How about the option to transmute armor/weapon style?

GreenhaloX · September 2018

It is great to be able to transmute the traits, and I haven't mess around with the style token thing yet, but how about the option to transmute the armor and weapon pieces we get from drops and chests (or is that what the style token thingy does?) the same way? ZOS, please take notes

. For example.. man, I would love to be able to transmute the Argonian style Necro pieces to another and so forth. Hopefully, this is somewhat in the drawing board within the developer/designers board room.. yeah? By the way, you all need to slim down the cost for the current transmute of 50. How about bring it down to 25 or I'd be contend with 30. Damn, for someone who really isn't into PvP, 50 is a bit much.

Oh, and a tangent note.. big kudos on your guys with Summerset. To me, best new content for ESO, thus far. Love the mounts and amped up world bosses and those geyser/dolmen things. I definitely see forward progress here. Please don't mess it up with Murkmire. Oh, don't get me wrong.. always love any new/additional contents to ESO, and particularly the extra 30 CP each time, but I'm fretting the transition from the nice looking Summerset to if Murkmire is to be another dreary, jacked up environment similar to Shadowfen. Ahhh.. I can't stand Shadowfen! Ha ha ha.

Also, despite all the ffing crap with loading screen crashes and reoccurring or new bugs, glitches and whatnot, ESO is still quite enjoyable. So, keep up the good work and work on those damn crashes, bugs and negative whatnots. Thank you..

Oakmontowls_ESO · September 2018

So the outfit system?

Banana · September 2018

Find an outfit station.

GreenhaloX · September 2018

So.. are these outfit station where you can change the styles? If so, then yeah, I'm pretty late to the party. In my defense, I just came back to the game a couple weeks ago after about 6 months hiatus and been trying to catch up and get back into the swing of things. Allright, I'll check out the outfit station, but damn, figure you guys can be a bit more helpful than a couple words response.. goodness

pauli133 · September 2018

Outfits don't change the gear, it's just build-a-costume.

It's a pretty terrible surrogate for what players consistently asked for, but... it's what we've got.

idk · September 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

So.. are these outfit station where you can change the styles? If so, then yeah, I'm pretty late to the party. In my defense, I just came back to the game a couple weeks ago after about 6 months hiatus and been trying to catch up and get back into the swing of things. Allright, I'll check out the outfit station, but damn, figure you guys can be a bit more helpful than a couple words response.. goodness

Yes, you have one outfit tab per character and can buy more, costly. The system works similar to what I have seen elsewhere and does it well imo. Of course it is costly if you want multiple costumes on multiple characters. It is great that it does not change the gear because you would have to transmute gear anytime you made a change and many players have multiple sets of gear, PvP/PvE and especially tanks and healers.

You do need to know the motif for the specific item you wish to use in an outfit.

The only draw back is there is not a means to buy one extra outfit slot account wide. Good design overall.

GreenhaloX · September 2018

Oh.. no. Appreciate the feedback all, but I'm not looking to change the custom or outfit. I'm talking about like.. let's say you find chest piece and it's Breton, but I want that same piece in a Dark Elf style. So, just like being able to transmute an Invigorating to Infused or Divine, I would like to be able to transmute the style to a different one. Similarly, you get Necro stuff in Rivenspire, but every piece is always Argonian. I do like the Inferno and Lightning staff in the current Argonian style and would like to change to whatever else, i.e. Daggerfall, EP or Aldmeri. Same goes with any other pieces. This is my suggesting and wishlist.

Chilly-McFreeze · September 2018

And why can't you simply use the outfit system? Yes, it's applied to "you" / your outfit slot, which can be changed at nearly any time. It's more practical to have an overlay instead of changing a single item so you can always change sets underneath and still have the look you want, instead of having to re-transmute every item you change.

Tsute · September 2018

Yup. If you have the motif book or page for the style you're after you can do that at an outfit station. So if you get a Daedric style motif book, you can change every piece you wear to Daedric, in whatever colors you currently have available.

max_only · September 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Oh.. no. Appreciate the feedback all, but I'm not looking to change the custom or outfit. I'm talking about like.. let's say you find chest piece and it's Breton, but I want that same piece in a Dark Elf style. So, just like being able to transmute an Invigorating to Infused or Divine, I would like to be able to transmute the style to a different one. Similarly, you get Necro stuff in Rivenspire, but every piece is always Argonian. I do like the Inferno and Lightning staff in the current Argonian style and would like to change to whatever else, i.e. Daggerfall, EP or Aldmeri. Same goes with any other pieces. This is my suggesting and wishlist.

You have just described the Outfit system.

For you, your chest piece will always be Dark Elf style, wether you are wearing a Breton style piece or upgrade later to a piece that is default High Elf.

If you want to control the style the armor is by default, that’s why they have crafting.

I craft my armor so when I’m not wearing an outfit I look one way and when I’m wearing an outfit I look a second way and when I’m wearing a costume I look a third way.

Nord_Raseri · September 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Oh.. no. Appreciate the feedback all, but I'm not looking to change the custom or outfit. I'm talking about like.. let's say you find chest piece and it's Breton, but I want that same piece in a Dark Elf style. So, just like being able to transmute an Invigorating to Infused or Divine, I would like to be able to transmute the style to a different one. Similarly, you get Necro stuff in Rivenspire, but every piece is always Argonian. I do like the Inferno and Lightning staff in the current Argonian style and would like to change to whatever else, i.e. Daggerfall, EP or Aldmeri. Same goes with any other pieces. This is my suggesting and wishlist.

with the outfit station (previously dye station) you can make it so that what ever set you put on, you look like your wearing whatever style you want(as long as one of your characters know the style you want). Example: I can make my tank look like he's wearing all light bloodforge armor if I want. or mix/match any piece, any style that my crafter knows. that goes for weapons as well(which you can also dye) as long as it's the same kind of weapon i.e. you can make a sword look like any style axe, hammer, or even dagger. you can make your necro staff look like a soul shriven staff(again, if one of your toons know that style)) and even get rid of that horrible red. hope that helps.

idk · September 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Oh.. no. Appreciate the feedback all, but I'm not looking to change the custom or outfit. I'm talking about like.. let's say you find chest piece and it's Breton, but I want that same piece in a Dark Elf style.

You just make the outfit in the outfit system. It is irrelevant what you have found.

Zos will not implement a system to change the actual appearance of an armor piece as they already added a different system that offers a better end result.

Considering that even what you are talking about you would still need to know the motif just as with this system and with this system you just make the appearance of any and all pieces what you want them to be. Simple

Kiralyn2000 · September 2018

Basically, the Outfit System lets you build a "costume" out of armor & weapon styles that your characters know.

So, instead of actually changing the style of the armor piece you looted from Breton to Dark Elf, you instead make an "Outfit" that has the Dark Elf style. Etc.

(Make an outfit with Dark Elf Medium chest, Assassin's League light shoulders, High Elf med gloves, etc... and no matter what pieces you're actually wearing in those locations, you'll show the Outfit's styles instead....)

Easiest thing would be for you to find an outfit station (they replaced the Dye stations) and give it a try to see if it works for you.

WeaselGod · September 2018

pauli133 wrote: »

Outfits don't change the gear, it's just build-a-costume.

It's a pretty terrible surrogate for what players consistently asked for, but... it's what we've got.

How so exactly? What's wrong with it and what did players specifically ask for that the costume system didn't have? It's plenty better than what most MMOs have, for example you can't even dye armor pieces in WoW not to mention you have to go back and transmog again and waste time/money every time you get a new piece of gear, which is a lot. You also can't change heavy armor to look like literally any other weight, same goes with weapons.

Lake · September 2018

WeaselGod wrote: »

pauli133 wrote: »

Outfits don't change the gear, it's just build-a-costume.

It's a pretty terrible surrogate for what players consistently asked for, but... it's what we've got.

How so exactly? What's wrong with it and what did players specifically ask for that the costume system didn't have? It's plenty better than what most MMOs have, for example you can't even dye armor pieces in WoW not to mention you have to go back and transmog again and waste time/money every time you get a new piece of gear, which is a lot. You also can't change heavy armor to look like literally any other weight, same goes with weapons.

Yep.

As a new WoW player I was shocked how backward some of their systems were.

Kiralyn2000 · September 2018

The one improvement I'd wish is that it had more designs than just the motif & style pages. (Like, my one character is wearing the unique Encasement of Anguish chest armor. And I can't get that appearance from the Outfit system, so I've never upgraded their chest to a useful set. Or my character who's collected all the looted 'civilian' clothes, but can't wear any of them out of towns because they've no stats.)

Reverb · September 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Oh.. no. Appreciate the feedback all, but I'm not looking to change the custom or outfit. I'm talking about like.. let's say you find chest piece and it's Breton, but I want that same piece in a Dark Elf style. So, just like being able to transmute an Invigorating to Infused or Divine, I would like to be able to transmute the style to a different one. Similarly, you get Necro stuff in Rivenspire, but every piece is always Argonian. I do like the Inferno and Lightning staff in the current Argonian style and would like to change to whatever else, i.e. Daggerfall, EP or Aldmeri. Same goes with any other pieces. This is my suggesting and wishlist.

You can do exactly that with the Outfit system. You finally get the set piece you want, and it only comes in Khajiit. So you go to an Outfit station and change its appearance, now it looks like an Ancient Elf armor piece. Or maybe you want it to look like a Ra Gada medium armor piece, done. If you'd rather it look like an Order of the Hour light armor tunic, done.

You use dual axes for the bleed damage but you prefer the look of clubs. Click, boom, you now look like you're using Barbaric maces.

That's the Outfit system.

GreenhaloX · September 2018

Thanks for chiming in, all.. the outfit system sounds cool and all, but maybe I'm not grasping the clear concept of the outfit system yet. I will have to research and look more onto this outfit thing. However, as what I seem to understand from some you all's feedback is it's basically a system to hide your original armor with a costume or appearance of another. Well, if that is the case, I don't really want to hide my original armor. That is what I use my costumes for. I don't want to farm Necro pieces in Riverspire, per say, and then having to mask the Argonian style with another armor style in the outfit system. Although, it won't look like an Argonian, but the pieces are still Argonian underneath. I would like to change it entirely away from those pieces being Argonian to like Breton, for example.

Likewise, if you have the Imperial race upgrade, you can change certain armor pieces from something else when you got it and turn it completely into Imperial. That is what I am referring to. I would like to change the style completely and not have to mask it with another. It would be an option..

Mettaricana · September 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Oh.. no. Appreciate the feedback all, but I'm not looking to change the custom or outfit. I'm talking about like.. let's say you find chest piece and it's Breton, but I want that same piece in a Dark Elf style. So, just like being able to transmute an Invigorating to Infused or Divine, I would like to be able to transmute the style to a different one. Similarly, you get Necro stuff in Rivenspire, but every piece is always Argonian. I do like the Inferno and Lightning staff in the current Argonian style and would like to change to whatever else, i.e. Daggerfall, EP or Aldmeri. Same goes with any other pieces. This is my suggesting and wishlist.

Again the outfit station build a costume out of exsisting motifs you have collected so you could turn a set of medium dark elf into heavy breton it doesnt matter.

Taleof2Cities · September 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Likewise, if you have the Imperial race upgrade, you can change certain armor pieces from something else when you got it and turn it completely into Imperial. That is what I am referring to. I would like to change the style completely and not have to mask it with another. It would be an option..

Difficult to tell where you’re falling down in understanding the Outfit System ... since you can use the Outfit Overlay to display any known motif on any piece of armor or weapon.

Unless you’re throwing out another idea to mask your avulsion of paying gold for outfit changes??

Because the Outfit System is really robust in terms of what you can do for character customization.

As others have said, if you want your default armor to be a certain style, simply craft your gear using style stones in your preferred style.

Yeah, you don’t have a choice of style on dropped gear ... but changing style using transmute stones is way more expensive than changing styles using gold.

Finviuswe · September 2018

outfit station

TheShadowScout · September 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

...how about the option to transmute the armor and weapon pieces we get from drops and chests (or is that what the style token thingy does?)...

That is eclipsed by the outfit system, where you can assemble your "perfect looks" from any motives any of your characters has learned.
Personally I would have preferred transmuting each item... but the powers that be decided otherwise.

GreenhaloX · September 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

...how about the option to transmute the armor and weapon pieces we get from drops and chests (or is that what the style token thingy does?)...

That is eclipsed by the outfit system, where you can assemble your "perfect looks" from any motives any of your characters has learned.
Personally I would have preferred transmuting each item... but the powers that be decided otherwise.

Thanks for the feedback. It does make sense from what you said. I haven't gotten the grasp of the outfit system yet. I will have to play around with this more. I'm not referring to crafted pieces (as some have alluded to) as I can craft any style. I have a toon who is a Master Crafter (and soon to be the Grand Master.) However, If I can change the Necro pieces, for example, with the outfit system into another style and not just mask it, but change it away from being Argonian entirely; ok, then perhaps that would be fine. I'll look more into getting a better understanding of how the outfit system works.

IrishRonD · September 2018

No, you cannot change any pieces. ZOS also changed the way it converts to Imperial or Morag Tong styles. Instead literally changing the armor from whatever style to Imperial or Morag Tong, you get the full style available to use in the outfit station for costumes. You cannot craft that style however, unless you get the style books.

I did not like the outfit system when it first changed, I still hate that I cannot convert anything to Imperial or Morag Tong and have to pay for more costume slots (Hey ZOS, add more slots for Plus), but it has grown on me. I didn't like the notion of "masking" the style, either, at first, but it has grown me.

Another irk for the outfit system, is that I never had to pay to dye armor, but now I have to pay to dye a costume?