The squishiest class in PVE?

Kuramas9tails · September 2018

I been playing for 3 years (what am I doing with my life) and I was always under the impression Stamblade, in PVE, were always the squishiest high DD there was but someone told me today that a Stamblade can solo every Vet (non dlc) dungeons there is. This is going by bis race. Now I know every player is different and CP and content can make or break what is squishy but let’s go without CP and class/race exclusively.

Which has the least resistance but high damage reguarding class and passives alone?

Mister_DMC · September 2018

Lol yeah I think I've seen you in rawlkha for probably the last 3 years...

Anyways if built entirely for damage in a glass cannon build my vote would go to stamblade. In the min max setup they have no heals except whatever they get from leeching strikes. But keep in mind that anything can be "built" to solo vet dungeons it will just be a case of which is easier.

Valrien · September 2018

Squishiest? I'd probably go with something like Stam DK or after the next DLC Mag Sorc

Sparr0w · September 2018

Magsorcs as standard don't have access to major ward/resolve, have heals equating to 10% hp on a proc, plus bis setup runs with 14-15k hp.

Kuramas9tails · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Squishiest? I'd probably go with something like Stam DK or after the next DLC Mag Sorc

Really? I though the DK passives would have helped with resistance? I do think their rotation is a bit harder than that of a stamblade.

Valrien · September 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Squishiest? I'd probably go with something like Stam DK or after the next DLC Mag Sorc

Really? I though the DK passives would have helped with resistance? I do think their rotation is a bit harder than that of a stamblade.

Actually no, now that I think about it it's probably Stamblade for Stam. I wasn't considering the passives

Kuramas9tails · September 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Magsorcs as standard don't have access to major ward/resolve, have heals equating to 10% hp on a proc, plus bis setup runs with 14-15k hp.

I guess it depends on the Magsorc build. My pet sorc (with twilight and the little scamp) has instant heals that has saved my butt in VMA several times. My boyfriend and I will sometimes run the same pet build through content to heal each other.

Kuramas9tails · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Squishiest? I'd probably go with something like Stam DK or after the next DLC Mag Sorc

Really? I though the DK passives would have helped with resistance? I do think their rotation is a bit harder than that of a stamblade.

Actually no, now that I think about it it's probably Stamblade for Stam. I wasn't considering the passives

Passives are a big thing. That is why you will see mostly DK tanks over others. Their passives are nice for that reason. Not to say other classes can't tank.

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Lol yeah I think I've seen you in rawlkha for probably the last 3 years...

Anyways if built entirely for damage in a glass cannon build my vote would go to stamblade. In the min max setup they have no heals except whatever they get from leeching strikes. But keep in mind that anything can be "built" to solo vet dungeons it will just be a case of which is easier.

If you see me there, it's because my boyfriend and guild mates chill out there. lol. But yeah, Stamblades also have access to vigor which, when I am on my Stamblades, ticks REALLY nicely. Doesn't mean I can stand in lava and spam the heck out of it like I am spam my shields on my mageblade but it's still a nice HOT when taking gradual damage and dodging damage.

Sparr0w · September 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Magsorcs as standard don't have access to major ward/resolve, have heals equating to 10% hp on a proc, plus bis setup runs with 14-15k hp.

I guess it depends on the Magsorc build. My pet sorc (with twilight and the little scamp) has instant heals that has saved my butt in VMA several times. My boyfriend and I will sometimes run the same pet build through content to heal each other.

Ahh I was on about the non-pet build, sustain is literally impossible without witchmothers which leaves health really low... think I have 14.1k health, am missing undaunted passives tho

Starlock · September 2018

Just speaking from early experiences playing the game - before One Tamriel was a thing and before CP were a thing - I had two characters I was working on.

One was my lightning mage (magsorc) who I still have today. I had a lot of trouble with him initially because he had no way to heal himself or prevent damage until quite late in his development. After he learned a shield and could heal from critical damage, he became considerably easier to play. As such, I wouldn't describe him as squishy except during some growing pains. He runs thunderbug's carapace too, so that makes a difference.

One was the first iteration of my artificer, who at that time I built as a stamina DK. I figured the earthy/fire themes would fit the character of a craftsman, right? I had a lot of trouble with him initially too, because he also had no way to heal himself or prevent damage. Except it didn't really get better as he leveled. Life without rally was pain. Life with rally was... manageable, but noticeably inferior to my lightning mage in terms of survivability. I ended up recreating him as a stamina templar and ultimately deleted the stamina DK version of him. I don't know that I'll try to build a stamina DK again.

These days, I wager the experience would be entirely different. There's battle leveling, for one. I have max CP, for two. Those who don't prioritize skill selection based on a character concept would have different experiences than me as well.

Gythral · September 2018

clearly it is <you know whos> current toon

mocap · September 2018

none of them if you know mechanics. All of them if you get oneshot.

TheInfernalRage · September 2018

Any class naked, without CP, and with no passives on. Squish.

LadyNalcarya · September 2018

Any stam class without vigor (except for wardens and maybe stamsorcs) or mag class without shields or heals.
Stamblades have very high dps potential so they can kill most of things before they can hurt them.

Drdeath20 · September 2018

Stam dk are squishy

Arkangeloski · September 2018

That depends, before or after the pts changes go live

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codestripper · September 2018

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Any stam class without vigor (except for wardens and maybe stamsorcs) or mag class without shields.

A sorc without shields ain't too bad as long as your crit is decently high. You basically just have to play it like a stamsorc, minus the stamina, speed, and higher burst that comes with being a stamsorc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-4AreTl6b4

Shezzarrine · September 2018

From someone who has played endgame on both, stamDK is significantly squishier than stamblade, regardless of the resistance passives. But the squishiest dps of all is magDK, melee with no sheilds and light armor is no bueno.

Valrien · September 2018

codestripper wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Any stam class without vigor (except for wardens and maybe stamsorcs) or mag class without shields.

A sorc without shields ain't too bad as long as your crit is decently high. You basically just have to play it like a stamsorc, minus the stamina, speed, and higher burst that comes with being a stamsorc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-4AreTl6b4

Don't forget the healing from Vigor and Forward Momentum

Imperial_Voice · September 2018

Ive seen some pretty squishy MagBlades. Seems like you either know that class like the back of your hand or you play it like a glass cannon.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2018

This patch, Stam DK. Next patch, one of the magic classes. On paper it wont be mag sorc because they do have passive healing, that said, a good portion of the Groupfinder playerbase are mag sorcs with l2P issues. Could get very interesting next patch.

At the extreme end of things next patch, it will be magic nightblade as they wont have any heals to speak of if they go full glass cannon other than siphoning attacks.

Sparr0w · September 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This patch, Stam DK. Next patch, one of the magic classes. On paper it wont be mag sorc because they do have passive healing, that said, a good portion of the Groupfinder playerbase are mag sorcs with l2P issues. Could get very interesting next patch.

At the extreme end of things next patch, it will be magic nightblade as they wont have any heals to speak of if they go full glass cannon other than siphoning attacks.

I already go full glass cannon

Only heal is siphoning, rip me next patch.

On paper tho, full dps setup, magNB with 15k hp gets 1k hps from siphoning. FragSorc with 15k HP gets 1.5k heal every time frags procs (say 3-4 seconds?) so about 400-500 hps?

LadyNalcarya · September 2018

codestripper wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Any stam class without vigor (except for wardens and maybe stamsorcs) or mag class without shields.

A sorc without shields ain't too bad as long as your crit is decently high. You basically just have to play it like a stamsorc, minus the stamina, speed, and higher burst that comes with being a stamsorc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-4AreTl6b4

vMA might be difficult for a casual player, but it was released in 2016 (or was it 2015?). Back in Orsinium patch, only sorcs had shields that blocked all incoming damage (harness magicka was limited to magic damage). So yeah, its doable without shields because it was designed for shieldless chars to begin with. This is why it used to be significantly easier on a magsorc.

New content, such as vAS or vCR, is designed for chars with shields, there's a lot of unavoidable damage and you're often not in healer's range. So I'm still not convinced.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This patch, Stam DK. Next patch, one of the magic classes. On paper it wont be mag sorc because they do have passive healing, that said, a good portion of the Groupfinder playerbase are mag sorcs with l2P issues. Could get very interesting next patch.

At the extreme end of things next patch, it will be magic nightblade as they wont have any heals to speak of if they go full glass cannon other than siphoning attacks.

I already go full glass cannon Only heal is siphoning, rip me next patch.

On paper tho, full dps setup, magNB with 15k hp gets 1k hps from siphoning. FragSorc with 15k HP gets 1.5k heal every time frags procs (say 3-4 seconds?) so about 400-500 hps?

@Sparr0w
Yep. Not a lot of difference. I think this does illustrate a somewhat ironic point. People go crazy because they see 8 NBs atop the leaderboards. They rage about all their self healing and shield spammin and cry that healers arent needed. They fail to realize that those 8 NBs arent running shields so they have room for minor force, they arent running funnel health so they can run elemental weapon, they arnet even running refreshing path, opting for a bit more DPS from twisting.

What's actually happening is that they just have really good healers...

mr_wazzabi · September 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This patch, Stam DK. Next patch, one of the magic classes. On paper it wont be mag sorc because they do have passive healing, that said, a good portion of the Groupfinder playerbase are mag sorcs with l2P issues. Could get very interesting next patch.

At the extreme end of things next patch, it will be magic nightblade as they wont have any heals to speak of if they go full glass cannon other than siphoning attacks.

What about swallow soul? Still a decent heal. Unless full glass cannon means using elemental weapon or force pulse, then yes, that will be the squishiest class.