Stamina Nightblade Open-World build advice?

Valykc · October 2018

Let me first start by saying that I don’t have very much time to play due to work and college. So I’m doing a switch from mainly doing PvE content, to joining PvP for some quick fun (or headaches, depending on multiple variables) to use up my down time. I don’t have much time to farm sets so I want to *attempt* to make a reliable build the first time around to save me some time and money, although I know that the meta changes and I will more than likely be forced to adapt the build accordingly at a later date. I’ve watched a few YouTube videos for builds but wanted to see if I could get a community consensus on great sets to use. I do not own a Master Bow, Duel Wield, or 2H, so I’m pretty limited on that end and will farm for those when I find a good group and learn the mechanics more. Due to these reasons, I figured I would ask for some insight from more veteran players so save myself unneeded headaches.

I would like to use 2H & Bow with medium. I tried the heavy, dual wield/2H setup and it just felt too weird for me.

Sets I’m interested in pairing together:

Bone Pirate + Eternal Hunt
Bone Pirate + Spriggan’s
Bone Pirate + Shacklebreaker
Hulking + Hundings
Hulking + Spriggan’s

Basically one set for sustain, one for damage. Although I’d like to boost either max stam or weapon damage for better heals but I’m open to any ideas.

Other sets that look interesting but not sure how viable they are:

Prisoner’s rags- the Magicka recovery from the 5 piece would help with kiting and escaping. Is it worth dropping a stamina sustain or damage set for though?

Armor Master- yes, I know some of you might think this is stupid. But the mitigation could be good while I recover Magicka. Moreover, with the passive dodge chance of shuffle being removed in murkmire, this set could help with lessening the amount of damage I could take due to beefed up resistances. Is it worth sacrificing a sustain or damage set for? Is it worth the cost of shuffle in its future state?

Feel free to post suggestions, recommendations, thoughts, ideas, or anything that you think could help me. Obviously, I’m aware a build shouldn’t carry me and I need a certain amount of skill to accomplish what veteran players can do. Just looking for some helpful advice.

Thank you in advance.

susmitds · October 2018

There is a set, that very few NBs actually use, but is way OP when used right. Check up Shadow Walker. You can ignore sustain totally if you backbar with Master/Asylum/MaelStrom Weapons frontbar and even works fine if used on both bars. It virtually converts Cloak to Dark Deal for NBs.

Valykc · October 2018

susmitds wrote: »

There is a set, that very few NBs actually use, but is way OP when used right. Check up Shadow Walker. You can ignore sustain totally if you backbar with Master/Asylum/MaelStrom Weapons frontbar and even works fine if used on both bars. It virtually converts Cloak to Dark Deal for NBs.

Not too bad, I just wish you could be moving to get the bonus but that would probably take it way over the top. Does it work instantly, so if I cloak and get pulled out right away, I still restored a small amount of resources?

jaws343 · October 2018

In my current iteration of my stamblade, I am running Eternal Hunt and Senche's Bite. Two two sets plus dubious provide more than enough sustain and stamina. And with the changes to evasion in Murkmire, dodge roll is going to be king.

I like to pair the sets with Manifestation of Terror. You can kite a player, stealth out, lay down the Manifestation trap and dodge roll to proc Eternal hunt and the Senche damage boost. It sets a minefield for an opposing player, and the moment they hit one of your traps, you gap close and burst them down. It is pretty effective.

Valykc · October 2018

jaws343 wrote: »

In my current iteration of my stamblade, I am running Eternal Hunt and Senche's Bite. Two two sets plus dubious provide more than enough sustain and stamina. And with the changes to evasion in Murkmire, dodge roll is going to be king.

I like to pair the sets with Manifestation of Terror. You can kite a player, stealth out, lay down the Manifestation trap and dodge roll to proc Eternal hunt and the Senche damage boost. It sets a minefield for an opposing player, and the moment they hit one of your traps, you gap close and burst them down. It is pretty effective.

This is basically what I wanted to do. Use fear trap as a defensive and offensive pressure set. Completely forgot about senche! Pairing that with eternal hunt is smart! I love it, gonna have to give this a shot! Thanks!

leepalmer95 · October 2018

I'd 100% recommend heavy over medium for open world as heavy is by far better but if you really want to go medium use:

5x Shackle
5x Bone pirate

Monster set: Bloodspawn/ selene/ 1x pirate + 1x chudan/ troll king

You'll be very squishy as medium so you'll need to rely on cloak more than anything.
If you vs anyone who actually knows what they're doing in pvp you'll die too easy because cloak becomes useless.

Valykc · October 2018

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'd 100% recommend heavy over medium for open world as heavy is by far better but if you really want to go medium use:

5x Shackle
5x Bone pirate

Monster set: Bloodspawn/ selene/ 1x pirate + 1x chudan/ troll king

You'll be very squishy as medium so you'll need to rely on cloak more than anything.
If you vs anyone who actually knows what they're doing in pvp you'll die too easy because cloak becomes useless.

Yeah, I’m inclined to agree but I tried the heavy setup on a stam blade and it felt weird. I tried 5 fury, 5 shacklebreaker, 2 Troll King and I just got packed up. Obviously, I’ll attribute this to still learning that build since my main bar was duel wield, and the mass zerging happening. I just feel like medium would fit me more on a stamblade and a heavy set up like the above would work well on my StamDK or Warden. Hell, I’ll probably get absolutely demolished and go back to heavy. Not sure until I try it though.

Valykc · October 2018

jaws343 wrote: »

In my current iteration of my stamblade, I am running Eternal Hunt and Senche's Bite. Two two sets plus dubious provide more than enough sustain and stamina. And with the changes to evasion in Murkmire, dodge roll is going to be king.

I like to pair the sets with Manifestation of Terror. You can kite a player, stealth out, lay down the Manifestation trap and dodge roll to proc Eternal hunt and the Senche damage boost. It sets a minefield for an opposing player, and the moment they hit one of your traps, you gap close and burst them down. It is pretty effective.

You running all impen or do you use some well-fitted in there too?

leepalmer95 · October 2018

Valykc wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'd 100% recommend heavy over medium for open world as heavy is by far better but if you really want to go medium use:

5x Shackle
5x Bone pirate

Monster set: Bloodspawn/ selene/ 1x pirate + 1x chudan/ troll king

You'll be very squishy as medium so you'll need to rely on cloak more than anything.
If you vs anyone who actually knows what they're doing in pvp you'll die too easy because cloak becomes useless.

Yeah, I’m inclined to agree but I tried the heavy setup on a stam blade and it felt weird. I tried 5 fury, 5 shacklebreaker, 2 Troll King and I just got packed up. Obviously, I’ll attribute this to still learning that build since my main bar was duel wield, and the mass zerging happening. I just feel like medium would fit me more on a stamblade and a heavy set up like the above would work well on my StamDK or Warden. Hell, I’ll probably get absolutely demolished and go back to heavy. Not sure until I try it though.

Fury isn't great on a heavy stam nb because realistically between roll dodge and cloak you won't be able to keep it up.

I prefer 7th over it, it procs enough on a nb and isn't negated by cloak.

troll king/ 7th/ bone pirate. Run about 2k stam regen with siphoning and my sustain is far better than what it would be in medium.

Danksta · October 2018

I'm not really an experienced PvP'er or even really good at it, but I use BP+Shackle and I do alright with it.

Valykc · October 2018

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Fury isn't great on a heavy stam nb because realistically between roll dodge and cloak you won't be able to keep it up.

I prefer 7th over it, it procs enough on a nb and isn't negated by cloak.

troll king/ 7th/ bone pirate. Run about 2k stam regen with siphoning and my sustain is far better than what it would be in medium.

Yeah, those are valid points, I swapped Fury for Ravager at one point but still got stomped. Seventh would be a great set to try as well. I’ll have to farm that and see if it works for me. Thanks again!

Valykc · October 2018

Danksta wrote: »

I'm not really an experienced PvP'er or even really good at it, but I use BP+Shackle and I do alright with it.

Awesome, thanks!

jaws343 · October 2018

Valykc wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

In my current iteration of my stamblade, I am running Eternal Hunt and Senche's Bite. Two two sets plus dubious provide more than enough sustain and stamina. And with the changes to evasion in Murkmire, dodge roll is going to be king.

I like to pair the sets with Manifestation of Terror. You can kite a player, stealth out, lay down the Manifestation trap and dodge roll to proc Eternal hunt and the Senche damage boost. It sets a minefield for an opposing player, and the moment they hit one of your traps, you gap close and burst them down. It is pretty effective.

You running all impen or do you use some well-fitted in there too?

It's a mix of both. But you could go all well-fitted. On live, you could go all well-fitted, because shuffle help with damage mitigation. But with the changes to evasion, running half impen will be helpful.

leepalmer95 · October 2018

jaws343 wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

In my current iteration of my stamblade, I am running Eternal Hunt and Senche's Bite. Two two sets plus dubious provide more than enough sustain and stamina. And with the changes to evasion in Murkmire, dodge roll is going to be king.

I like to pair the sets with Manifestation of Terror. You can kite a player, stealth out, lay down the Manifestation trap and dodge roll to proc Eternal hunt and the Senche damage boost. It sets a minefield for an opposing player, and the moment they hit one of your traps, you gap close and burst them down. It is pretty effective.

You running all impen or do you use some well-fitted in there too?

It's a mix of both. But you could go all well-fitted. On live, you could go all well-fitted, because shuffle help with damage mitigation. But with the changes to evasion, running half impen will be helpful.

100% i'd always go all impen, especially in medium.

Well fitted is a lot less effective on medium setups that it is on heavy.

Valykc · October 2018

jaws343 wrote: »

It's a mix of both. But you could go all well-fitted. On live, you could go all well-fitted, because shuffle help with damage mitigation. But with the changes to evasion, running half impen will be helpful.

Ok I’ll try running impen and see how the sustain is with the rolling, then go from there

NightAngel690 · October 2018

First: there’s really no such thing as meta for pvp. Many people believe that pvp is a lot like pve in the sense that you have to run certain sets to do good. No! Pvp is wonderful in that you can make any sets work for any class. The only big difference is, you might have to actually use your head and think on how to make it work for your play style.

The best example was an earlier thread that mentioned senche and eternal! This is perfect if you want to roll dodge a lot! Another is shackle and bp. Perfect for the up front brawler/max rss build. Another example that was mentioned was 7th/tk/bp. Perfectly valid if you want to take some damage and deal it out just as much.
Myself, I run hundings(heavy)/bp/grothdar. It thrives in bg! Grothdar is just there to keep those pesky gankblades out of stealth and pairs perfectly with dbos. I run a master bow back bar so muc rotation is just heavy attack, poison injection, gap close, fear, dawnbreaker and spam sa light attack until they’re in execute range. This is another reason I use grothdar is to help to damage the other people around them. For cyrodil, sustain is everything if you want to small scale or 1vX which means you need to be able to recover stam faster than you use it while also relying on crit to melt your target.

When I was a ganker, I ran vicecannon and sheervenom for a poison dot build. I was super squishy but even if I died, if the dots weren’t purged fast enough. With shields being able to take crit damage, this might become a viable option against sorcs or magtoons in general.

Currently, I am experimenting with a build that has max sustain, max damage, max stats, and Max crit resistance. It’s still in experimental stage but If it is successful, I have no issues sharing it.

Valykc · October 2018

NightAngel690 wrote: »

First: there’s really no such thing as meta for pvp. Many people believe that pvp is a lot like pve in the sense that you have to run certain sets to do good. No! Pvp is wonderful in that you can make any sets work for any class. The only big difference is, you might have to actually use your head and think on how to make it work for your play style.

The best example was an earlier thread that mentioned senche and eternal! This is perfect if you want to roll dodge a lot! Another is shackle and bp. Perfect for the up front brawler/max rss build. Another example that was mentioned was 7th/tk/bp. Perfectly valid if you want to take some damage and deal it out just as much.
Myself, I run hundings(heavy)/bp/grothdar. It thrives in bg! Grothdar is just there to keep those pesky gankblades out of stealth and pairs perfectly with dbos. I run a master bow back bar so muc rotation is just heavy attack, poison injection, gap close, fear, dawnbreaker and spam sa light attack until they’re in execute range. This is another reason I use grothdar is to help to damage the other people around them. For cyrodil, sustain is everything if you want to small scale or 1vX which means you need to be able to recover stam faster than you use it while also relying on crit to melt your target.

When I was a ganker, I ran vicecannon and sheervenom for a poison dot build. I was super squishy but even if I died, if the dots weren’t purged fast enough. With shields being able to take crit damage, this might become a viable option against sorcs or magtoons in general.

Currently, I am experimenting with a build that has max sustain, max damage, max stats, and Max crit resistance. It’s still in experimental stage but If it is successful, I have no issues sharing it.

Great advice! Yeah all those set ups sound interesting! I was even reading about pairing eternal with morihaus and bowling through zergs. Sounds like a death wish but I can imagine it would be super funny to watch. They said they paired both sets with selene’s and if all procs happened at once it could one shot some people and if not put them in execute or leave them open for dbos. It’s builds like this that make me love the game haha. I never thought morihaus could be useful but I feel like I need to try this, even if it’s just for laughs haha. Also the froth dart application is very smart. I love that idea. Great use of your head for making a well rounded build!

Undefwun · October 2018

I run Impreg/Prisoner's/Troll King... 2 Well Fitted, 5 Impen.

Even in no CP, I got 3.6k Crit Resist. Going for a quick run, tops up your magicka..

I am still learning but this works pretty well in open world, just watch Moontan's stream, it's pretty much his build.

IZZEFlameLash · October 2018

NightAngel690 wrote: »

First: there’s really no such thing as meta for pvp. Many people believe that pvp is a lot like pve in the sense that you have to run certain sets to do good. No! Pvp is wonderful in that you can make any sets work for any class. The only big difference is, you might have to actually use your head and think on how to make it work for your play style.

The best example was an earlier thread that mentioned senche and eternal! This is perfect if you want to roll dodge a lot! Another is shackle and bp. Perfect for the up front brawler/max rss build. Another example that was mentioned was 7th/tk/bp. Perfectly valid if you want to take some damage and deal it out just as much.
Myself, I run hundings(heavy)/bp/grothdar. It thrives in bg! Grothdar is just there to keep those pesky gankblades out of stealth and pairs perfectly with dbos. I run a master bow back bar so muc rotation is just heavy attack, poison injection, gap close, fear, dawnbreaker and spam sa light attack until they’re in execute range. This is another reason I use grothdar is to help to damage the other people around them. For cyrodil, sustain is everything if you want to small scale or 1vX which means you need to be able to recover stam faster than you use it while also relying on crit to melt your target.

When I was a ganker, I ran vicecannon and sheervenom for a poison dot build. I was super squishy but even if I died, if the dots weren’t purged fast enough. With shields being able to take crit damage, this might become a viable option against sorcs or magtoons in general.

Currently, I am experimenting with a build that has max sustain, max damage, max stats, and Max crit resistance. It’s still in experimental stage but If it is successful, I have no issues sharing it.

There's always a meta. And there always will be one. It is the choice of players to use or not use the meta setup. Meta, undeniably, exists.

Qbiken · October 2018

I´m currently running:

Class: Nightblade
Race: Redguard

* Warrior´s Fury
* 7th Legion
* Trollking or Bloodspawn

Heavy armor nightblade is one of the strongest and most fun setups I´ve played. It´s a very different playstyle compared to the usual medium armor nightblade, but boi is it strong. With the changes to evasion (Blur), heavy armor nightblades will be incredibly good next patch

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'd 100% recommend heavy over medium for open world as heavy is by far better but if you really want to go medium use:

5x Shackle
5x Bone pirate

Monster set: Bloodspawn/ selene/ 1x pirate + 1x chudan/ troll king

You'll be very squishy as medium so you'll need to rely on cloak more than anything.
If you vs anyone who actually knows what they're doing in pvp you'll die too easy because cloak becomes useless.

Yeah, I’m inclined to agree but I tried the heavy setup on a stam blade and it felt weird. I tried 5 fury, 5 shacklebreaker, 2 Troll King and I just got packed up. Obviously, I’ll attribute this to still learning that build since my main bar was duel wield, and the mass zerging happening. I just feel like medium would fit me more on a stamblade and a heavy set up like the above would work well on my StamDK or Warden. Hell, I’ll probably get absolutely demolished and go back to heavy. Not sure until I try it though.

Fury isn't great on a heavy stam nb because realistically between roll dodge and cloak you won't be able to keep it up.

I prefer 7th over it, it procs enough on a nb and isn't negated by cloak.

troll king/ 7th/ bone pirate. Run about 2k stam regen with siphoning and my sustain is far better than what it would be in medium.

Easy solution: Remove cloak

I honestly don´t feel the need for it. I can feel the need for Shade sometimes, but don´t really have the bar-space for it.

Valykc · October 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

I´m currently running:

Class: Nightblade
Race: Redguard

* Warrior´s Fury
* 7th Legion
* Trollking or Bloodspawn

Easy solution: Remove cloak I honestly don´t feel the need for it. I can feel the need for Shade sometimes, but don´t really have the bar-space for it.

What do your bars look like if you don’t mind sharing?

Qbiken · October 2018

Valykc wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I´m currently running:

Class: Nightblade
Race: Redguard

* Warrior´s Fury
* 7th Legion
* Trollking or Bloodspawn

Easy solution: Remove cloak I honestly don´t feel the need for it. I can feel the need for Shade sometimes, but don´t really have the bar-space for it.

What do your bars look like if you don’t mind sharing?

Frontbar (dual-wield):
Relentless Focus, Evil Hunter, Mass Hysteria, Surprise Attack, Steel Tornado, Incap/Dawnbreaker

Backbar (2-hander):
Leeching Strikes, Vigor, Forward Momentum, Double Take, Rearming Trap, Soul Siphon

Leeching strikes paired with Serpent Mundus stone and escapist poisons takes care of stamina sustain.

Valykc · October 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

Frontbar (dual-wield):
Relentless Focus, Evil Hunter, Mass Hysteria, Surprise Attack, Steel Tornado, Incap/Dawnbreaker

Backbar (2-hander):
Leeching Strikes, Vigor, Forward Momentum, Double Take, Rearming Trap, Soul Siphon

Leeching strikes paired with Serpent Mundus stone and escapist poisons takes care of stamina sustain.

Awesome, I’ll have to give this a try before I make the switch to medium and see if this works for me and my playstyle. Seems like a solid build for open world solo PvP. Might take me a little to get used to the lower sustain but I imagine it’s all about waiting for the right time to attack and singling someone out. Thanks for the insight, greatly appreciated!

Spartabunny08 · October 2018

I'll give you an interesting build. My build for a survivor stamblade hybrid. Argonian with 5 med 1 heavy 1 light. Fortified brass and night mother's embrace with bloodspawn and double bows. Can get away 100% of the time as long as you don't overextend yourself. I have great fun with this and is my favorite build.

Valykc · October 2018

Spartabunny08 wrote: »

I'll give you an interesting build. My build for a survivor stamblade hybrid. Argonian with 5 med 1 heavy 1 light. Fortified brass and night mother's embrace with bloodspawn and double bows. Can get away 100% of the time as long as you don't overextend yourself. I have great fun with this and is my favorite build.

I like the fortified brass set as well. I think it’s underrated but will probably be seen in better light next patch with the evasion changes. Now that you mentioned this, I should try that out instead of Armor Master since shuffle is so dang expensive and I don’t think I’ll be interested in the lessened AOE damage when I could run deadly cloak for cheaper, have an extra damage DoT, and have the same results. Unless they lessen the cost of shuffle or boost the period of snare immunity, I won’t be slotting it and will instead opt for more resistances.

Thanks!