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High MMR BGs: Unkillable Heavy Armor Builds + Healstacking + Spin to Win/AOE. RIP Diversity.
Nyladreas
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ZOS I officially feel like you ruined the game with all your nerfs/buffs/rebalancing/yada yada yada...
High MMR BGs have become nothing but Steel Tornado Spam, Or Heavy Ground AOE with high resistance Heavy Builds...
Where's diversity anymore? Where are some interesting fights and interesting builds? All 3 teams fight on the same spot for 5 minutes before someone finally makes a mistake and miraculously dies. It was cool at first, seeing such even odds. But I really don't think that's fun anymore...
Not complaining about anything directly, just trying to vent my dissatisfaction with PvP devs. If this keeps going the way it is... I don't want to see this in a year.
Not to mention the Murkmire patch is full of stupid nerfs too, instead of buffs (which should always come before nerfs to even the class differences). Like some guy said in another thread here somewhere... "Wouldn't be surprised if ZOS had a Nerf wall to throw darts at."
Soldier of anguish is your solution btw? Great. Let's make every single person run the same exact set again and nothing else.
Edited by Nyladreas on October 2, 2018 8:55AM High MMR BGs have become nothing but Steel Tornado Spam, Or Heavy Ground AOE with high resistance Heavy Builds...
Where's diversity anymore? Where are some interesting fights and interesting builds? All 3 teams fight on the same spot for 5 minutes before someone finally makes a mistake and miraculously dies. It was cool at first, seeing such even odds. But I really don't think that's fun anymore...
Not complaining about anything directly, just trying to vent my dissatisfaction with PvP devs. If this keeps going the way it is... I don't want to see this in a year.
Not to mention the Murkmire patch is full of stupid nerfs too, instead of buffs (which should always come before nerfs to even the class differences). Like some guy said in another thread here somewhere... "Wouldn't be surprised if ZOS had a Nerf wall to throw darts at."
Soldier of anguish is your solution btw? Great. Let's make every single person run the same exact set again and nothing else.
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smashcats✭✭✭I just have to say, it makes no sense that Steel Tornado is even a good skill at all, why is a random aoe so powerful12 -
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✭✭I do have a problem with Steel Tornado, no aoe ability should be used as a spammable. It does as much dmg as single target abilities, and costs the same. It's also an execute.
Imo it should cost at least 5.5k stam, or it should have its dmg reduced by 20% or so."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Daedric_NB_187✭✭✭✭✭ToShiRoTayCho wrote: »Nerf steel tornado pls
This is now a #nerfsteeltornado thread. Carry on ladies and gentlemen.
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Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »ToShiRoTayCho wrote: »Nerf steel tornado pls
This is now a #nerfsteeltornado thread. Carry on ladies and gentlemen.
Its a nerf it all thread2 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ToShiRoTayCho wrote: »Nerf steel tornado pls
Sigh.. you do realize, that asking for them to nerf a single thing makes them nerf everything. See the incoming speed nerfs just because some wanted Swift nerfed, now everything giving speed is going to be shot with a nuclear missile and people are not happy. At all.7 -
Moonsorrow wrote: »ToShiRoTayCho wrote: »Nerf steel tornado pls
Sigh.. you do realize, that asking for them to nerf a single thing makes them nerf everything. See the incoming speed nerfs just because some wanted Swift nerfed, now everything giving speed is going to be shot with a nuclear missile and people are not happy. At all.
Am a frustrated magsorc i dont really care
#NerfAllThemStamSkills2 -
Darkenarlol✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is almost no diversity in competitive pvp in any mmo just because some setups are more effective
than any other which leads players using those effective setups to higher mmr.
So it is no wonder that on hi-mmr premades you meet same setups (the most effective ones, which brought their users
to hi mmr thru win streaks) leaving all funny setups diversity way behind ( with some exceptions when great players
rocks with no-meta setups but again it is just because they are great players with mad skillz)
The problem in ESO is that we can't chose what type of fight it gonna be due to built-in mmr(. So we can't choose what
kind of fight do we gonna get - a competitive leaderboard premade or random pug skirmish to try some funny builds or just to have some fun). Your character gonna generate that built-in mmr and occasionally you gonna end up with a choise -
-form meta premade to win
-pug and lose to meta-premade
-roll a new character who doesn't have stacked mmr...yet
Just imagine for a second how it could looks like in pve - your character who cleared a couple of normal randoms
is now forced to go into vet HM DLC without options left due to his stacked PVE mmr. You just can't go into normal or no-hm
vet anymore. If you want to go normals again - jump to fresh toon who have not cleared any dungeons yet. Funny, isn't it?
I suggest to remove built-in mmr and separate BG into 2 mods:
- skirmish - no mmr value, no special rewards (discussionable)
- gladiators arena - mmr, leaderboards, full premades only, special rewards
just stop forcing us and let everybody have their fun pleaseEdited by Darkenarlol on October 2, 2018 11:18AM8 -
Raammzzaa✭✭✭✭✭I agree with you. What I am most concerned about next patch is all of the nerfs to speed sets and abilities on the PTS. It seems like a massive nerf to small scale and solo PvP, and a gift to Zerg groups. It will become much harder to kite, LoS, and sustain in fights post nerf.2 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I really dislike the "hidden MMR-system". There should be two options when you queue for a BG. One option with MMR and one without. If you want to end up on the leaderboard and/or face people with the same MMR as you, you pick the MMR option. If you just want a BG, but accepting that you´ll face random players of all skill-levels, you pick the non-MMR option.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS I officially feel like you ruined the game with all your nerfs/buffs/rebalancing/yada yada yada...
High MMR BGs have become nothing but Steel Tornado Spam, Or Heavy Ground AOE with high resistance Heavy Builds...
Where's diversity anymore? Where are some interesting fights and interesting builds? All 3 teams fight on the same spot for 5 minutes before someone finally makes a mistake and miraculously dies. It was cool at first, seeing such even odds. But I really don't think that's fun anymore...
Not complaining about anything directly, just trying to vent my dissatisfaction with PvP devs. If this keeps going the way it is... I don't want to see this in a year.
Not to mention the Murkmire patch is full of stupid nerfs too, instead of buffs (which should always come before nerfs to even the class differences). Like some guy said in another thread here somewhere... "Wouldn't be surprised if ZOS had a Nerf wall to throw darts at."
Soldier of anguish is your solution btw? Great. Let's make every single person run the same exact set again and nothing else.
See, there's no PvP dev. They do not separate PvP from PvE. It's the same devs. That's why the complaint about PvP players nerfing PvE is somewhat true.
Because the devs change something with PvE in mind with almost no thought to PvP. It over/under performs in PvP. PvP players voice dissatisfaction. PvE players complain PvP players ruin everything. Rinse and repeat next update because there's no separate dev for PvP.
It's a vicious, never ending cycle that's not going to ever be solved as long as the same devs develop for both aspects of gameplay.4 -
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If you are too lazy to make a decent build like the ones killing you, then there is your answer~
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FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes the stam sorcs stam wardens with DB then just spinning like crazy while healer makes then not have to worry is annoying.
But when ur with a mdk stamdk sorc and magNB all solo ques and you rekt those meta plebs it feels great.2 -
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✭I do have a problem with Steel Tornado, no aoe ability should be used as a spammable. It does as much dmg as single target abilities, and costs the same. It's also an execute.
Imo it should cost at least 5.5k stam, or it should have its dmg reduced by 20% or so.
I don't mind it as an AoE in general. Especially since you are in melee range with the things you are attacking. From a PvE prospective, it can be dangerous if you pull aggro with it.
The thing I agree with, is it shouldn't be an execute. That is a bit OP imo in PvP.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »If you are too lazy to make a decent build like the ones killing you, then there is your answer~
Welcome to eso
#learntodie
Like I said in OP this is not a complain topic about builds in general. Or someone running something. I have a really good build myself. I just don't like same flavourless encounters over and over. 0 -
Its a combination of things tbh not just steel tornado. I think the real issue is that multiple things need to be nerfed at the same time or else your going to have a long pocket of time where another over-performing aspect of the game has nothing to counter it. So good luck to Zos trying to fix that headache2 -
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✭✭It's pretty much made it impossible to pug bg's for me. I still fair pretty well and end up with a decent score. But a decent solo score does not win matches when your team realizes how futile their effort is and stands at spawn in protest.
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✭I do have a problem with Steel Tornado, no aoe ability should be used as a spammable. It does as much dmg as single target abilities, and costs the same. It's also an execute.
Imo it should cost at least 5.5k stam, or it should have its dmg reduced by 20% or so.
because at one time it was the Devs answer to stamina being so absolutely garbage for PVE content. unfortunately, ZOS is in a state of homogenization. one of the problems is that in PVE stamina has always been a step behind magica in the Meta in the competitive realm.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thread complains about unkillable players and what suggestions does the ESO community come up with?I just have to say, it makes no sense that Steel Tornado is even a good skill at all, why is a random aoe so powerfulI do have a problem with Steel Tornado, no aoe ability should be used as a spammable. It does as much dmg as single target abilities, and costs the same. It's also an execute.
Imo it should cost at least 5.5k stam, or it should have its dmg reduced by 20% or so.ToShiRoTayCho wrote: »Nerf steel tornado pls
Nerf the one skill sometimes capable of actually killing people.
It's no wonder why ESO is in it's current state.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I just have to say, it makes no sense that Steel Tornado is even a good skill at all, why is a random aoe so powerful
Steel tornado will now do 25% less dmg to anyone with major evasion. That’s a huge nerfPC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
Stream: twitch.tv/THOGARDvsThePeasants
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Frawr✭✭✭✭✭ZOS I officially feel like you ruined the game with all your nerfs/buffs/rebalancing/yada yada yada...
High MMR BGs have become nothing but Steel Tornado Spam, Or Heavy Ground AOE with high resistance Heavy Builds...
Where's diversity anymore? Where are some interesting fights and interesting builds? All 3 teams fight on the same spot for 5 minutes before someone finally makes a mistake and miraculously dies. It was cool at first, seeing such even odds. But I really don't think that's fun anymore...
Not complaining about anything directly, just trying to vent my dissatisfaction with PvP devs. If this keeps going the way it is... I don't want to see this in a year.
Not to mention the Murkmire patch is full of stupid nerfs too, instead of buffs (which should always come before nerfs to even the class differences). Like some guy said in another thread here somewhere... "Wouldn't be surprised if ZOS had a Nerf wall to throw darts at."
Soldier of anguish is your solution btw? Great. Let's make every single person run the same exact set again and nothing else.
It is Wrobel and his combat team. 4 years of homogenisation and nerfing.2
