It's NOT Snipe, It's Focused Aim

Wreuntzylla · September 2018

I have a magplar with fortified brass in light, one chudan and one pirate's. Buffed, I have ~32k physical resistance, quite a bit more mag resist. The toon is built to wade into zergs with a friend. Have 3300 crit resist, normal CP spec, etc.

Lethal arrow is hitting me for around 3-4k.

I stepped out of Fort Ash today and a duo hit me with focused aim repeatedly for 8,700. I came back prepared, same thing. I messaged one of them and he said Spriggan's/Archer's Mind, 1 kena 1 velidreth.

Mind you, I have tried about every variation of sniper and run Marksman/Hawkeye with Lethal Arrow. I tested Lethal v. Focused and the damage difference was at best 1k. I also tested the sets the player told me about and it was complete poop.

So I had the gear. Not much change since I last tested with lethal. Ran to Mournhold, respec'd, my lowest hit has been 5k my highest 12.4k, most hits are 8.5ish.

Something is broken and it is connected to focused aim only.

susmitds · September 2018

I crit over 10k Lethal Arrow on tanks with vAS bow+Morag Tong+Marksman. It can get insane burst.

susmitds · September 2018

The reason Focused Aim can hit harder than Lethal Arrow is that, without the DoT, you can return to stealth.

Wreuntzylla · September 2018

It's none of that. Playing around with different sets, Marksman/Hawkeye performs slightly better than with lethal arrow, spriggans/marksman about the same, anything with Archer's Mind goes crazy.

susmitds · September 2018

You can't really beat vAS with anything. The burst is insane.

themaddaedra · September 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I have a magplar with fortified brass in light, one chudan and one pirate's. Buffed, I have ~32k physical resistance, quite a bit more mag resist. The toon is built to wade into zergs with a friend. Have 3300 crit resist, normal CP spec, etc.

Lethal arrow is hitting me for around 3-4k.

I stepped out of Fort Ash today and a duo hit me with focused aim repeatedly for 8,700. I came back prepared, same thing. I messaged one of them and he said Spriggan's/Archer's Mind, 1 kena 1 velidreth.

Mind you, I have tried about every variation of sniper and run Marksman/Hawkeye with Lethal Arrow. I tested Lethal v. Focused and the damage difference was at best 1k. I also tested the sets the player told me about and it was complete poop.

So I had the gear. Not much change since I last tested with lethal. Ran to Mournhold, respec'd, my lowest hit has been 5k my highest 12.4k, most hits are 8.5ish.

Something is broken and it is connected to focused aim only.

He/she is using Spriggan for physical penetration and focused aim also applies minor fracture. If you are playing a CP campaign the person would prolly have quite some points into physical penetration. So you are not sitting on the same resistances you mentioned.

In the same circumstances lethal arrow should deal similar damage. Try getting hit by a lethal Arrow under same penetration values, see if there's still this much difference.

Spriggan makes more difference on high resistance targets.

Wreuntzylla · September 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I have a magplar with fortified brass in light, one chudan and one pirate's. Buffed, I have ~32k physical resistance, quite a bit more mag resist. The toon is built to wade into zergs with a friend. Have 3300 crit resist, normal CP spec, etc.

Lethal arrow is hitting me for around 3-4k.

I stepped out of Fort Ash today and a duo hit me with focused aim repeatedly for 8,700. I came back prepared, same thing. I messaged one of them and he said Spriggan's/Archer's Mind, 1 kena 1 velidreth.

Mind you, I have tried about every variation of sniper and run Marksman/Hawkeye with Lethal Arrow. I tested Lethal v. Focused and the damage difference was at best 1k. I also tested the sets the player told me about and it was complete poop.

So I had the gear. Not much change since I last tested with lethal. Ran to Mournhold, respec'd, my lowest hit has been 5k my highest 12.4k, most hits are 8.5ish.

Something is broken and it is connected to focused aim only.

He/she is using Spriggan for physical penetration and focused aim also applies minor fracture. If you are playing a CP campaign the person would prolly have quite some points into physical penetration. So you are not sitting on the same resistances you mentioned.

In the same circumstances lethal arrow should deal similar damage. Try getting hit by a lethal Arrow under same penetration values, see if there's still this much difference.

Spriggan makes more difference on high resistance targets.

Keep reading...

themaddaedra · September 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I have a magplar with fortified brass in light, one chudan and one pirate's. Buffed, I have ~32k physical resistance, quite a bit more mag resist. The toon is built to wade into zergs with a friend. Have 3300 crit resist, normal CP spec, etc.

Lethal arrow is hitting me for around 3-4k.

I stepped out of Fort Ash today and a duo hit me with focused aim repeatedly for 8,700. I came back prepared, same thing. I messaged one of them and he said Spriggan's/Archer's Mind, 1 kena 1 velidreth.

Mind you, I have tried about every variation of sniper and run Marksman/Hawkeye with Lethal Arrow. I tested Lethal v. Focused and the damage difference was at best 1k. I also tested the sets the player told me about and it was complete poop.

So I had the gear. Not much change since I last tested with lethal. Ran to Mournhold, respec'd, my lowest hit has been 5k my highest 12.4k, most hits are 8.5ish.

Something is broken and it is connected to focused aim only.

He/she is using Spriggan for physical penetration and focused aim also applies minor fracture. If you are playing a CP campaign the person would prolly have quite some points into physical penetration. So you are not sitting on the same resistances you mentioned.

In the same circumstances lethal arrow should deal similar damage. Try getting hit by a lethal Arrow under same penetration values, see if there's still this much difference.

Spriggan makes more difference on high resistance targets.

Keep reading...

And?

Did you make exactly the same comparisons? Did you ask the person what cp he was using? Did you find a person with your build and hit them with the other person's build using both lethal and focused aim?

I kept reading and didn't see anything in that sense.

Edit: Typo.

Wreuntzylla · October 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I have a magplar with fortified brass in light, one chudan and one pirate's. Buffed, I have ~32k physical resistance, quite a bit more mag resist. The toon is built to wade into zergs with a friend. Have 3300 crit resist, normal CP spec, etc.

Lethal arrow is hitting me for around 3-4k.

I stepped out of Fort Ash today and a duo hit me with focused aim repeatedly for 8,700. I came back prepared, same thing. I messaged one of them and he said Spriggan's/Archer's Mind, 1 kena 1 velidreth.

Mind you, I have tried about every variation of sniper and run Marksman/Hawkeye with Lethal Arrow. I tested Lethal v. Focused and the damage difference was at best 1k. I also tested the sets the player told me about and it was complete poop.

So I had the gear. Not much change since I last tested with lethal. Ran to Mournhold, respec'd, my lowest hit has been 5k my highest 12.4k, most hits are 8.5ish.

Something is broken and it is connected to focused aim only.

He/she is using Spriggan for physical penetration and focused aim also applies minor fracture. If you are playing a CP campaign the person would prolly have quite some points into physical penetration. So you are not sitting on the same resistances you mentioned.

In the same circumstances lethal arrow should deal similar damage. Try getting hit by a lethal Arrow under same penetration values, see if there's still this much difference.

Spriggan makes more difference on high resistance targets.

Keep reading...

And?

Did you make exactly the same comparisons? Did you ask the person what cp he was using? Did you find a person with your build and hit them with the other person's build using both lethal and focused aim?

I kept reading and didn't see anything in that sense.

Edit: Typo.

If you kept reading you would see that's irrelevant since I posted the damage I was doing, which compared favorably. That's without Kragh's, my usual complement to kena...

The lower end was on certain wardens and I assume they were using major protection.

ChunkyCat · October 2018

I find this thread to be incredibly insightful.

I’ve always wondered which morph was better. Now I know to choose focused aim.

Thank you, kind sir.

BRogueNZ · October 2018

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I find this thread to be incredibly insightful.

I’ve always wondered which morph was better. Now I know to choose focused aim.

Thank you, kind sir.

Have a buddy spam poison Injection at the same time. I have a hard time learning to play against that combo.

Vicarra · October 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I have a magplar with fortified brass in light, one chudan and one pirate's. Buffed, I have ~32k physical resistance, quite a bit more mag resist. The toon is built to wade into zergs with a friend. Have 3300 crit resist, normal CP spec, etc.

Lethal arrow is hitting me for around 3-4k.

I stepped out of Fort Ash today and a duo hit me with focused aim repeatedly for 8,700. I came back prepared, same thing. I messaged one of them and he said Spriggan's/Archer's Mind, 1 kena 1 velidreth.

Mind you, I have tried about every variation of sniper and run Marksman/Hawkeye with Lethal Arrow. I tested Lethal v. Focused and the damage difference was at best 1k. I also tested the sets the player told me about and it was complete poop.

So I had the gear. Not much change since I last tested with lethal. Ran to Mournhold, respec'd, my lowest hit has been 5k my highest 12.4k, most hits are 8.5ish.

Something is broken and it is connected to focused aim only.

I have a similar setup currently on my magsorc, except I play in Sotha where CP doesn't apply. My physical resist is about 30k, my spell resist 32k. Lethal arrow typically hits me for about 4-5k, and crits for more.

themaddaedra · October 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I have a magplar with fortified brass in light, one chudan and one pirate's. Buffed, I have ~32k physical resistance, quite a bit more mag resist. The toon is built to wade into zergs with a friend. Have 3300 crit resist, normal CP spec, etc.

Lethal arrow is hitting me for around 3-4k.

I stepped out of Fort Ash today and a duo hit me with focused aim repeatedly for 8,700. I came back prepared, same thing. I messaged one of them and he said Spriggan's/Archer's Mind, 1 kena 1 velidreth.

Mind you, I have tried about every variation of sniper and run Marksman/Hawkeye with Lethal Arrow. I tested Lethal v. Focused and the damage difference was at best 1k. I also tested the sets the player told me about and it was complete poop.

So I had the gear. Not much change since I last tested with lethal. Ran to Mournhold, respec'd, my lowest hit has been 5k my highest 12.4k, most hits are 8.5ish.

Something is broken and it is connected to focused aim only.

He/she is using Spriggan for physical penetration and focused aim also applies minor fracture. If you are playing a CP campaign the person would prolly have quite some points into physical penetration. So you are not sitting on the same resistances you mentioned.

In the same circumstances lethal arrow should deal similar damage. Try getting hit by a lethal Arrow under same penetration values, see if there's still this much difference.

Spriggan makes more difference on high resistance targets.

Keep reading...

And?

Did you make exactly the same comparisons? Did you ask the person what cp he was using? Did you find a person with your build and hit them with the other person's build using both lethal and focused aim?

I kept reading and didn't see anything in that sense.

Edit: Typo.

If you kept reading you would see that's irrelevant since I posted the damage I was doing, which compared favorably. That's without Kragh's, my usual complement to kena...

The lower end was on certain wardens and I assume they were using major protection.

The damage you were doing to whom? With what CP? What's their build and what's yours? It's all in all hypotetical talking in there.

Maybe there really is something about focused aim but no way you can prove it like "i was hitting this and the person was hitting that" and so on. You need to use both morphs on exactly the same build against exactly the same build, then see if difference is that high.

IZZEFlameLash · October 2018

Both has one thing in common: bowtard's selection. Lethal Arrow hit just as hard as Focused Aim with added Major Defile as bonus.

Wreuntzylla · October 2018

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Both has one thing in common: bowtard's selection. Lethal Arrow hit just as hard as Focused Aim with added Major Defile as bonus.

Lol. The point of this thread is that it is not hitting for the same.

themaddaedra wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I have a magplar with fortified brass in light, one chudan and one pirate's. Buffed, I have ~32k physical resistance, quite a bit more mag resist. The toon is built to wade into zergs with a friend. Have 3300 crit resist, normal CP spec, etc.

Lethal arrow is hitting me for around 3-4k.

I stepped out of Fort Ash today and a duo hit me with focused aim repeatedly for 8,700. I came back prepared, same thing. I messaged one of them and he said Spriggan's/Archer's Mind, 1 kena 1 velidreth.

Mind you, I have tried about every variation of sniper and run Marksman/Hawkeye with Lethal Arrow. I tested Lethal v. Focused and the damage difference was at best 1k. I also tested the sets the player told me about and it was complete poop.

So I had the gear. Not much change since I last tested with lethal. Ran to Mournhold, respec'd, my lowest hit has been 5k my highest 12.4k, most hits are 8.5ish.

Something is broken and it is connected to focused aim only.

He/she is using Spriggan for physical penetration and focused aim also applies minor fracture. If you are playing a CP campaign the person would prolly have quite some points into physical penetration. So you are not sitting on the same resistances you mentioned.

In the same circumstances lethal arrow should deal similar damage. Try getting hit by a lethal Arrow under same penetration values, see if there's still this much difference.

Spriggan makes more difference on high resistance targets.

Keep reading...

And?

Did you make exactly the same comparisons? Did you ask the person what cp he was using? Did you find a person with your build and hit them with the other person's build using both lethal and focused aim?

I kept reading and didn't see anything in that sense.

Edit: Typo.

If you kept reading you would see that's irrelevant since I posted the damage I was doing, which compared favorably. That's without Kragh's, my usual complement to kena...

The lower end was on certain wardens and I assume they were using major protection.

The damage you were doing to whom? With what CP? What's their build and what's yours? It's all in all hypotetical talking in there.

Maybe there really is something about focused aim but no way you can prove it like "i was hitting this and the person was hitting that" and so on. You need to use both morphs on exactly the same build against exactly the same build, then see if difference is that high.

If your sample size is large enough, this is patently untrue. In PvP, high resists are endemic. So far I hit for 7.5-8k or greater on every target except for one warden and one whose class I am not sure of yet.

My greatest hit last night was for over 18k.

I expect that eventually my work will bear fruit and bring the tanks to the forums...

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I find this thread to be incredibly insightful.

I’ve always wondered which morph was better. Now I know to choose focused aim.

Thank you, kind sir.

I don't know the cause, but it at least doesn't appear to be Focused Aim alone. Try the gear combo posted above as well.

rfennell_ESO · October 2018

I guess the question would be are you talking crits or non crits?

A setup with focused aim, archer's mind, spriggans, shadow mundus, channeled acceleration and CP precise strikes + nightblade can get to beyond your critical resist stats.

That setup is 50%+15%(am)+10%(channeled)+13.73%(shadow mundus 7 divines)+10%(nightblade passive)+25%(precise strikes)+10%(bosmer) (well over 100% critical damage, not everything I believe in calculated the same from the grouping).

with

3450 (spriggans)+1320(minor fracture)+5280 (major fracture)+~5k(piercing CP)+2700 (sharpened)=20k reduction of armor.

Then you have the assorted +physical damage things (which should only affect base before critical modification damage, but who knows?)

Though the only real difference in damage between lethal and focused for them should be minor fracture (which shouldn't be alot). It's also possible that certain portions of +critical damage apply differently from stealth/invis for physical damage vs poison damage.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Archer's mind is 15% critical damage from stealth/invis and that's on top of 10% from being a bosmer (which says stealth, but isn't just stealth it's also invis).