Looking for platform advice

The_Lex · September 2018

I've been contemplating moving from Xbox to PC for two reasons. First, I have some friends who play on PC exclusively. Second, console performance, while better than it used to be, is still underwhelming.

But, as you can see from my sig, I have quite a few characters on X1. Beyond that, I have a lot invested on console: achievements, trial clears, trial gear, gold, etc. I wish ZOS could port our accounts to a different platform; I'd even pay for that.

Do you think it's worth switching? If you used to be on console and switched, do you regret it?

WrathOfInnos · September 2018

PC is definitely the way to go. We get addons, to fix all the gaps in the game’s UI. Also the access to the PTS to help test and shape future content. You can use keyboard and mouse, or still have the option for a controller. I also believe that there are usually less performance issues on PC (depending on hardware I guess).

If you think you will ever switch, then sooner is better. Go ahead and get started leveling and getting gear and achievements on whatever platform you think you’ll be using in the long run.

The_Lex · September 2018

The addons are very tempting. As it stands, I have my phone out when I hunt for lorebooks. Super annoying.

The_Lex · September 2018

Has anyone moved from console to PC?

pauli133 · September 2018

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Has anyone moved from console to PC?

I see someone in a guild or zone chat mentioning that they've just moved from console to PC seemingly every other day. You'd have a lot of company.

Also, I get the impression that ESO on PC has more gamepad users than most other games I've played. Pretty solid experience base wrt getting things working optimally.

SirPaws · September 2018

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I've been contemplating moving from Xbox to PC for two reasons. First, I have some friends who play on PC exclusively. Second, console performance, while better than it used to be, is still underwhelming.

But, as you can see from my sig, I have quite a few characters on X1. Beyond that, I have a lot invested on console: achievements, trial clears, trial gear, gold, etc. I wish ZOS could port our accounts to a different platform; I'd even pay for that.

Do you think it's worth switching? If you used to be on console and switched, do you regret it?

Man, it's not an easy choice and I totally get that. For me, it involved one helluvah learning curve in terms of choosing the right rig and getting to grips with gaming on a computer, and I made some decisions I regret... such as Steam. Even now, after about four months since shifting to PC, I still can't get to grips with playing keyboard and mouse

That's a small thing, though, I jut plug in my Xbox controller and so it feels the same.

Honestly, I do sometimes regret coming to PC and sorely miss that which I left behind. Even though all told was but a fraction of the content you have, it has been incredibly hard work to regain some of what I had. I mean, I was lucky in that I started the transition during the best possible time during the Anniversary Event back in Feb - I was using my laptop and playing on the lowest possible settings but those rewards really helped me in terms of regaining motifs, levelling, crafting, and slowly accumulating gold, but all the luxury content such as my houses, mounts, pets, Crown Store bundles and editions were lost to me.

Meanwhile on the Xbox, I was conscious of having to leave some really great guilds that were helping me break through my own barriers - I remember you expressing surprise at me doing trials, so knowing that I had hit that point and was approaching end-game content only to have to start again from scratch was incredibly daunting, as was the knowledge that even though I was joining friends on the new platform, getting to that point again would be something I'd have to achieve again on my own.

So yeah, I look back sometimes and feel very sad at all the things I left behind, and where I would be now had I not switched. I was CP 350 iirc, now I'm CP 490. It's conceivable that had I stayed on Xbox I would be at the true end-game by now, on par with where you are. And it's like, my interests remained the same - Housing and enjoying the setting, lore, and stories were my motivation. I still have that but only have a fraction of the resources I accumulated to do those things. Like, I only recently crafted my first Legendary Hunding's Rage item!!

All that said, I think it was worth the switch - Or I'm close to the point where I'll have achieved more on PC than I did on Xbox. I've already made more gold than I ever did on Xbox, and part of that is because there was something quite refreshing about starting from scratch again, a motivation to immerse in and enjoy all the content I'd already done. I felt like a rookie again, green and surrounded by friends who had far more than I had, had long since hit CP levels, had luxury items I left behind, and sometimes I suspect enjoyed reminding me of

I really, really wish there was a system that would allow us to import things over. I, too, would pay for that gladly. To have my Coven Cottage back, or to ride a bear again? I still don't have a freakin' bear, something I was so stoked about when Orsinium landed on Xbox!

But for what it's worth, everything seems so much easier on PC. Addons like Master Merchant, MiniMap, Lorebooks and Skyshards have helped massively, and the power of the machine itself allowed me to enjoy ESO like never before. For what it's worth, Patriarch, if you came to PC NA you'd be welcomed by me with open arms and will gladly help out in any way I can. You've taught me a great deal, given sound advice despite not being on the same platform, so the prospect of adventuring with you once again fills me with joy and that oh, so rare feeling: Hope.

The_Lex · September 2018

@SirPaws

I can always count on you to provide such a thorough, heartfelt reply.

I appreciate that you did not candy-coat the transition, as some might, and I also appreciate your understanding of where I am in terms of processing this decision.

Finally, I appreciate your kind words about me. It was my pleasure to promote ESO on the Tamriel Vault, to correct some of the misconceptions about the game to the most strident of single-player gamers, and to advise the newer players on how to enjoy the game to its fullest. It's friends like you guys that are motivating me to switch.

SirPaws · September 2018

The_Patriarch wrote: »

@SirPaws

I can always count on you to provide such a thorough, heartfelt reply.

I appreciate that you did not candy-coat the transition, as some might, and I also appreciate your understanding of where I am in terms of processing this decision.

Finally, I appreciate your kind words about me. It was my pleasure to promote ESO on the Tamriel Vault, to correct some of the misconceptions about the game to the most strident of single-player gamers, and to advise the newer players on how to enjoy the game to its fullest. It's friends like you guys that are motivating me to switch.

You're welcome, and I'm more than happy to go on at length as I do if you have anything to discuss or want to talk-through

I can't say you won't regret or miss that which you lose, but I can say that the journey to regain it all gives the game a new lease of life with new memories to make along the way. Plus, not having to pay the XBL Gold sub saves a bit each month. In the end the PC becomes an investment that will pay for itself long-term.

FlyingSwan · September 2018

I have it on both as I was in beta when they allowed us a free port to console. And suffice to say, I have played maybe 10 mins on console, PC is way better for many reasons, not least of which being the add-ons which the game sorely needs.

edana · September 2018

It's a big decision and honestly I can't really contribute much more here than @SirPaws already has. I think his comment is a really fair and honest assessment. As you can see, I'm not active here, but when I saw your post over on Tamriel Vault I had to weigh in too.

I'll start with the obvious: we would love to have you over on PC NA!! I know that's a bit of an intangible, but we would love to be able to adventure with you. Paws, Goldie and I would be more than happy to support you in getting set up and established in whatever way you need.

As far as weighing what you would leave behind against what you would gain on PC, here's my take:

As others have mentioned, if you decide to make the leap I think you would really appreciate the functionalities that the add-ons provide. The utility and customization they add is game changing. Paws listed several good ones already, but there are lots of incredible combat add-ons that I think you would really enjoy.
The PC community as a whole is incredibly robust. I played on PS on and off before switching to PC, and to me, the PC community just feels a bit more active. That's of course not intended as a slam. I know there are tons of amazing guilds and players on both of the other two platforms. I think with PC, everyone being directly at a keyboard makes it a little easier for folks to get involved with things going on in a guild or zone.
As far as keyboard vs. controller, the gamepad support is really pretty good. For a long time I only played with an Xbox controller because after sitting at a desk at work all day, I just wanted to recline in my chair and relax instead of being hunched over a keyboard. The controller lets you do that a little more and was more familiar for me. I started playing with a keyboard and mouse too though because it gives you a little more control, which you might like for some of the vet and end game content. The keyboard isn't too tough to learn or pick up. There's a little learning curve, but it's definitely not insurmountable. You get the hang of it after the first couple hours and a starter zone is a great place to master getting around, basic combat, and figuring out where things are in the menus.
The investment you've already made into the X1 platform is the hardest thing to reconcile. You've invested time and money there, both important real life resources, and those you cannot get back.

I guess I would say, wondering or asking yourself if you might regret moving may not be the best measure. Consider sunk cost fallacy. Maybe also ask yourself: 1) Will staying on X1 possibly hinder your enjoyment of ESO if you feel like you're missing out or not able to enjoy the things PC users do? 2) Do you think you might regret waiting if you put it off longer? If the answer to those questions are 'yes and yes' I think you should strongly consider moving to PC. If those questions don't really phase you, maybe it's OK to stay on X1. In game progress and achievements can be made up, and playing the game and unlocking those things are fun in their own right. The prospect of catching up to where you are on X1 now may seem daunting, but you have the benefit of knowing things you didn't know the first time and I think it will go pretty quickly for you.

IMO, if you are thinking that you would really enjoy the PC community, added functionality from add-ons, PTS and the PC exclusives... make the switch sooner rather than later. If this is something you've been considering for a while (and I think it is) and see yourself continuing to play for the foreseeable future, kicking the proverbial can down the road will likely only make it harder to make the change later and you'll lose more time and money in the process. So the best advice I can give is to think about what will give you maximum enjoyment and just fully commit to that.

If you do decide to make the change and need or want any help picking out a machine or components, I can give you some ideas on what you might want to look for, if you want. I bought my PC and components back in February/March and I feel fairly current on what's gotten good reviews or performance, price points, etc..

And, lastly, if you do make the switch, please let me know! I have some TV guild-related things I'd like to pick your brain on and would really love to see you join the leadership, if you're interested. Seems to be a very natural fit to me.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · September 2018

The_Lex · September 2018

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

The_Lex · September 2018

@edana

Thank you so much for your feedback!

Hateanthem · September 2018

I'm the exact opposite. I switched to PS4 from PC. PC is great but I wanted to be able to sprawl out on my couch instead of sitting at a PC. Here are the differences I have noticed...

1) Community. The difference in community is massive. PC community is preferable. I have noticed that on the PS4, people's differences of opinion turn into terrible arguments with wild accusations. Lots of threatening and extremely immature behavior. I think this is because you can just talk to people out in the open world without having to have Discord or another chat program. Probably console has a somewhat younger community as well but that is just a guess as I have no real numbers.

2) Immersion. It's much easier to immerse yourself in the world on PC. Sometimes I forget to leave zone chat when out and about and out of nowhere a toon runs by with gangster rap blaring in the background while they are screaming at their siblings or friends or whatever. It can be annoying. You don't have that with PC.

3) Game knowledge. I have noticed the PC community seems to have a deeper knowledge of the game and pays attention to patch notes and game information much more closely than the console players.

I still enjoy being able to sprawl out on the couch and play on a massive TV more than sitting in my den playing on the PC, but I sure do miss the community.

The_Lex · September 2018

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

Any thoughts on this set-up?

FlyingSwan · September 2018

The_Patriarch wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

Any thoughts on this set-up?

Should be fine, CPU turbo at 3.8GHz, which is good as game is primarily CPU bound, a reasonable GPU for a mobile device. I actually have that card in my Dell but never tried to play ESO on it. Might give it a go and let you know how it performs, if you are interested?

The_Lex · September 2018

FlyingSwan wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

Any thoughts on this set-up?

Should be fine, CPU turbo at 3.8GHz, which is good as game is primarily CPU bound, a reasonable GPU for a mobile device. I actually have that card in my Dell but never tried to play ESO on it. Might give it a go and let you know how it performs, if you are interested?

I'd really appreciate it if you did. Thanks!

Nestor · September 2018

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

Dont worry about the xx60 cards. Those cards have always had the sweet spot of performance over price. And, since the real growth in GPU demand is 4K, you dont have much too worry about in the future. One, your never going to go over 4K, well maybe if you buy a 4K TV, but your going to go a different route for your PC anyway if you do that. You will be gaming on this for years to come.

The_Lex · September 2018

Nestor wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

Dont worry about the xx60 cards. Those cards have always had the sweet spot of performance over price. And, since the real growth in GPU demand is 4K, you dont have much too worry about in the future. One, your never going to go over 4K, well maybe if you buy a 4K TV, but your going to go a different route for your PC anyway if you do that. You will be gaming on this for years to come.

That's great to hear. Thanks, @Nestor ! I might be coming over to PC soon.

FlyingSwan · September 2018

The_Patriarch wrote: »

FlyingSwan wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

Any thoughts on this set-up?

Should be fine, CPU turbo at 3.8GHz, which is good as game is primarily CPU bound, a reasonable GPU for a mobile device. I actually have that card in my Dell but never tried to play ESO on it. Might give it a go and let you know how it performs, if you are interested?

I'd really appreciate it if you did. Thanks!

Installing it on my laptop now, bit slow!

HiLyfe808 · September 2018

I have to agree with @SirPaws and he pretty much sums it up.

I too made the switch back in april and it was hard at first. Max CP to cover a few years of CP increase, multiple houses, end game builds, countless hours of gear grinding, so much mounts/costumes, pretty much every motif style. It sucked and for the first couple months honestly i questioned frequently if i was making the right choice.

After playing for the past 5 months though and getting over that what am i doing here hump, i don't regret it. Performance wise PC hands down feels better. First time i went into pvp i was like wow no lag approaching Ash. An approaching zerg didn't lag as much and i just had more fun.

People were more friendly and more then willing the help and the guilds are great. Addons are bomb as far as lorebook hunting, skyshards and the best? time breaches for the psijic line (man do i love that one). I don't use much addons by choice though and i'm ok with that.

If you aren't 100% sure i suggest playing casual until you experience enough to make a decision. If you have your mind set you to go PC you won't regret it.

The_Lex · September 2018

Xk3koax wrote: »

I have to agree with @SirPaws and he pretty much sums it up.

I too made the switch back in april and it was hard at first. Max CP to cover a few years of CP increase, multiple houses, end game builds, countless hours of gear grinding, so much mounts/costumes, pretty much every motif style. It sucked and for the first couple months honestly i questioned frequently if i was making the right choice.

After playing for the past 5 months though and getting over that what am i doing here hump, i don't regret it. Performance wise PC hands down feels better. First time i went into pvp i was like wow no lag approaching Ash. An approaching zerg didn't lag as much and i just had more fun.

People were more friendly and more then willing the help and the guilds are great. Addons are bomb as far as lorebook hunting, skyshards and the best? time breaches for the psijic line (man do i love that one). I don't use much addons by choice though and i'm ok with that.

If you aren't 100% sure i suggest playing casual until you experience enough to make a decision. If you have your mind set you to go PC you won't regret it.

Wow. Thanks for your help. I appreciate it. I think that if/when I switch, I'll just take it slow and enjoy things. I know how and where to grind. So that helps.

The_Lex · September 2018

FlyingSwan wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

Any thoughts on this set-up?

Should be fine, CPU turbo at 3.8GHz, which is good as game is primarily CPU bound, a reasonable GPU for a mobile device. I actually have that card in my Dell but never tried to play ESO on it. Might give it a go and let you know how it performs, if you are interested?

Oh no! I didn't realize you had to install it. Had I known, I would've told you not go through the trouble.

But I am grateful.

FlyingSwan · September 2018

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

Dont worry about the xx60 cards. Those cards have always had the sweet spot of performance over price. And, since the real growth in GPU demand is 4K, you dont have much too worry about in the future. One, your never going to go over 4K, well maybe if you buy a 4K TV, but your going to go a different route for your PC anyway if you do that. You will be gaming on this for years to come.

That's great to hear. Thanks, @Nestor ! I might be coming over to PC soon.

Just tested on my Dell XPS15 and had 100fps open world dropping to 30-50 in towns. I was running 1080 res (native is 4k), and the GPU is actually a 1050, so you will be fine on that 1060.

The_Lex · September 2018

FlyingSwan wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

Dont worry about the xx60 cards. Those cards have always had the sweet spot of performance over price. And, since the real growth in GPU demand is 4K, you dont have much too worry about in the future. One, your never going to go over 4K, well maybe if you buy a 4K TV, but your going to go a different route for your PC anyway if you do that. You will be gaming on this for years to come.

That's great to hear. Thanks, @Nestor ! I might be coming over to PC soon.

Just tested on my Dell XPS15 and had 100fps open world dropping to 30-50 in towns. I was running 1080 res (native is 4k), and the GPU is actually a 1050, so you will be fine on that 1060.

Thank you for testing that for me!

FlyingSwan · September 2018

The_Patriarch wrote: »

FlyingSwan wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I have the opportunity to purchase an MSI gaming laptop from someone I know (he doesn't have the time to game anymore).

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD + 1TB HHD, GTX 1060 6GB.

I assume this should be sufficient to run ESO. The GTX 1060 worries me as this is a mid-tier GPU and it might get behind-the-times sooner than later. I am also concerned about the 2.8 GHz CPU. However, I hope this set-up should be somewhat future-proof (3-5 years). What do you think?

I have the opportunity to upgrade from this to a stronger rig (but more than I'd like to pay), but if this would be okay for now, then I might go for it.

Dont worry about the xx60 cards. Those cards have always had the sweet spot of performance over price. And, since the real growth in GPU demand is 4K, you dont have much too worry about in the future. One, your never going to go over 4K, well maybe if you buy a 4K TV, but your going to go a different route for your PC anyway if you do that. You will be gaming on this for years to come.

That's great to hear. Thanks, @Nestor ! I might be coming over to PC soon.

Just tested on my Dell XPS15 and had 100fps open world dropping to 30-50 in towns. I was running 1080 res (native is 4k), and the GPU is actually a 1050, so you will be fine on that 1060.

Thank you for testing that for me!

No worries. I travel a lot, so now I have it ready installed for my next trip

SirPaws · September 2018

It looks like you've got a decent machine there, Patriarch! I quite like @edana's outlook of switching focus to what will be gained rather than what will be lost. I think @Xk3koax's experience mirrors my own, so the first six months as you grind through the crafting skills and do the happy dance when you can finally craft a set of Julianos will be the hardest in which you question your choice, but after that you'll be about where I am so can reconcile and can feel content that you've established yourself on the new platform.

To be fair, with the Halloween content coming it is an exciting time to start the transition. Plus, I found the Psijic Order grind to be quite liberating in terms of redoing all the zone quests. Because that questline takes you everywhere, I kinda embraced the non-linearity on one of my characters and that really helped counter the "but I've done this, and I've done this, and this" feeling.

Hateanthem wrote: »

I'm the exact opposite. I switched to PS4 from PC. PC is great but I wanted to be able to sprawl out on my couch instead of sitting at a PC. Here are the differences I have noticed...

1) Community. The difference in community is massive. PC community is preferable. I have noticed that on the PS4, people's differences of opinion turn into terrible arguments with wild accusations. Lots of threatening and extremely immature behavior. I think this is because you can just talk to people out in the open world without having to have Discord or another chat program. Probably console has a somewhat younger community as well but that is just a guess as I have no real numbers.

2) Immersion. It's much easier to immerse yourself in the world on PC. Sometimes I forget to leave zone chat when out and about and out of nowhere a toon runs by with gangster rap blaring in the background while they are screaming at their siblings or friends or whatever. It can be annoying. You don't have that with PC.

3) Game knowledge. I have noticed the PC community seems to have a deeper knowledge of the game and pays attention to patch notes and game information much more closely than the console players.

I still enjoy being able to sprawl out on the couch and play on a massive TV more than sitting in my den playing on the PC, but I sure do miss the community.

This is an interesting post. I'm not a PC gamer in the traditional sense, don't have a desk and den. Because the things I like about console gaming is being able to sprawl out, I use my PC as though it were a console: It sits beneath my TV which acts as my screen. I increased the text size of chat so that I can read it from a distance, and am pretty comfortable in that it feels like my xbox did - the overlay is the same so it imitates the console nicely while being graphically superior and a lot faster. Man, I was so excited to actually see reflections in the game's water rather than indistinct shadows

Maybe one day I'll be more inclined to embrace the more PC aspects, but for now it's helped me keep within my comfort zone.

I do sort of miss native voice chat. I didn't use it often because of all the things mentioned regarding the music and the shouting, and the annoying, but it was handy when doing group content to just flick it on and off without having to set up a separate tool in which to chat, but it's a small thing and easily overcome.

theyancey · September 2018

The non Steam PC version is the best way to go!