Jabs and dawnbreaker whiffs

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Been noticing that jabs will not hit targets during high latency times in pvp... no miss text or damage text. Just disappearing straight in to oblivion. The same with dawnbreaker.

Thogard · September 2018

Your missing dawnbreakers:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tkCdxE-HOS8

brandonv516 · September 2018

If you used a different ultimate you'd notice it happens to the other ones too.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Your missing dawnbreakers:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tkCdxE-HOS8

Yeah I know db is an old bug... appreciate the video you did even though Zos didn't address it. The jabs missing are a huge pain as well. Hard to put pressure on all these warden skalk and forget builds running around cyro.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

If you used a different ultimate you'd notice it happens to the other ones too.

I play multiple classes and use a host of different ultimates and do agree somewhat to your statement. However, out of all of those db is the worst offender by far.

Koensol · September 2018

The dawnbreaker bug is beyond annoying. It tends to happen mostly on uneven terrain and when you AC it or use it immediately after a Dizzy + light attack. At least from my experience that is.

React · September 2018

Dawnbreaker has been beyond broken for nearly two years.

First it scaled with spell pen despite being physical damage, then they fixed that and made it 100% dodgeable by evasion and roll for a couple patches, then they fixed that and the "flashbang" bug was introduced to the game (animation cancel causing ult to disappear before damage registeres) which they have still yet to acknowledge. Over the past 3 patches, the main issue has become the fully broken targeting. It just misses for no reason whatsoever, very frequently. Its actually infuriating that 3/5 stam classes have NO CHOICE for another offensive ult, and are forced to use this broken p.o.s skill. Only warden and stamblade have other options and neither of those options fill the role that dawnbreaker does.

It's really about time zenimax hire some new developers.

daemonor · September 2018

I feel your pain, i leveled my stam warden for 3 days straight in hopes to have some fun in cyrodil and then i go in there with dizzy swing and dawnbreaker expecting to land something in a fluid combo....silly me

I tried for 1 hour then waited out the rest 1 hour 20 minutes for my artaneum food to expire and returned to bgs. Never again.

Rianai · September 2018

I think missing aoes are often caused by some kind of position desync, which means the players aren't where they seem to be on your screen and as a result they end up being out of range even though they appear to be in range. I have this issue mainly with Fear and Soul Tether, especially when the target runs away from me. I can stay right on top of them (seemingly) and those skills will still miss frequently.

A while ago someone posted some videos on the german forum, which display the issue quite well (will add the link later if i can find it).
Edit: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/comment/5349817/#Comment_5349817 The 2 vids show the same race between 2 players from both perspectives.

NyassaV · September 2018

Whenever I try and hit someone with jabs 2 out of the 4 jabs misses yet when I'm trying to get away from templar they almost 100% of the time hit me with all of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

usmguy1234 · September 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

Whenever I try and hit someone with jabs 2 out of the 4 jabs misses yet when I'm trying to get away from templar they almost 100% of the time hit me with all of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This 100%

Callous2208 · September 2018

I haven't hit anyone with a full jabs set in so long, I've forgotten what it feels like. I wonder if it hits hard. Probably does, would be nice to use it to its full potential again. The DB whiffing is also annoying since as a stamplar...ya know...what the hell else am I supposed to use?

Mintaka5 · September 2018

This explains EVERYTHING!

Jeezus I hope you guys got paid for all this excellent QA work you're doing for the devs.

I mean really?!?!?! Shouldn't a paid employee of ZOS be doing this?

Game is just buggy trash.

Toc de Malsvi · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Your missing dawnbreakers:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tkCdxE-HOS8

Yeah I know db is an old bug... appreciate the video you did even though Zos didn't address it. The jabs missing are a huge pain as well. Hard to put pressure on all these warden skalk and forget builds running around cyro.

The line of sight issue works with Acid Spray as well. Happens a lot trying to chase people down who are dropping off ledges or over walls.

NBrookus · September 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

Whenever I try and hit someone with jabs 2 out of the 4 jabs misses yet when I'm trying to get away from templar they almost 100% of the time hit me with all of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's like how cloak works for everyone but me.
And doors... I never make it through a door but everyone else does, right?

Joking aside, jabs are particularly difficult in lag, and I don't understand why Rending Slashes doesn't seem to be affected so badly?

Nicalas · September 2018

Defensive Rune if on any player in the aoe will eat an entire DB.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Nicalas wrote: »

Defensive Rune if on any player in the aoe will eat and entire DB.

Very nice catch. That would be a good bug to make a video on and post to the forums.

@Thogard feeling froggy?

leepalmer95 · September 2018

NBrookus wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Whenever I try and hit someone with jabs 2 out of the 4 jabs misses yet when I'm trying to get away from templar they almost 100% of the time hit me with all of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's like how cloak works for everyone but me.
And doors... I never make it through a door but everyone else does, right?

Joking aside, jabs are particularly difficult in lag, and I don't understand why Rending Slashes doesn't seem to be affected so badly?

I thought expert door entering was an AD passive?

Thogard · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Nicalas wrote: »

Defensive Rune if on any player in the aoe will eat and entire DB.

Very nice catch. That would be a good bug to make a video on and post to the forums.

@Thogard feeling froggy?

Not sure if that’s a bug or working as intended though...

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Thogard wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Nicalas wrote: »

Defensive Rune if on any player in the aoe will eat and entire DB.

Very nice catch. That would be a good bug to make a video on and post to the forums.

@Thogard feeling froggy?

Not sure if that’s a bug or working as intended though...

True. Rune is a hot mess to say the least. However, I feel it's safe to say that's a bug because if anything, it should protect only the user and not eat the whole thing.

del9 · September 2018

Also keep in mind that the missed LOS checks that cancel DBs mentioned in @Thogard video can be canceled by a hard CC. I don’t remember this happening as mu h in the past, but I has multiple DBs cancelled by a defensive rune last night. Another fun one misses last night was caused by the psijic rewind ultimate. Learn something new everyday!

usmguy1234 · September 2018

del9 wrote: »

Also keep in mind that the missed LOS checks that cancel DBs mentioned in @Thogard video can be canceled by a hard CC. I don’t remember this happening as mu h in the past, but I has multiple DBs cancelled by a defensive rune last night. Another fun one misses last night was caused by the psijic rewind ultimate. Learn something new everyday!

I had one disappear because a dk chained me right as i casted it. The animation fired about half way before I got pulled. Ult meter reset.

Donny_Vito · September 2018

Somehow all those Imperial Archer NPCs can hit me through trees and cliffs, regardless of elevation or LOS, with their arrows though.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Somehow all those Imperial Archer NPCs can hit me through trees and cliffs, regardless of elevation or LOS, with their arrows though.

Yeah. The flag guards can shoot fire through the resource outpost too.

del9 · September 2018

Nicalas wrote: »

Defensive Rune if on any player in the aoe will eat an entire DB.

This really needs to get a fix. I doub’t well see a fix for the LOS killing DBs. But this can be done and needs to be done. Maybe they can make it a true projectile like RC is on PTS

Although I’m still having trouble understanding how defensive rune cancels DBs when I hit someone with a db, since defensive rune is triggered from taking damage - and they don’t take the first tick. It’s also instant cast. Coding doesn’t add up to me.

moosegod · September 2018

Hopefully some of these issues with jab will be fixed with the change next patch. Dawnbreaker wiffs are pretty annoying but what really gets me is leap. It's impossible to land a leap in any sort of high latency situation. If the target is moving even a little bit, it won't register. It constantly happens on my DK to the point where I'm just gambling with the ult. I mean I sprout wings and fly to the player yet if they're just walking a little nothing happens (at least battle roar procs). Please fix my limp leaps.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

moosegod wrote: »

Hopefully some of these issues with jab will be fixed with the change next patch. Dawnbreaker wiffs are pretty annoying but what really gets me is leap. It's impossible to land a leap in any sort of high latency situation. If the target is moving even a little bit, it won't register. It constantly happens on my DK to the point where I'm just gambling with the ult. I mean I sprout wings and fly to the player yet if they're just walking a little nothing happens (at least battle roar procs). Please fix my limp leaps.

I'm hoping so... something I also noticed it that the magicka version of potl seems to never go off.

Thogard · October 2018

So this is new... I think I finally found one of my misplaced dawn breakers?

https://clips.twitch.tv/InnocentFragileSageTBCheesePull

Every time I think I understand the game, something like this happens

Why do the bugs always involve nightblades

usmguy1234 · October 2018

Thogard wrote: »

So this is new... I think I finally found one of my misplaced dawn breakers?

https://clips.twitch.tv/InnocentFragileSageTBCheesePull

Every time I think I understand the game, something like this happens

Why do the bugs always involve nightblades

@Thogard I noticed this too! I thought this was just a latency issue. Also, not just nightblades... it may be related to shuffle?