks of soul gems, stacks of lockpicks. If someone is fully and actively playing the full range of this game, it is unbelievably easy to fill up that inventory.

How many of those monster sets do you actually use? How many sets do you use? Training gear for new toons? That's not many slots and really unless you are actively leveling a toon why should you keep it? Of all of the available gear out there only about a third are ever used. You dont need many stacks of lock picks or soul gems. Siege and maps I understand (I really wish they would stack) but siege should be on your pvp toon 1 of the 2 played slots and you should only grab as many as your gonna need for a day.

Look my point is that it wasn't all that very long ago that we didn't have a craft bag at all. Inventory management issues are what you make them. Also every account starts with 8 character slots. That is what I went with. I didn't even factor in the other 7 you can buy. It is very possible to work within the game to maximize your inventory without spending any additional money. You just have to min/max your inventory the same way you do your builds.

Not to mention how easy it is to grab a second game copy during a sale for less that an eso sub for a month. That adds more storage options.

Jamdarius · October 2018

No opinion

I suggest you clear banker/storage from stuff you never use anymore, saying "it might be good" clutters your space a lot. For example unwanted monster sets/sets/crafted sets/dungeon sets - decon it all except rarity ones like BSW inferno staff, make 1 of the houses into furnishings storage area if you are into housing (I did it and it was godly move if i may say so about what I did) and suddenly u have 100+ banker space and 2 empty storage chests.

msetten · October 2018

No

I would actually suggest that infinity bank space (or another doubling in size) should be added for Eso plus subscribers with the craft bag as well. That would make subscriptions even more worth it.

p00tx · October 2018

Yes

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

I fail to see the problem with inventory issues. Even without subbing you have 240 bank space, 360 storage container space. 8 character slots each with access up to 200 spaces. If you add in access to a guild bank. assuming you keep 2 characters clear for farming and playing. You have 2100 storage slots for mats and gear. I am actually surprised people mention furniture here....cause you know furniture can be stored in houses. If you run out of space you just buy another house. If you have all of the houses and still run out of space the stop crafting/buying furniture.

This is assuming the person has the max amount of toons allowable, and all toons have their inventory maxed. Either way, Monster sets alone take up 204 spaces, assuming you only need one set of each in heavy, medium and light. Then there is seige for Cyrodil, which doesn't stack, so that takes up a ton of room. Then there are crafting surveys, maps, master writs, weapon and armor sets, collectibles, potions, foods, sets of training gear for leveling up new toons, stacks of key shards, stacks of soul gems, stacks of lockpicks. If someone is fully and actively playing the full range of this game, it is unbelievably easy to fill up that inventory.

How many of those monster sets do you actually use? How many sets do you use? Training gear for new toons? That's not many slots and really unless you are actively leveling a toon why should you keep it? Of all of the available gear out there only about a third are ever used. You dont need many stacks of lock picks or soul gems. Siege and maps I understand (I really wish they would stack) but siege should be on your pvp toon 1 of the 2 played slots and you should only grab as many as your gonna need for a day.

Look my point is that it wasn't all that very long ago that we didn't have a craft bag at all. Inventory management issues are what you make them. Also every account starts with 8 character slots. That is what I went with. I didn't even factor in the other 7 you can buy. It is very possible to work within the game to maximize your inventory without spending any additional money. You just have to min/max your inventory the same way you do your builds.

Not to mention how easy it is to grab a second game copy during a sale for less that an eso sub for a month. That adds more storage options.

I use quite a few of them actually. I main a PvP healer, and I have a PvE healer, and both need to be able to change their gear depending on the content or the group composition, so there is a HUGE number of sets I need to have readily available. I also have about 6 active PvP toons, each with different gear sets that they rotate through, depending on how I choose to play them and group comp that day. As a PvP healer, you'd better believe I do need those stacks of soul gems. I go through them faster than you'd believe while rezzing people in the battlefield. Let's also not forget about the coldfire trebs and ballistas that we have in droves because you can't buy them and they're too precious to just get rid of. As for training sets, you need at least two of each stat (mag/stam) to cover 1-25, then 26-50, and many of us are still leveling babies to CP because we haven't been playing since day one, so getting rid of that gear isn't neccesarily a smart idea.

At the end of the day, I think you and I play and approach this game very differently. It doesn't hurt to imagine that something like this could be incredibly beneficial for someone who plays differently than you.

wolfie1.0. · October 2018

No

p00tx wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

I fail to see the problem with inventory issues. Even without subbing you have 240 bank space, 360 storage container space. 8 character slots each with access up to 200 spaces. If you add in access to a guild bank. assuming you keep 2 characters clear for farming and playing. You have 2100 storage slots for mats and gear. I am actually surprised people mention furniture here....cause you know furniture can be stored in houses. If you run out of space you just buy another house. If you have all of the houses and still run out of space the stop crafting/buying furniture.

This is assuming the person has the max amount of toons allowable, and all toons have their inventory maxed. Either way, Monster sets alone take up 204 spaces, assuming you only need one set of each in heavy, medium and light. Then there is seige for Cyrodil, which doesn't stack, so that takes up a ton of room. Then there are crafting surveys, maps, master writs, weapon and armor sets, collectibles, potions, foods, sets of training gear for leveling up new toons, stacks of key shards, stacks of soul gems, stacks of lockpicks. If someone is fully and actively playing the full range of this game, it is unbelievably easy to fill up that inventory.

How many of those monster sets do you actually use? How many sets do you use? Training gear for new toons? That's not many slots and really unless you are actively leveling a toon why should you keep it? Of all of the available gear out there only about a third are ever used. You dont need many stacks of lock picks or soul gems. Siege and maps I understand (I really wish they would stack) but siege should be on your pvp toon 1 of the 2 played slots and you should only grab as many as your gonna need for a day.

Look my point is that it wasn't all that very long ago that we didn't have a craft bag at all. Inventory management issues are what you make them. Also every account starts with 8 character slots. That is what I went with. I didn't even factor in the other 7 you can buy. It is very possible to work within the game to maximize your inventory without spending any additional money. You just have to min/max your inventory the same way you do your builds.

Not to mention how easy it is to grab a second game copy during a sale for less that an eso sub for a month. That adds more storage options.

I use quite a few of them actually. I main a PvP healer, and I have a PvE healer, and both need to be able to change their gear depending on the content or the group composition, so there is a HUGE number of sets I need to have readily available. I also have about 6 active PvP toons, each with different gear sets that they rotate through, depending on how I choose to play them and group comp that day. As a PvP healer, you'd better believe I do need those stacks of soul gems. I go through them faster than you'd believe while rezzing people in the battlefield. Let's also not forget about the coldfire trebs and ballistas that we have in droves because you can't buy them and they're too precious to just get rid of. As for training sets, you need at least two of each stat (mag/stam) to cover 1-25, then 26-50, and many of us are still leveling babies to CP because we haven't been playing since day one, so getting rid of that gear isn't neccesarily a smart idea.

At the end of the day, I think you and I play and approach this game very differently. It doesn't hurt to imagine that something like this could be incredibly beneficial for someone who plays differently than you.

I do see your point in that many people want to play more than 1 or 2 characters and not sacrifice storage. I guess my point was to state just how much storage is possible.

Though TBH I wouldn't object to increased bank space. Say 500 for base players and 750 to 1000 for subs. I would even bite on a limited craft bag for non subs. But unlimited overall storage for subs and unlimited craft bags for every one is too much

Edit: edited bad word choices due to phone auto correct.

Chicharron · October 2018

That day I will stop paying plus.

They should put something like a wardrobe, and if they do, it will be exclusive to ESO+

KafkaEsqu3 · October 2018

Yes

First of all, anyone who thinks ESO is F2P does not understand the concept of F2P at all. Since you have to BUY ESO, it can't be F2P, since you already PAY to PLAY. Other than that, I think there is something essentially wrong with Bank Space in ESO and the Craft Bag also for non-subscribers would be a way to go. However, I can also understand that it's a big incentive for subscribing to ESO+. Personally, I feel like maybe some option for DLC buyers would be nice, so that people who pay for extra content but not for ESO+ would also have some bonus to that.

Additionally, I think this Thread says a lot about people in general. I have read so many comments by ESO+ subscribers whining about not having enough Bank Space even with ESO+. Then comes a poll that asks if giving infinite bank space to ESO+ subscribers in exchange for Non-Subscribers ALSO getting the craft bag and the majority goes "no uh, not worth it". Poor humanity...

Also: I'm not a ESO+ subscriber, but I can manage my Inventory anyway, since I don't care at all about Housing and thus don't hoard stuff for that. Also, I haven't even maxed out on Bank and/or Inventory Capacity and still manage quite well

Danikat · October 2018

No

I don't understand what most people fill their bank/bag space with.

My characters are wearing their equipment, so that doesn't take up space, although some of them carry around clothing to switch to. They each have about 10-12 kinds of potions, food and drinks (and I could cut that down a lot, but I have a lot of low level characters who just use whatever they pick up), 2 spare poisons, repair kits, soul gems, lockpicks. In total it's about 15-20 items per character. All the rest of their inventory is open for loot they pick up.

(My crafter is an exception - most of his inventory is full of materials, and he also holds onto items for trait research and food and potions made for crafting writs.)

Then my bank holds spare consumables, some materials (these are split between my crafter's inventory and the bank), spare soul gems, lockpicks and bait and odds and ends I've not decided what to do with yet. But again it's mostly empty so I can use it to transfer stuff between characters, mainly to my crafter to deconstruct.

Oh I also have a storage chest where I keep purple and gold crafting materials and some other bits I don't want to lose.

I'm only on 11/18 bank upgrades (and no ESO+ so it's only 10 slots per upgrade), most of my characters only have the first few bag upgrades and I only have 1 storage chest but I feel like I've got enough space. Sure a bit more would be nice, but I can't imagine maxing it out and still not having enough room.

radiostar · October 2018

Give a new Plus bag for subs that holds infinite bound items, then give the craft bag to everyone. It's a great perk but doesn't hold bound gear, which is taking up too much bank space.

Runs · October 2018

No for the crafting bag as it is.

I do feel that there should be a smaller craft bag available to all via buying from the crownstore or getting it gifted to you. This smaller bag would be limited to holding 1 per stack of each item that currently fits in the craft bag.

I don't see this hindering ZOS any because I don't see people quitting to sub over it. But good enough to stop some of the complaints.

Tandor · October 2018

No

p00tx wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

I fail to see the problem with inventory issues. Even without subbing you have 240 bank space, 360 storage container space. 8 character slots each with access up to 200 spaces. If you add in access to a guild bank. assuming you keep 2 characters clear for farming and playing. You have 2100 storage slots for mats and gear. I am actually surprised people mention furniture here....cause you know furniture can be stored in houses. If you run out of space you just buy another house. If you have all of the houses and still run out of space the stop crafting/buying furniture.

This is assuming the person has the max amount of toons allowable, and all toons have their inventory maxed. Either way, Monster sets alone take up 204 spaces, assuming you only need one set of each in heavy, medium and light. Then there is seige for Cyrodil, which doesn't stack, so that takes up a ton of room. Then there are crafting surveys, maps, master writs, weapon and armor sets, collectibles, potions, foods, sets of training gear for leveling up new toons, stacks of key shards, stacks of soul gems, stacks of lockpicks. If someone is fully and actively playing the full range of this game, it is unbelievably easy to fill up that inventory.

Just to take one example - the fact that you're attempting to counter criticism of hoarders who hang onto stuff unnecessarily by referring to the need to hold "stacks of lockpicks" says it all really.