Sprint, major expedition, and 3 swift will put you at (or a hair above, with orc passives) the movement speed cap--no real need to build above the speed cap unless you plan on not having a way to cleanse snares and want to stay speedy when snared.

If I were to make a dedicated scrollrunning setup on DK, it would be prisoner's+darkstride. Cheap sprint from darkstride, and magicka from prisoners lets you flap wings a bunch to clear snares, cast igneous shield frequently to restore some stamina while sprinting, and cast race against time for even cheaper sprint.

Hmm, never mind... I completely forgot that Coldharbour stuff was available at the regional gear vendor. Just need one more ring!

Aurielle wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Sprint, major expedition, and 3 swift will put you at (or a hair above, with orc passives) the movement speed cap--no real need to build above the speed cap unless you plan on not having a way to cleanse snares and want to stay speedy when snared.

If I were to make a dedicated scrollrunning setup on DK, it would be prisoner's+darkstride. Cheap sprint from darkstride, and magicka from prisoners lets you flap wings a bunch to clear snares, cast igneous shield frequently to restore some stamina while sprinting, and cast race against time for even cheaper sprint.

Hmm, I hadn’t considered Prisoner’s, but it would definitely synergize well with DK. Just a pain to farm... I’m kicking myself now for not picking up the neck at the Golden yesterday.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Golden doesn't leave until this afternoon, you still have time. Go Go Go

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Sprint, major expedition, and 3 swift will put you at (or a hair above, with orc passives) the movement speed cap--no real need to build above the speed cap unless you plan on not having a way to cleanse snares and want to stay speedy when snared.

If I were to make a dedicated scrollrunning setup on DK, it would be prisoner's+darkstride. Cheap sprint from darkstride, and magicka from prisoners lets you flap wings a bunch to clear snares, cast igneous shield frequently to restore some stamina while sprinting, and cast race against time for even cheaper sprint.

OMG.

I wanted to test out the resource return while in combat, and hilarity ensued...

https://youtu.be/9_rkeWLXw8s

Can’t wait to swift out the last two jewellery pieces!

Kadoin wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Sprint, major expedition, and 3 swift will put you at (or a hair above, with orc passives) the movement speed cap--no real need to build above the speed cap unless you plan on not having a way to cleanse snares and want to stay speedy when snared.

If I were to make a dedicated scrollrunning setup on DK, it would be prisoner's+darkstride. Cheap sprint from darkstride, and magicka from prisoners lets you flap wings a bunch to clear snares, cast igneous shield frequently to restore some stamina while sprinting, and cast race against time for even cheaper sprint.

OMG.

I wanted to test out the resource return while in combat, and hilarity ensued...

https://youtu.be/9_rkeWLXw8s

Can’t wait to swift out the last two jewellery pieces!

I'm surprised ZOS hasn't nerfed Prisoner's yet to be honest. I'm glad though, because it would be extremely disappointing if they did...That set might see more use after the awful PTS changes for mag builds.

Eh, I don’t know that it would be all that useful on mag builds (or anything other than a dedicated speed build, for that matter). You need a large stamina pool to pull it off and need to invest in sprint cost reduction, which will basically make you hit like a wet noodle if on a mag DPS.

Either way, this is SO much fun. The beauty of pairing Prisoners with Darkstride is that I don’t even need to use well-fitted and can go full impen. That being said, I do have CP spent in sprint cost reduction... I might pick up a few more pieces in well-fitted to distribute more points in Tumbling and Shadow Ward. Thanks again, @DeadlyRecluse .

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Sprint, major expedition, and 3 swift will put you at (or a hair above, with orc passives) the movement speed cap--no real need to build above the speed cap unless you plan on not having a way to cleanse snares and want to stay speedy when snared.

If I were to make a dedicated scrollrunning setup on DK, it would be prisoner's+darkstride. Cheap sprint from darkstride, and magicka from prisoners lets you flap wings a bunch to clear snares, cast igneous shield frequently to restore some stamina while sprinting, and cast race against time for even cheaper sprint.

OMG.

I wanted to test out the resource return while in combat, and hilarity ensued...

https://youtu.be/9_rkeWLXw8s

Can’t wait to swift out the last two jewellery pieces!

I realize you're casting on a fairly regular basis, but sheath your weapon in between for an even larger speed boost.

I thought they patched that out a long time ago? I want to say October 2016.

EDIT: yep, patched out with 1 tamriel. See post 12 here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294849/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-6-4-update-12-one-tamriel#latest

Unless it's a Cyrodiil only thing, it should make a difference.

It definitely is noticeable in Tamriel proper (I even do this when fighting Xalnur in RoM to get a little further when running spice.)

I did a text search (sprint, sheath, running) in those patch notes. What am I missing?

EDIT: Found the proposed fix:
Fixed an issue where your character’s movement speed was 10% slower when your weapons were unsheathed.

But it's most definitely still present. You move faster when weapons are sheathed. (Perhaps they reverted down the line?)

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Sprint, major expedition, and 3 swift will put you at (or a hair above, with orc passives) the movement speed cap--no real need to build above the speed cap unless you plan on not having a way to cleanse snares and want to stay speedy when snared.

If I were to make a dedicated scrollrunning setup on DK, it would be prisoner's+darkstride. Cheap sprint from darkstride, and magicka from prisoners lets you flap wings a bunch to clear snares, cast igneous shield frequently to restore some stamina while sprinting, and cast race against time for even cheaper sprint.

OMG.

I wanted to test out the resource return while in combat, and hilarity ensued...

https://youtu.be/9_rkeWLXw8s

Can’t wait to swift out the last two jewellery pieces!

I realize you're casting on a fairly regular basis, but sheath your weapon in between for an even larger speed boost.

I thought they patched that out a long time ago? I want to say October 2016.

EDIT: yep, patched out with 1 tamriel. See post 12 here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294849/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-6-4-update-12-one-tamriel#latest

Unless it's a Cyrodiil only thing, it should make a difference.

It definitely is noticeable in Tamriel proper (I even do this when fighting Xalnur in RoM to get a little further when running spice.)

I did a text search (sprint, sheath, running) in those patch notes. What am I missing?

EDIT: Found the proposed fix:
Fixed an issue where your character’s movement speed was 10% slower when your weapons were unsheathed.

But it's most definitely still present. You move faster when weapons are sheathed. (Perhaps they reverted down the line?)

Not 100% sure! It's hard to test...I know there's an addon that uses a weird ad hoc method to measure speed, but I've never messed around with it.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@DeadlyRecluse Well, I'm gonna say they did fix it. Tried on both stam and mag characters, and while the running animation appears to be faster sheathed, the actual run time matches up pretty consistently.

Xalnur must just be a perception thing on my end.

Tested via time and distance (to see if for some reason it used more stam with weapons out.)

So turns out, it's dealer's choice! Keep the weapons out for skill that need casting

I know what you mean; it SEEMS like sprint is every so slightly faster when weapons are sheathed, but I think that’s an optical illusion created by the way your character is positioned with weapons sheathed vs unsheathed. I find the same thing with mounts. My senches seem faster than my horses, but I expect that’s because they’re lower to the ground and have smoother animations.

ETA: oh, and even though there’s no speed increase with weapons sheathed, I do get the benefit of seeing my orc zipping around with a beer mug in her hand.

Runschei wrote: »

I would rather do Fiords and Darkstride + maneuver.

That could be fun too, though I have to say, I’m loving Prisoners and Darkstride. I sprinted ALL THE WAY from the EP gate to Black Boot and only had to ask for one shard — and that’s because I got distracted and forgot to cast Igneous Shield at one point. I always had enough stam to dodge roll and cast Absorb Magic/Vigor when needed, and Prisoners ensured that I always had enough magicka to spam wings and shake off ranged attacks.

Also good is the Khajiit (Orc would be better ofc) stamina warden with full Darkstride medium armor and Prisoner's Rags jewellery (blue are good too) and weapons.

While retreating or running with a scroll, each few seconds hit Falcon's Swiftness to get Major Expedition, plus you may keep the Warden's anti-projectile shield all the time up.

The cool thing is that while holding Shift+arrow for running (my combination of keys) when I use Falcon's or Shield, the run speen of my cat isn't usually broken (not working all the time), thus we have costless running on major expedition with shielding .