The Elsweyr Chapter and Update 22 base game patch are now available to test on the PTS! You can read the full patch notes here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/pts
Maintenance for the week of April 22:
• [COMPLETE] PlayStation®4: EU megaserver for maintenance – April 22, 14:30 UTC (10:30AM EDT) - 16:30 UTC (12:30PM EDT)
• PC/Mac: NA and EU for maintenance – April 24, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC) – 8:00AM EDT (12:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®4: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – April 24, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC) – 8:00AM EDT (12:00 UTC)
• Xbox One: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – April 24, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC) – 12:00PM EDT (16:00 UTC)

(PC) My issue with Tamriel Trade Centre!

BigM
BigM
✭✭✭✭✭
Just wanted to comment about this add-on, Tamriel Trade Centre.

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1245-TamrielTradeCentre.html

Up until this add-on was introduced in the game I was making major gold in the game. Once this hit and finding my gold making took a major hit and blaming it on Guilds I was involved with turned out not to be the reason. You know thinking people were leaving the game for a different reason and so on. Turns out majority weren't leaving they were using Tamriel Trade Centre!

Now am old school, anything outside the game and being 3rd party was always a no-no. Thinking scams and stealing accounts.

I still have conflicts using it, but I finally installed it because all Guilds am associated with including my #1 best Guild ever http://www.grievancegaming.org/ (Never be without a Guild again, join today) said they were using the add-on.

My feeling is, it seems to be safe, but I would love if Zenimax would break down and run this themselves for security concerns. So am wondering how the majority of players feel about this add-on and should we be trusting any add-on running outside the game?

Right now it does seem to bring back my Gold making back to where it used to be.

So guys and gals what are your thoughts?

Also, anyone on PC NA/EU if you want to make Gold, join 5 Guilds and use this to make Gold. This is also available on Xbox and PS4.

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
― Stephen Hawking
  • qbit
    qbit
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think ZOS is going to comment on the safety of the addon as a matter of policy. You need to determine it yourself. It would be nice if the client.exe was opensource (maybe it is) so you could compile it yourself after reviewing the code.

    I have not had issues running the client.exe tool. I understand your concern. I am not at my PC at home to confirm, but I believe the executable is stored in the user profile path and does not require admin rights to run. Those are good indicators it's safe. I may be totally wrong about both those points since I'm not at my PC to confirm. If it prompts for admin elevation when you run it, there is more reason to be concerned but this is still not an immediate cause for concern (but in my opinion, it should never require admin rights for what it does).

    One would need to do some wireshark analysis or maybe decompile it to know for sure. Also, the functionality the client.exe provides could probably be done entirely in the LUA. I think other addons are able to upload data to servers without an executable running in the background. It may just be laziness on part of the addon author. Don't know. And haven't really answered your question. It would be nice if we could analyze the traffic from the client.exe. If we see none of it is encrypted and only goes to one server and we can see the data is just benign xml or whatever of item prices, then great. If it's all encrypted going to multiple IPs, etc. then maybe not. I've not checked it.

    Probably by now people would be up in arms if there was a security issue with TTC client.exe. But lack of that does not mean it's not got some malicious ability that hasn't been utilized yet. Better safe than sorry.

    Normal LUA addons surely cannot harm your system. As long as your not running eso64.exe with admin elevation. But who knows. The client.exe of TTC does concern me, but I still run it.
    PC-NA: @q.bit
  • SlippyCheeze
    SlippyCheeze
    ✭✭✭
    BigM wrote: »
    Up until this add-on was introduced in the game I was making major gold in the game. Once this hit and finding my gold making took a major hit and blaming it on Guilds I was involved with turned out not to be the reason. You know thinking people were leaving the game for a different reason and so on. Turns out majority weren't leaving they were using Tamriel Trade Centre!

    My feeling is, it seems to be safe, but I would love if Zenimax would break down and run this themselves for security concerns. So am wondering how the majority of players feel about this add-on and should we be trusting any add-on running outside the game?

    First, the in-game parts in lua are perfectly safe... or, at least, as safe as any other addon. ZOS have done a good job preventing the lua code from doing something nasty.

    The external client executable, which is required to upload data, and download calculated prices, is another matter, but if it really concerns you, you can simply use the web based client to do the exact same data exchange at https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/WebClient -- which lives happily in the browser sandbox, that you presumably trust enough to have posted this, and where you can inspect the data in the file you upload, and download, at your convenience.
    BigM wrote: »
    Right now it does seem to bring back my Gold making back to where it used to be.

    I'm honestly surprised to hear you say that. Most people seem to be super-mad that they can't take advantage of uneven distribution of knowledge, and sell things at popular locations for way more than people do at unpopular ones.

    I'm really glad, though, to hear that you are happy about it.

    Meanwhile, my thoughts? I think that it is absolutely inevitable that any game which forces players to use a non-global auction house ends up where ESO is right now: someone figures out a clever way around it, and produces a shittier version of a real global exchange point.

    Because "make trade inconvenient" is never something that players will accept, and it is an analogous problem to network security: the defender has to win every time, the attacker only has to win once. So no matter how hard you make it, people will keep trying to build these things, and succeed frequently enough to make it economically unviable.

    This will upset a small subset of users, who liked their ability to abuse uneven player knowledge for in-game advantages, and please another small-ish subset of users who will use that tool. That first set, of course, will never be happy.

    Building it into the game core will please almost all your users, once the shock of prices settling on a real market value, rather than an easily manipulated one, passes.
  • BigM
    BigM
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Building it into the game core will please almost all your users, once the shock of prices settling on a real market value, rather than an easily manipulated one, passes.

    This is what I would love to see and is why I needed to get back on the forums to debate this very issue and hope the developers listen and at least debate this among them self. Sadly I understand also how busy they are in creating and designing the game.

    I agree, yes it would please the majority of players. But at least we are talking and debating it. This is exactly what I wanted to do.

    This is also not a post to where I wanted the author of the add-on to feel am attacking them over it. In fact am happy they created it too show Zenimax how easy it could be where we also keep the five Guild option. I would just feel safer if Zenimax was the one controlling it.

    “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
    ― Stephen Hawking
  • Easily_Lost
    Easily_Lost
    ✭✭✭✭
    OP, if you are on PC just use Master Merchant ( http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info928-MasterMerchant.html ).
    PC - NA - AD
    PVE & Solo only

    Meet the LOST family: CP 810+ ( only took me 4 years to get to max CP )
    Easily Lost I - lvl 50 - Sorcerer High Elf
    Easily Lost II - lvl 50 - Sorcerer High Elf
    Easily Lost V - lvl 50 - Sorcerer High Elf
    Easily Lost X - lvl 50 - Warden Nord
    Forever Lost II - lvl 50 - Warden Redguard DC (oops)

    As you can tell I love Sorcerers and High Elves

    Proud user of the add-on NIRN AUCTION HOUSE

    CROWN CRATES: It doesn't affect gameplay, it's not mandatory, it's cosmetic only. If it helps to support the game and ZOS, I support it! Say YES to crown crates.
  • danno8
    danno8
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    BigM wrote: »
    So guys and gals what are your thoughts?

    My thoughts are I would never run around Tamriel for hours and hours to save a few thousand gold since you can just make a few thousand gold doing other things for a few hours.

    TTC actually lets you find a good price for an item while not wasting your time. That to me is fair and right, even though some people will undoubtedly not appreciate how it bites into their personal profits.

    Is the client.exe dangerous? Maybe. Who knows what someone might do with a program. That's true with every program, even with big "trusted" corporations that update their own software to include spying modules or tracking modules, or even social media sites that say one thing but do another, while apologizing over and over and promising to do better in the future, lol.

    My AV software says it's fine, and I haven't had any issues with it. I am willing to throw a little trust the authors way since it's been out for a year and a half without issue.
  • Danikat
    Danikat
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    OP, if you are on PC just use Master Merchant ( http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info928-MasterMerchant.html ).

    Master Merchant is better than TTC for price checks because it goes off sales instead of current listings (which will include insanely over-priced items that will never actually sell). But it can't tell you where to find something.

    That's the big advantage of TTC for me. For example this morning I realised my most recent blacksmith research has run out and I don't currently have any items I can research. I checked my guild stores and there was nothing there either (they're not trading guilds so there's never much but I prefer to buy from them when I can).

    So now I have 2 options:
    1) Pick a location, effectively at random and hope the traders there happen to have what I want and the prices aren't insane, and if not head to another location and start over until I happen to stumble across the items I want.
    2) Open the TTC site and search all the traders at once to find all the options then pick the best one/s and head straight there. Yes there's a chance the item will be gone by the time you get there, but if that happens you've got all the other listings to choose from still.

    The really nice part is you don't need the addon to do that, you only need it if you want to upload listings automatically. I have recently started using the addon because I thought if I'm using the site I should contribute to it. But I did check it out first to make sure it seemed safe, and I only have it running when I'm actually scanning a guild store.
    PC EU player. | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!

    "Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"
  • BigM
    BigM
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Danikat option 2 is exactly why I had to use it, I spend enough time fishing for the Perfect Roe, don't need to be running around to find what I want and should be able to get it faster.

    Yet, like I also said my gold incoming went way down couple months after this add-on went live. So competing with players from five guilds went poof and now I was competing with few thousand if not millions.

    One thing I would love is not having to put my game ID in so my sales can get uploaded. Which is why I would rather have Zenimax running it.

    Oh and yes I also use Master Merchant.
    Edited by BigM on August 19, 2018 12:33PM
    “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
    ― Stephen Hawking
  • Baertram
    Baertram
    ✭✭✭
    But isn't MasterMerchant only checking your 5 guilds whereas TTC is getting the data from the TTC servers (via the client.-exe, download->PirceTable.lua file is updated each day if you run the client) and thus has the data from the whole Tamriel world guiolds which participate into uploading their infos via the client, or editong them manually on the TTC website?

    So MasterMerchant is a kind of local price from your guilds and TTC a global auction house info.
  • TazESO
    TazESO
    ✭✭✭
    qbit wrote: »
    I don't think ZOS is going to comment on the safety of the addon as a matter of policy. You need to determine it yourself. It would be nice if the client.exe was opensource (maybe it is) so you could compile it yourself after reviewing the code.

    I have not had issues running the client.exe tool. I understand your concern. I am not at my PC at home to confirm, but I believe the executable is stored in the user profile path and does not require admin rights to run. Those are good indicators it's safe. I may be totally wrong about both those points since I'm not at my PC to confirm. If it prompts for admin elevation when you run it, there is more reason to be concerned but this is still not an immediate cause for concern (but in my opinion, it should never require admin rights for what it does).

    One would need to do some wireshark analysis or maybe decompile it to know for sure. Also, the functionality the client.exe provides could probably be done entirely in the LUA. I think other addons are able to upload data to servers without an executable running in the background. It may just be laziness on part of the addon author. Don't know. And haven't really answered your question. It would be nice if we could analyze the traffic from the client.exe. If we see none of it is encrypted and only goes to one server and we can see the data is just benign xml or whatever of item prices, then great. If it's all encrypted going to multiple IPs, etc. then maybe not. I've not checked it.

    Probably by now people would be up in arms if there was a security issue with TTC client.exe. But lack of that does not mean it's not got some malicious ability that hasn't been utilized yet. Better safe than sorry.

    Normal LUA addons surely cannot harm your system. As long as your not running eso64.exe with admin elevation. But who knows. The client.exe of TTC does concern me, but I still run it.



    Ahhhh, You had me at Wireshark. One of my favorite tools (I’m in IT). The packets don’t lie. 😁
Sign In or Register to comment.