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Thalidar
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Okay I raised in another post that I found it weird how the event is given to every player who logs in who has the Summerset chapter, they don't have to even do the event, and even tho players who don't contribute and even weirder it includes a period of 7 days after the so called event finishes so have no way of actually contributing to it. So basically they're giving everyone who purchased it an opportunity to get it even if they don't contribute to it's actual completion of the event.

So why is this?

Now the cynic/marketing side of me has just realised that they can now sell the Summerset chapter after the event finishes and include in it

The Pony
The Horse
The Psijic villa

and no one can argue over it! We've all been given the option to get them at no cost, and it's us who are determining whether we get there or not. As such this opens the door to them offering the extras as free give away's, basically usable as an incentive to those who want to purchase the chapter in the future.

This would explain the time frames of including the extra week and is an extremely clever way of manipulating what would have been an extremely angry mob by those who already had the chapter. Basically forcing existing players who already have it to buy another upgrade pack if we don't get to 100% whilst new players get it for free.

I hope this isn't the case but I've seen enough companies do this to not rule it out here.

Thalidar
  • JJBoomer
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    lol, i mean, that sounds possible.

    as well as them selling the house to us at a pitiful discount as compensation for our arranged failure, i think thats possible too.

    but we'll see.
    Edited by JJBoomer on September 23, 2018 8:16PM
  • pauli133
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    This isn't what they'll do.
  • EvilCroc
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    It is genious marketing strategy. And it does not annoy me.
  • FlyingSwan
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    That's not what they will do. Far simpler to call the event a 100% success then market it in the post-event window to mop up those people who were sitting on the sidelines. The event will be a success otherwise it's the same as saying, "oh, don't buy Summerset now, clearly not enough people playing the content to finish the event, best off leaving this one out of your collection", and no marketing team would do that.

    The event will be a resounding success (no matter what) and Summerset will be heavily marketed in the post event period.
  • Acrolas
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    I don't believe Chapter purchase incentives will extend to the DLC versions of that content.
    signing off
  • JumpmanLane
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    It’s actually a great way to do it. Basically ZOS will give all owners of Summerset a house a pet and a mount, while encouraging others to buy it. They are giving ESO plus members new things too. All makes sense as ZOS is a money making game.
  • Danikat
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    I don't understand what you mean by them forcing existing players to buy another upgrade pack. You can't buy Summerset again - it won't let you apply a 2nd code for something you already have.

    I'm sure, if we succeed, they'll advertise it during the last week as 'buy Summetset now and get these free extras', just like they did with the Morrowind Nix-ox. The only difference was that didn't require anything from existing players, you just had to own the expansion by the deadline to qualify.

    I really don't understand all the paranoia and conspiracy theories around this. It's an extremely simply marketing technique with obvious benefits for ZOS (artificially raising player activity and an extra incentive for people to buy Summetset during the sale). I don't understand why there has to be some kind of sinister secret plot to trick us when there's a very clear, obvious benefit already.
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  • BlackSparrow
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    Maybe. Probably not, but maybe.

    And on the slim chance that it does go down that way, there will be complaining about ZO$ on the forums and subsequent ragequits, and then the game will continue on, just as it always does. If it did happen that way, it would be far from the worst thing ZOS has done (I'm thinking of the hidden, unbuyable crown crate mounts. Ugh.)

    Honestly, I'm happy getting the free stuff (and PRETTY free stuff!) just for completing a free, easy achievement. And if they end up putting the house up for sale if we don't make it, maybe I'll think about buying it if it's any good. That's literally the worst that could happen to those of us who already own Summerset.

    What happens will happen. Don't catastrophize about something like this. It's not worth the grey hairs.
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  • Tandor
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    Danikat wrote: »
    I don't understand what you mean by them forcing existing players to buy another upgrade pack. You can't buy Summerset again - it won't let you apply a 2nd code for something you already have.

    I'm sure, if we succeed, they'll advertise it during the last week as 'buy Summetset now and get these free extras', just like they did with the Morrowind Nix-ox. The only difference was that didn't require anything from existing players, you just had to own the expansion by the deadline to qualify.

    I really don't understand all the paranoia and conspiracy theories around this. It's an extremely simply marketing technique with obvious benefits for ZOS (artificially raising player activity and an extra incentive for people to buy Summetset during the sale). I don't understand why there has to be some kind of sinister secret plot to trick us when there's a very clear, obvious benefit already.

    Because the internet is full of wacky conspiracy theorists, and ZOS seem to attract more than their fair share of them :wink: !
  • Turelus
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    Tandor wrote: »
    Danikat wrote: »
    I don't understand what you mean by them forcing existing players to buy another upgrade pack. You can't buy Summerset again - it won't let you apply a 2nd code for something you already have.

    I'm sure, if we succeed, they'll advertise it during the last week as 'buy Summetset now and get these free extras', just like they did with the Morrowind Nix-ox. The only difference was that didn't require anything from existing players, you just had to own the expansion by the deadline to qualify.

    I really don't understand all the paranoia and conspiracy theories around this. It's an extremely simply marketing technique with obvious benefits for ZOS (artificially raising player activity and an extra incentive for people to buy Summetset during the sale). I don't understand why there has to be some kind of sinister secret plot to trick us when there's a very clear, obvious benefit already.

    Because the internet is full of wacky conspiracy theorists, and ZOS seem to attract more than their fair share of them :wink: !
    In fairness as rational as I normally am, I looked at that bar with a little cynicism. ZOS marketing knows how to market things, and sadly they've quite often done so at our expense. Sadly now everything that's nice I still am looking for the catch.

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  • Elsterchen
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    Thalidar wrote: »
    Okay I raised in another post that I found it weird how the event is given to every player who logs in who has the Summerset chapter, they don't have to even do the event, and even tho players who don't contribute and even weirder it includes a period of 7 days after the so called event finishes so have no way of actually contributing to it. So basically they're giving everyone who purchased it an opportunity to get it even if they don't contribute to it's actual completion of the event.

    So why is this?

    Now the cynic/marketing side of me has just realised that they can now sell the Summerset chapter after the event finishes and include in it

    The Pony
    The Horse
    The Psijic villa

    and no one can argue over it! We've all been given the option to get them at no cost, and it's us who are determining whether we get there or not. As such this opens the door to them offering the extras as free give away's, basically usable as an incentive to those who want to purchase the chapter in the future.

    This would explain the time frames of including the extra week and is an extremely clever way of manipulating what would have been an extremely angry mob by those who already had the chapter. Basically forcing existing players who already have it to buy another upgrade pack if we don't get to 100% whilst new players get it for free.

    I hope this isn't the case but I've seen enough companies do this to not rule it out here.

    Thalidar

    And I think its fine. Just look back to early access pack, just after beta. -> The so-called beta-monkey was given away with this pack, even to those that did not participate in the beta at all.

    Did that hurt anyone?

    No.

    edit: I fail to see how taking part in a community event entitles anyone to think they are better/have achieved more/deserve ... anything.
    Edited by Elsterchen on September 24, 2018 7:55AM
  • craftycarper73
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    it is whats commonly known as a fix, if it isn't why dont we know this "magic" number? All we see is a slider bar that Zo$ can manipulate at will.
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  • Waseem
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    if you dont like the event dont participate
    I had summerset and done this pathfinder thing, why would I feel forced to buy summerset for an alt account?
    I did my part and thats it for me
    90% of the community is hyped over absolutely nothing. that bar is a hoax
    Edited by Waseem on September 24, 2018 8:06AM
  • starkerealm
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    Elsterchen wrote: »
    Thalidar wrote: »
    Okay I raised in another post that I found it weird how the event is given to every player who logs in who has the Summerset chapter, they don't have to even do the event, and even tho players who don't contribute and even weirder it includes a period of 7 days after the so called event finishes so have no way of actually contributing to it. So basically they're giving everyone who purchased it an opportunity to get it even if they don't contribute to it's actual completion of the event.

    So why is this?

    Now the cynic/marketing side of me has just realised that they can now sell the Summerset chapter after the event finishes and include in it

    The Pony
    The Horse
    The Psijic villa

    and no one can argue over it! We've all been given the option to get them at no cost, and it's us who are determining whether we get there or not. As such this opens the door to them offering the extras as free give away's, basically usable as an incentive to those who want to purchase the chapter in the future.

    This would explain the time frames of including the extra week and is an extremely clever way of manipulating what would have been an extremely angry mob by those who already had the chapter. Basically forcing existing players who already have it to buy another upgrade pack if we don't get to 100% whilst new players get it for free.

    I hope this isn't the case but I've seen enough companies do this to not rule it out here.

    Thalidar

    And I think its fine. Just look back to early access pack, just after beta. -> The so-called beta-monkey was given away with this pack, even to those that did not participate in the beta at all.

    Did that hurt anyone?

    No.

    edit: I fail to see how taking part in a community event entitles anyone to think they are better/have achieved more/deserve ... anything.

    As I recall, the early access pack had the Scuttler, not the Monkey.
  • Thalidar
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    Waseem wrote: »
    if you dont like the event dont participate

    I don't have any issue with participating in the event, (I've done it on both servers) I want everyone to get the house. I've just never seen this weird style of rewarding before. Only games I've ever played where you get free rewards, require you to actually take part in the achievement/event. It's hardly an event if you get the reward even if you don't participate.

    It seems like you guys are use to this, but I've definitely never experienced a giveaway where you get a reward just by owning an extra part of the game.

    It's actually extremely clever marketing, and no matter what we're still getting something for free for just a few hours of running around summerset. I'll just be disappointed if we have to pay crowns for a house, and ZOS then throws it in as a free-be for new summerset packs sold after the event, in the event we don't get the house.


  • Elsterchen
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    starkerealm wrote: »
    Elsterchen wrote: »
    Thalidar wrote: »
    Okay I raised in another post that I found it weird how the event is given to every player who logs in who has the Summerset chapter, they don't have to even do the event, and even tho players who don't contribute and even weirder it includes a period of 7 days after the so called event finishes so have no way of actually contributing to it. So basically they're giving everyone who purchased it an opportunity to get it even if they don't contribute to it's actual completion of the event.

    So why is this?

    Now the cynic/marketing side of me has just realised that they can now sell the Summerset chapter after the event finishes and include in it

    The Pony
    The Horse
    The Psijic villa

    and no one can argue over it! We've all been given the option to get them at no cost, and it's us who are determining whether we get there or not. As such this opens the door to them offering the extras as free give away's, basically usable as an incentive to those who want to purchase the chapter in the future.

    This would explain the time frames of including the extra week and is an extremely clever way of manipulating what would have been an extremely angry mob by those who already had the chapter. Basically forcing existing players who already have it to buy another upgrade pack if we don't get to 100% whilst new players get it for free.

    I hope this isn't the case but I've seen enough companies do this to not rule it out here.

    Thalidar

    And I think its fine. Just look back to early access pack, just after beta. -> The so-called beta-monkey was given away with this pack, even to those that did not participate in the beta at all.

    Did that hurt anyone?

    No.

    edit: I fail to see how taking part in a community event entitles anyone to think they are better/have achieved more/deserve ... anything.

    As I recall, the early access pack had the Scuttler, not the Monkey.

    https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/861

    ;)

    early access pack -> monkey
    explorers pack -> scuttler

  • Nerouyn
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    Thalidar wrote: »
    So why is this?

    It's much, much, much simpler than you think.

    They want people to buy the expansion. It coming with a free big honking house, fancy sparkly mount and fancy sparkly pet push sales up. Sure it doesn't take much time or effort to actually get the achievement but it's still an hour (or two if you do the first quest to reach Artaeum) and not everyone might have that free right now. But they might have a bit of spare to cash to buy the game, log in and have all the shinies waiting for them if they get time to play one day.

    $$$$
    Thalidar wrote: »
    Now the cynic/marketing side of me....

    If you want to be cynical, again think simpler. You don't even need to think. Just remember.

    About a year ago they put Morrowind on sale with a promotion that everyone who owned it and logged in before a certain date would get a free mount - the Nix Ox.

    Remember that?

    Then what happened?

    Morrowind got added both to the crown store and became included in the subscription. And later they offered it free to those who prepurchased Summerset. Also remember what was announced for November - the Murkmire DLC is going to be acquirable as a daily login reward. At some point they may do the same for other DLC, i.e. maybe Summerset.

    Giving away things for free which other players had to pay for risks cheesing them off, but stings considerably less if they got a little something extra with their purchase. Two mounts in the past have cost 4000 crowns plus, i.e. approximately the cost of Summerset right now. Unfurnished most manors go for 10000 to 15000 crowns. So even if you bought the expansion and later could have had it free, you still got a manor, mount and pet for much less than they'd normally cost.
  • Ilithyania
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    you wanna see real cynic/marketing? give the entire TES franchise to EA





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  • JamieAubrey
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    I'll start complaining now and if enough people complain with me it will come true

    Thats how we get things around here right ? he complain

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  • Merlin13KAGL
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    This is about a few things, two primarily:
    1. Selling Summerset to those that don't already have it, including duplicate copies for alt accounts.
    2. Padding the numbers for marketing after. Why do you think you can "contribute" on all three platforms on both servers? (It would have been equally easy to make the target number 1/6th of the current amount, but advertising the 70 bajillion people "active" on PSN/XB/PC on both NA/EU sounds so much more impressive.)
    3. Bonus third item for showing how super generous they are because they gave away X number of pets/mounts/houses. (Again, this falls in line with #2, because you won't hear how many people participated. You'll hear how many people got credited the 'kill' because that will be the bigger number.)
    4. It's also a nice exercise in seeing just how far and how many people will follow the carrot on the marketing stick.

    This has marketing value well beyond the free digital asset being provided. It's trying to rally the troops and respark interest. It's also a well timed distraction to the PTS train wreck currently taking place.
    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

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  • randomkeyhits
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    If its a marketing ploy then its a well devised one thats created a decent level of engagement in game and as a community event I'd say its already succeeded. There is indeed a community.

    I'd rather know we'd earned it rather than be given it regardless but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter.

    Sure it may sell more copies of Summerset and probably a lot more of the associated furnishing packs but at the end of the day I have a new house for my collection.

    Of course if the house isn't earned then in this case ZOS are not to be blamed, thats purely down to the player base.

    And I'm fine with that.
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  • Narvuntien
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    If you go and buy summerset/the game on all these other platforms just to get another chance at winning you might have a problem.
  • lordspyder
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    Elsterchen wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Elsterchen wrote: »
    Thalidar wrote: »
    Okay I raised in another post that I found it weird how the event is given to every player who logs in who has the Summerset chapter, they don't have to even do the event, and even tho players who don't contribute and even weirder it includes a period of 7 days after the so called event finishes so have no way of actually contributing to it. So basically they're giving everyone who purchased it an opportunity to get it even if they don't contribute to it's actual completion of the event.

    So why is this?

    Now the cynic/marketing side of me has just realised that they can now sell the Summerset chapter after the event finishes and include in it

    The Pony
    The Horse
    The Psijic villa

    and no one can argue over it! We've all been given the option to get them at no cost, and it's us who are determining whether we get there or not. As such this opens the door to them offering the extras as free give away's, basically usable as an incentive to those who want to purchase the chapter in the future.

    This would explain the time frames of including the extra week and is an extremely clever way of manipulating what would have been an extremely angry mob by those who already had the chapter. Basically forcing existing players who already have it to buy another upgrade pack if we don't get to 100% whilst new players get it for free.

    I hope this isn't the case but I've seen enough companies do this to not rule it out here.

    Thalidar

    And I think its fine. Just look back to early access pack, just after beta. -> The so-called beta-monkey was given away with this pack, even to those that did not participate in the beta at all.

    Did that hurt anyone?

    No.

    edit: I fail to see how taking part in a community event entitles anyone to think they are better/have achieved more/deserve ... anything.

    As I recall, the early access pack had the Scuttler, not the Monkey.

    https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/861

    ;)

    early access pack -> monkey
    explorers pack -> scuttler

    It said right on that page you linked that the monkey was for beta participants.


    Q: I participated in the ESO beta. Do I get anything special for my participation?

    A: Yes, you get a monkey vanity pet to call your own. Check your in-game mail on 4.4.14 for a message containing the little simian.
  • BoloBoffin
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    The "you get the drops just for logging in" is there to get people to log in again. That's all. And once you log in, why not run around Summerset really quickly and rack up the Pathfinder achievement? And then once you've done that, and run into a couple of adventures and the fruits of a hard working world building team, maybe you stay and use those pets, mounts, and houses?

    Maybe it's just how ZOS presents it. Ease off the salt, bro.

    ETA: Wow, someone else suggested this was to distract from a "PTS train wreck." Like they threw this together in a couple of days to draw our attention? Events like this don't get slapped together in a panic. Come on, folks, let's live in the real world (when we're not killing all the things in Tamriel, of course).
    Edited by BoloBoffin on September 24, 2018 1:22PM
    Now let's dig on the Dirt Mound... (never gonna get it, never gonna get it, NEEEEver gonna get it, never gonna it)
  • SockFiddler
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    Seriously?

    I mean... seriously?!

    There's lots about ZoS that I find hard to cope with, but they're trying a new community strategy where they're giving away content that we know would otherwise cost 13-17k crowns and you're still hating on them for it?

    They're trying. Sure, it's a marketing ploy, like all those well-publicized giveaways that, when you do the maths, you stand less than a 1% chance of bagging anything, or a contest that either gets buried and forgotten or where you're competing against literally hundreds of thousands of other people to win just one or two ludicrously generous prizes, but get nothing for entering.

    Or the marketing ploy of having a huge and beautifully-crafted player home available for just 1 crown on the PTS for months on end - without ever publishing the price - so you go in, decorate, fall in love, make it your own but, oh wait, it's only going to be available for sale for just 6 days at some indeterminate time in the future and for a price that would feed most families for 2 weeks.

    Or the one where we get encouraged to pre-order a new chapter that costs us more than the base game did and yet, 6 months later, is being given away for free.

    Those things stink and make people feel crappy.

    This? They set a target they were confident we could meet. Not a target we'd be scrabbling in the last hours to push for. Not a target so low it's meaningless. And you have to spend 30 minutes walking around content you've already purchased and then everyone wins not just a notable house but also a pet and a mount (both of which we've already secured) and we all get to feel good that we did something nice for each other just once and they get to see that, yup, they can offer good stuff - not cheap, hurriedly-put-together junk, but actually really good stuff - to their community and the community will respond with grace and with gratitude.

    Which is not what this thread is about, is it?

    Complain about the server down times. The endless load screens. The years-old bugs in dungeons and quests. Having to press "F" in group finder for 30 minutes. The lag in pvp blah blah blah. These things all suck and need us to be vocal about them.

    But being mean and complaining about what is actually a quite nice thing they're doing, utterly without any need to do anything at all for us while incentivising new business and you become just another spoiled brat who gets given more than they asked for at Christmas and then cries because it's in the wrong shaped box.

    Find your grace and gratitude. You'll be a happier person for it.
  • Aragorn79
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    I think it's far simpler, as some posts above already say. They want to increase sales of Summerset gifting the horses + house if you buy Summerset until deadline. So, for everyone that already owns Summerset not to get mad about it, they are going to give away these things for active Summerset owners. BUT, they have packaged the giveaway as an event, to give the community a sense of empowerment and probably some statistical runs of participation and things like that. I believe thus, that it is a planned giveaway from the start, that's why the "updates" on the Summerfall meter are so weird and out of sync with the actual people doing it. So in my opinion, we are all going to get the house no matter what, because it is in truth a giveaway disguised as an event to increase sales of Summerset and not enrage ppl who already own it by giving all these things for free. It's good marketing and I am really not bothered by it, on the contrary I am pretty happy that I am also going to get the free stuff in spite of already owning Summerset. So from my perspective, I love it.
    Edited by Aragorn79 on September 24, 2018 1:55PM
    PC EU
    DC D'aryn, Breton Magblade
    DC T'agwyr, Redguard Stamblade
    EP B'eryth, Nord Magsorc
    EP K'ewan, Nord Magplar
    AD L'adaryel, High Elf MagDK
    AD S'eladiel, Wood Elf StamWarden
    DC D'evyn Imperial StamDK
    DC G'avyn Breton MagNecromancer
  • Wifeaggro13
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    Thalidar wrote: »
    Okay I raised in another post that I found it weird how the event is given to every player who logs in who has the Summerset chapter, they don't have to even do the event, and even tho players who don't contribute and even weirder it includes a period of 7 days after the so called event finishes so have no way of actually contributing to it. So basically they're giving everyone who purchased it an opportunity to get it even if they don't contribute to it's actual completion of the event.

    So why is this?

    Now the cynic/marketing side of me has just realised that they can now sell the Summerset chapter after the event finishes and include in it

    The Pony
    The Horse
    The Psijic villa

    and no one can argue over it! We've all been given the option to get them at no cost, and it's us who are determining whether we get there or not. As such this opens the door to them offering the extras as free give away's, basically usable as an incentive to those who want to purchase the chapter in the future.

    This would explain the time frames of including the extra week and is an extremely clever way of manipulating what would have been an extremely angry mob by those who already had the chapter. Basically forcing existing players who already have it to buy another upgrade pack if we don't get to 100% whilst new players get it for free.

    I hope this isn't the case but I've seen enough companies do this to not rule it out here.

    Thalidar
    ZOS double dip? not them they would never do that (cough) sounds eerily familiar.
  • TequilaFire
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    Elsterchen wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Elsterchen wrote: »
    Thalidar wrote: »
    Okay I raised in another post that I found it weird how the event is given to every player who logs in who has the Summerset chapter, they don't have to even do the event, and even tho players who don't contribute and even weirder it includes a period of 7 days after the so called event finishes so have no way of actually contributing to it. So basically they're giving everyone who purchased it an opportunity to get it even if they don't contribute to it's actual completion of the event.

    So why is this?

    Now the cynic/marketing side of me has just realised that they can now sell the Summerset chapter after the event finishes and include in it

    The Pony
    The Horse
    The Psijic villa

    and no one can argue over it! We've all been given the option to get them at no cost, and it's us who are determining whether we get there or not. As such this opens the door to them offering the extras as free give away's, basically usable as an incentive to those who want to purchase the chapter in the future.

    This would explain the time frames of including the extra week and is an extremely clever way of manipulating what would have been an extremely angry mob by those who already had the chapter. Basically forcing existing players who already have it to buy another upgrade pack if we don't get to 100% whilst new players get it for free.

    I hope this isn't the case but I've seen enough companies do this to not rule it out here.

    Thalidar

    And I think its fine. Just look back to early access pack, just after beta. -> The so-called beta-monkey was given away with this pack, even to those that did not participate in the beta at all.

    Did that hurt anyone?

    No.

    edit: I fail to see how taking part in a community event entitles anyone to think they are better/have achieved more/deserve ... anything.

    As I recall, the early access pack had the Scuttler, not the Monkey.

    https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/861

    ;)

    early access pack -> monkey
    explorers pack -> scuttler

    Wrong the beta Imgakin monkey did not come with the early access pack.
    The only reference to the monkey in that link is:
    Q: I participated in the ESO beta. Do I get anything special for my participation?

    A: Yes, you get a monkey vanity pet to call your own. Check your in-game mail on 4.4.14 for a message containing the little simian.

    I see I got ninja'd above. lol
    Edited by TequilaFire on September 24, 2018 2:04PM
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    randomkeyhits wrote: »
    If its a marketing ploy then its a well devised one thats created a decent level of engagement in game and as a community event I'd say its already succeeded. There is indeed a community.

    I'd rather know we'd earned it rather than be given it regardless but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter.

    Sure it may sell more copies of Summerset and probably a lot more of the associated furnishing packs but at the end of the day I have a new house for my collection.

    Of course if the house isn't earned then in this case ZOS are not to be blamed, thats purely down to the player base.

    And I'm fine with that.
    "Earning" is a stretch.

    90 minutes from "I've never ever played on this server before" to My slow self visited every POI and unlocked Artaem the long way.

    My level 5 EU just finished it, but I'm not so sure I've earned much of anything.

    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

    IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.
    I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
    Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS
  • Elsterchen
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    @TequilaFire , @lordspyder ... you are right, i messed up pre-order acess bonus and early access. :)

    In my defence, i do remember some drama about the imakin monkey beeing given to the "unworthy", too... I disliked this form of discussion/argumentation, so it stuck.
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