VaranisArano wrote: »

abigfishy wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Just wanted to recap how much inventory space players actually have without the crafting bag ... since these kinds of threads get somewhat tiring:

- 15 characters with in-game gold or crown purchased bag upgrades (up to 140 each character) = 2,100 slots
- Mount bag space upgrades (15 mounts x 60) = 900 slots
- Personal bank space (with upgrades & ESO+) = 480 slots
- Home storage bins = 360 slots

Total: 3,840

Personal Guild Banks = 500 slots each (up to 2,500); limit of 5 guild banks


If a player doesn't have any personal guild banks, we're still approaching 3,900 inventory slots ... not including the crafting bag or stacked inventory.

So, the first question for any player feeling constricted on inventory ... have you hit 3,840 character and bank slots yet? Even without ESO+ you’d only subtract the double bank space (240 slots).

If you can't manage what you have in that allotment of inventory slots that's your own fault [shrug].

Ah can you please use your excellent maths skills to tell me how much it would cost to get that amount of storage. For a typical player a bank of 100 (mostly full of mats) and 8 toons with 80 spaces each gives a total of 740 but unless you play your characters with 0 inventory spaces about half that is usable storage. Not everyone is a whale, the Tuna need storage space too.

Ooh, a math question?

I'm going to use my stats above, since mine aren't maxed but are fairly reasonable.

3 extra character slots: 4,500 crowns
Full bank space: 768,500 gold
8 characters at 110 bag spaces: 38,500 gold ea.
3 characters bags maxed: 194,700 gold ea.
All the housing storage: This I'm not certain of because I bought them with Writ Vouchers and I didnt pay attention to how much I spent. These cost 1,100 writ vouchers, so at approx. 500 gold per voucher, that was 550,000 gold total.

Total Slots: about 2000
My total cost: approximately 4,500 crowns and 2,210,600 gold.

Now, to be perfectly blunt, 2 million looks like a lot. I farm, a lot. Right now, I've got 6 million, and thats with me spending a lot on motifs and housing. If you have time to put into this game, making 2 million is definitely within reach.


So what can a "Tuna" player do? Use your 8 character slots. Be diligent with your mount training, that's 60 slots for only 15,000 gold on each character (over 60 days). Buy the cheaper bag space upgrades.

Most of all, a "Tuna" player needs to either make gold or subscribe. Thats really all there is to it. Either you farm, trade, and sell enough gold to build up your inventory enough to avoid much of the pain points of limited inventory OR you subscribe so mats are in the crafting bag and you get double bank space.

Thats by design, by the way. ZOS wants you to subscribe, or failing that, spend a lot of time grinding the gold to avoid the need to subscribe.

At first I didn't reply to your answer, because I honestly thought you were just trolling us. Now it looks a bit more like you're actually serious and you just seem to have a rather accepting approach to life.

First of all, yes, you're right, technically the game gives us a lot of inventory slots. But as others have pointed out, the absolute number of inventory slots is not the point of my complaint.

Let's go through the different aspects, apart from your "solution" being morbidly expensive:

• Character Slots: We'd be using character slots in a way they were not meant to be used. Apart from that it's very unpractical because relogging takes such a long time, you can't send items directly between characters (and always have to do it via the bank) and it gets increasingly complex to remember on which characters you had your items. I used this technique when I first started playing the game and I hated it. Moreover now I actually play on all my different characters, because after years of playing this game I enjoy the diversity of being able to play all of the 10 classes this game has.
• Personal Guild Bank: This is also not the way Guild Banks were meant to be used. I have a personal Guild Bank, but we can't expect every player to have one because it's a pain to get. Also it doesn't allow you to store bound set items, which are the core of the problem. BoE set items can be sold and re-bought, they're not the what's clogging up our banks.
• Home storage bins are nice, but they cost real money, which is a considerable investment for many players.
• Mount Riding Upgrades: Considering the fact that you'd want to put at least 30 if not 60 points into speed first to make riding less painful, that leaves you with a lengthy process of upgrading your space which only starts after the first month you're playing this game.

What I listed above is mostly from my personal perspective, an experienced player who has been playing this game since launch. Now let's look a the perspective of someone who starts the game fresh today. Let's say you spend a bit of money to get your first and only character to 100 slots and then you upgrade your bank to 160 slots. That's a reasonable monetary investment for the space you get, beyond that it starts to get expensive for a starting player. Having done that you've got 260 slots. That's it. In my opinion the game is unplayable with 260 slots, given how much crafting mats you get and how many set items drop. If such a player does not buy ESO plus, then he will spend half his time managing his inventory. And who wants to play a game where you spend half your time managing your inventory?

So basically this player HAS to buy ESO Plus to at least be able to enjoy the game. And that in my opinion is a questionable design choice. I use ESO Plus personally, and I don't mind it, because I enjoy the game and I am glad to support the company. But if I were to be a new player being quasi-forced to pay a monthly fee for a game that I already payed retail price for, that would drive me away from the game.

weedgenius wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Just wanted to recap how much inventory space players actually have without the crafting bag ... since these kinds of threads get somewhat tiring:

- 15 characters with in-game gold or crown purchased bag upgrades (up to 140 each character) = 2,100 slots
- Mount bag space upgrades (15 mounts x 60) = 900 slots
- Personal bank space (with upgrades & ESO+) = 480 slots
- Home storage bins = 360 slots

Total: 3,840

Personal Guild Banks = 500 slots each (up to 2,500); limit of 5 guild banks


If a player doesn't have any personal guild banks, we're still approaching 3,900 inventory slots ... not including the crafting bag or stacked inventory.

So, the first question for any player feeling constricted on inventory ... have you hit 3,840 character and bank slots yet? Even without ESO+ you’d only subtract the double bank space (240 slots).

If you can't manage what you have in that allotment of inventory slots that's your own fault [shrug].

How many people have fifteen characters, let alone fifteen characters with upgraded mounts? Your math is grossly unrealistic.

Add to that all loading screens from going cross characters and bank.

spoqster wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

abigfishy wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Just wanted to recap how much inventory space players actually have without the crafting bag ... since these kinds of threads get somewhat tiring:

- 15 characters with in-game gold or crown purchased bag upgrades (up to 140 each character) = 2,100 slots
- Mount bag space upgrades (15 mounts x 60) = 900 slots
- Personal bank space (with upgrades & ESO+) = 480 slots
- Home storage bins = 360 slots

Total: 3,840

Personal Guild Banks = 500 slots each (up to 2,500); limit of 5 guild banks


If a player doesn't have any personal guild banks, we're still approaching 3,900 inventory slots ... not including the crafting bag or stacked inventory.

So, the first question for any player feeling constricted on inventory ... have you hit 3,840 character and bank slots yet? Even without ESO+ you’d only subtract the double bank space (240 slots).

If you can't manage what you have in that allotment of inventory slots that's your own fault [shrug].

Ah can you please use your excellent maths skills to tell me how much it would cost to get that amount of storage. For a typical player a bank of 100 (mostly full of mats) and 8 toons with 80 spaces each gives a total of 740 but unless you play your characters with 0 inventory spaces about half that is usable storage. Not everyone is a whale, the Tuna need storage space too.

Ooh, a math question?

I'm going to use my stats above, since mine aren't maxed but are fairly reasonable.

3 extra character slots: 4,500 crowns
Full bank space: 768,500 gold
8 characters at 110 bag spaces: 38,500 gold ea.
3 characters bags maxed: 194,700 gold ea.
All the housing storage: This I'm not certain of because I bought them with Writ Vouchers and I didnt pay attention to how much I spent. These cost 1,100 writ vouchers, so at approx. 500 gold per voucher, that was 550,000 gold total.

Total Slots: about 2000
My total cost: approximately 4,500 crowns and 2,210,600 gold.

Now, to be perfectly blunt, 2 million looks like a lot. I farm, a lot. Right now, I've got 6 million, and thats with me spending a lot on motifs and housing. If you have time to put into this game, making 2 million is definitely within reach.


So what can a "Tuna" player do? Use your 8 character slots. Be diligent with your mount training, that's 60 slots for only 15,000 gold on each character (over 60 days). Buy the cheaper bag space upgrades.

Most of all, a "Tuna" player needs to either make gold or subscribe. Thats really all there is to it. Either you farm, trade, and sell enough gold to build up your inventory enough to avoid much of the pain points of limited inventory OR you subscribe so mats are in the crafting bag and you get double bank space.

Thats by design, by the way. ZOS wants you to subscribe, or failing that, spend a lot of time grinding the gold to avoid the need to subscribe.

At first I didn't reply to your answer, because I honestly thought you were just trolling us. Now it looks a bit more like you're actually serious and you just seem to have a rather accepting approach to life.

First of all, yes, you're right, technically the game gives us a lot of inventory slots. But as others have pointed out, the absolute number of inventory slots is not the point of my complaint.

Let's go through the different aspects, apart from your "solution" being morbidly expensive:

• Character Slots: We'd be using character slots in a way they were not meant to be used. Apart from that it's very unpractical because relogging takes such a long time, you can't send items directly between characters (and always have to do it via the bank) and it gets increasingly complex to remember on which characters you had your items. I used this technique when I first started playing the game and I hated it. Moreover now I actually play on all my different characters, because after years of playing this game I enjoy the diversity of being able to play all of the 10 classes this game has.
• Personal Guild Bank: This is also not the way Guild Banks were meant to be used. I have a personal Guild Bank, but we can't expect every player to have one because it's a pain to get. Also it doesn't allow you to store bound set items, which are the core of the problem. BoE set items can be sold and re-bought, they're not the what's clogging up our banks.
• Home storage bins are nice, but they cost real money, which is a considerable investment for many players.
• Mount Riding Upgrades: Considering the fact that you'd want to put at least 30 if not 60 points into speed first to make riding less painful, that leaves you with a lengthy process of upgrading your space which only starts after the first month you're playing this game.

What I listed above is mostly from my personal perspective, an experienced player who has been playing this game since launch. Now let's look a the perspective of someone who starts the game fresh today. Let's say you spend a bit of money to get your first and only character to 100 slots and then you upgrade your bank to 160 slots. That's a reasonable monetary investment for the space you get, beyond that it starts to get expensive for a starting player. Having done that you've got 260 slots. That's it. In my opinion the game is unplayable with 260 slots, given how much crafting mats you get and how many set items drop. If such a player does not buy ESO plus, then he will spend half his time managing his inventory. And who wants to play a game where you spend half your time managing your inventory?

So basically this player HAS to buy ESO Plus to at least be able to enjoy the game. And that in my opinion is a questionable design choice. I use ESO Plus personally, and I don't mind it, because I enjoy the game and I am glad to support the company. But if I were to be a new player being quasi-forced to pay a monthly fee for a game that I already payed retail price for, that would drive me away from the game.

I havent been playing the game since launch, only since it went Buy2Play. So yeah, Ive had time to rack up the gold to pursue alternatives to ESO+. New players, not so much.

I'm also very accepting of the fact that this game is designed to benefit the developers and their cash flow, not necessarily players new and old. Thats just how this world works, and its pretty obvious with ESO.

As long as inventory management pain encourages players, new and old, to subscribe or grind thats not a problem from the devs point of view. I'm a realist - they arent going to change that which makes them money or keeps people playing the game longer.

So I understand that basically forcing players to subscribe or farm 2 mil+ gold is bad for players, especially new players. I also understand that's exactly ZOS' intent, and therefore they wont change it. Ive chosen to farm the gold because I find farming really relaxing.

CGPsaint wrote: »

Each of my characters has a primary set of armor which is always the 5 body pieces. I then keep 2-3 other sets handy for different situations using the 3-piece jewelry and weapons.

For instance, my MagSorc Pet Build has the following:

5-Necropotence (body pieces)
4-Infallible Aether (3 jewelry & front bar staff)
4-Destruction Mastery (3 jewelry & front bar staff)
4-Shalks (3 jewelry & front bar staff)
1-vMA Lighting Staff (back bar)

2-Ilambris
2-Iceheart
2-Slimecraw

24 slots used.

If I don't use it, I decon it. Simple as that. The only exceptions I make there are with gold jewelry, which goes into one of my storage chests.

And why a QoL improvement bothers you that much. If I want to try a set and I manage to get it in the right trait, so I should just decon it because is a game flaw the inventory space not improving while they do manage to increase the number of elements to get every patch by the hundreds.

I wish the was a better way to navigate the inventory instead of scrolling just up or down....

Something that would be VERY EASY for ZOS to implement, and would greatly help inventory management, is having our characters available as services to place in our houses. Interacting with the alt would bring up her inventory just like the banker currently works.

I made a list of sets to keep and sets to decon/vendor. Once the bank gets close to full, its housecleaning time. Rinse, repeat. As other people have said on this thread, most of the sets you acquire are garbage and do not need to be hoarded

What about a way to store set pieces that resembles the way items are received in reward containers? Like Rewards for the Worthy boxes... you hold one container in your inventory and you can open it and take out the contents individually. Maybe all pieces of the same set being stored in one "set" container. Just brainstorming...

I don't mind having inventory space out the wazoo that I've bought, it's just kind of annoying to use addons in an attempt to manage X number of sets across X number of containers and X number of characters with multiple traits and enchants.

Collecting sets is fun but we could really use a next-level sort of gear management system to go with this hobby

RexyCat wrote: »

Add to that all loading screens from going cross characters and bank.

This is the crux of the situation I feel. Speed up the very lengthy time it takes to "request character load" for each character and it will smooth out gameplay for us with many alts considerably.

A set bag for bound items only with tabs of set names that split into armor, jewels and weapons would be nice, since some set items don't use set names. Needs to be virtually limitless like the craft bag for so many sets and characters to use too.