This is going to be a long thread. If you dont play stam sorc then I probably wouldnt bother reading. I posted something similar on the pts section but im really just trying to see if stam sorc has a class rep and what they think about the changes.. Because if they agree that the changes are uncalled for, like many others do considering where stam sorc is and how we never get buffs, then they should say something. And if they disagree i would defiantly like to know why.. Anyway...

The changes to dark deal and overload are unacceptable. Stam sorc is at the bottom. It has one class damage skill, hurricane, and damage ultimate. Every class has a damage ultimate, every single one. And now the only ultimate that is does have is being taken away. The fact that zenimax would do anything besides buff stam sorc is completely insane.

Someone posted this in my other thread in the pts section and im curious if the stam sorc class rep, if there is one, is mainly a pve player. I dont mean that in a bad way, but it seems that any stam sorc who pvps would understand how important overload is for us to buff a class which has so little to work with. Apparently this is from a thread to do with the class rep meeting. And before i post that, i think the simple solution to the overload issue is to leave the third bar on one morph of the skill. That makes everyone happy. Or hell, even just for the un-morphed version of the skill.


After this, ZOS asked if any points not listed above needed emphasis. Class reps responded:

• Stamina classes, in particular Dragonknight and Sorcerer, need to get more out of their native kit and feel a better sense of identity rather than just a collection of weapon abilities.
• Stamina diversity in DPS is also lacking as gear and weapon bars are almost identical between classes.
• The Overload skill is awkward with the class kit: it’s either a gank gimmick or not used much

This is just a few things from what was linked. I didnt view the actual thread. But if this is true then the answer to a sense of identity for stam sorc is to destroy the tiny bit of identity that we have? And overload is awkward and not used much? No not true. Overload is so important for a pvp stam sorc. Not in every build, not always, but a lot of the time it is important. Stam sorc is a pigeonholed class. This makes that problem even worse.

I can compare classes again if needed. Every class has more to offer than a stam sorc. Stamblade, for example, can utilize every single passive it has and nearly every skill. A damage ultimate that is one of, if not, the strongest single target ultimates in the game when you think about what it actually does. A healing ultimate. A tanking ultimate. Minor maim, minor berserk, major fracture, major berserk, bonus crit damage, ultimate regen, etc.. etc...

Same goes for stamplar, stamden, and stam dk. Stam dk might not be as well off as the other stamina class but it still has a lot of skills and passives to work with. Damage skills, damage ult, tanking ult, solid buffs. This is the story with every class but stam sorc falls short where it is important for pvp. Yes we have a couple buffs that others do not, such as health recovery, stam recovery, ultimate cost reduction, 11% max stam, and implosion. But its not nearly enough when you compare it to other classes. Especially when you think about combos and counters. Stamplar has counters to dots and debuffs, warden has counter to range and debuffs, nightblade has counters to everything with image and cloak... Stam dk has counters to range and good healing.. Stam sorc has counters to... uhh.. Nightblades? Sure but hurricane doesnt always pull them out of cloak if they spam cloak..

As for combos. Well nightblade has a spectral bow (an ability that is mind boggling) that hits harder than most ultimate's and can be used after an incap strike where they get a 20% damage buff, knock their enemy down so they have less of a chance dodging that bow, do solid damage, and put major defile on the enemy. And lets not forget that their major fracture is built into their spamable attack, as well as a class execute to come after...

How about stamplar? Well after they've purged your dots and debuffs they can throw power of the light on you giving you minor fracture. If they combo that with their class ultimate and their class damage skill that gives major savagery, jabs, then the POTL will deal a large amount of damage. Now that 72 cost ult will give major protection, their jabs will hit harder, and with the new rune they'll have a better sustain tool than dark deal. On top of the sustain tool they already have with repentance.

I could do this for stamden and stam dk, as well as the mag versions, but im not going to. Stam sorc has no combos that are class combos.. The only identity we have is hurricane, dark deal, and overload. Crit surge and bound armor are also solid but not the classes identity. No when you think of a stam sorc you think of those 3 skills. Well dark deal is now at the back of the line for sustain.. The new templar rune is what 300 stam/second? Thats like 600 recov? Plus repentance... Dk has sustain passives with ult and earthenheart skills. Nighblades siphoning strikes is solid. And warden has the netch.

Stam sorc could have had a little identity left in the sense that it was the most mobile class with the best sustain skill, but as someone else put it in my other thread, everyone can be fast now and dark deal is no longer the best sustain tool. So whats left. Hurricane. Cool. Hurricane is a good dot and your resistance buffs (that every other class has easy access to in a similar form).. Its also a speed buff but like i said thats more common now.. Then we have overload. A 3rd bar.. Wow thats unique.. Somewhere i can make up for my lack of buffs. A place to put secondary buffs or other skills since you have to fit certain things in your build to get certain buffs. Like if i want maim like a nightblade, or heroism like a warden, or purge like a templar, or fracture like everyone.. But now that one unique thing we had is on the verge of being gone.

Stam sorc is losing what little identity it had. Please dont remove overload. And as far as dark deal goes, i wouldn't be so agitated about you nerfing it if you EVER buffed our class. I mean really? I could live with it but i cant fathom why you would nerf the bottom class and buff the others.. Yes, once upon a time you buffed hurricane and dark deal... But that was a long time ago. I just feel like we havent had much done that really helped us or helped give us an identity since then. So please tell me, what would possess you to nerf a class like this and buff a class like, lets say, stamplar??! Thats what blows my mind! And if there is a sorc class rep who pvps on a stam sorc i would like to know what you think about this.

#Buffstamsorc before you nerf it. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_Wrobel