What does a Nightblade healer mean to you?

Tasear · September 2018

How do you see them as healers? How are they different from tanks or dps? I would like to hear about people's perception.

Drdeath20 · September 2018

Top end dps with off heals. Just burn through all content with basically 3 dps and a tank. Ignoring all mechanics and then complaining that the content is too easy.

Tasear · September 2018

https://discord.gg/AG3aSCz to discuss on the nightblade discord for lurkers

db0ssman · September 2018

For me it's a healer that has high HOTS with good burst heals but has poor native AOE/large group heals and has almost no utility in PvE content (sorry but you can't immobilize bosses and major expedition is just no that useful). It's ability to do damage, heal over time, and burst heal small groups makes it well suited for dungeons where individual differences matter a lot compared to trials where only a relatively few people need to be very strong in a trial to carry it (at least NM). It's lack of utility (sustain buffs with templars or buffs with warden) make it poorly suited for trials.

Silver_Strider · September 2018

If these changes go live, it means I'll be respecing back to a Magblade DPS instead of a healer.

There's little point in NB Healers without SOMETHING to offer the group, which is currently doing more damage than the other Healers. Every healer offers at least something to the group; Templars have on demand Resource return with Shards, Wardens offer Major Resistances/Minor regen, even DK healers have Engulfing Flame, Chains and Damage shields but NB doesn't have anything wholly useful to bring to a group in a Healer role outside of being a high damaging healer (Sorcs got screwed in this department as well but that's another discussion altogether). Slowly but surely, the aggressive playstyle that NB Tanks and Healer have had is slowly fading away and nothing is being added to compensate for these losses that will make either role worthwhile to include in end game, much less even play.

It's a huge step back in class diversity and I am not happy about it.

Drdeath20 · September 2018

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If these changes go live, it means I'll be respecing back to a Magblade DPS instead of a healer.

There's little point in NB Healers without SOMETHING to offer the group, which is currently doing more damage than the other Healers. Every healer offers at least something to the group; Templars have on demand Resource return with Shards, Wardens offer Major Resistances/Minor regen, even DK healers have Engulfing Flame, Chains and Damage shields but NB doesn't have anything wholly useful to bring to a group in a Healer role outside of being a high damaging healer (Sorcs got screwed in this department as well but that's another discussion altogether). Slowly but surely, the aggressive playstyle that NB Tanks and Healer have had is slowly fading away and nothing is being added to compensate for these losses that will make either role worthwhile to include in end game, much less even play.

It's a huge step back in class diversity and I am not happy about it.

Do you believe that shards are still unique?

ccfeeling · September 2018

I play NB healer in trial only , actually I don't have much time to do damages , do you ?

Always busy on checking teammate hp and location , spamming healing spring , combat prayer , heathy offering , funnel health , ward , drain , orb .

The reason I play NB healer is I like the ultimate speed regen , I could cast more warhorn or darkness .
TBH , we must have one templar healer in trial , I like to use other class when raid leader allow

Tasear · September 2018

ccfeeling wrote: »

I play NB healer in trial only , actually I don't have much time to do damages , do you ?

Always busy on checking teammate hp and location , spamming healing spring , combat prayer , heathy offering , funnel health , ward , drain , orb .

The reason I play NB healer is I like the ultimate speed regen , I could cast more warhorn or darkness .
TBH , we must have one templar healer in trial , I like to use other class when raid leader allow

Do you feel you are similar to other classes of healers in utility?

ccfeeling · September 2018

Tasear wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

I play NB healer in trial only , actually I don't have much time to do damages , do you ?

Always busy on checking teammate hp and location , spamming healing spring , combat prayer , heathy offering , funnel health , ward , drain , orb .

The reason I play NB healer is I like the ultimate speed regen , I could cast more warhorn or darkness .
TBH , we must have one templar healer in trial , I like to use other class when raid leader allow

Do you feel you are similar to other classes of healers in utility?

Yes and No .
Cored skills like healing spring , ward , orb and combat prayer , we play the same .
Build setting is a bit different , I run 3 x spell dmg glyph to enhance NB classical skills , funnel health and Sap Essence power .
We provide healing during dps , actually I just want to regen my ulti

NB healer good at HOT healing and the cost is quiet low or even no cost

We don't have 360 degree burst healing , so we have to pay very well attention on teammate location or we have to remind them about our healing range , they better stack if possible

Silver_Strider · September 2018

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If these changes go live, it means I'll be respecing back to a Magblade DPS instead of a healer.

There's little point in NB Healers without SOMETHING to offer the group, which is currently doing more damage than the other Healers. Every healer offers at least something to the group; Templars have on demand Resource return with Shards, Wardens offer Major Resistances/Minor regen, even DK healers have Engulfing Flame, Chains and Damage shields but NB doesn't have anything wholly useful to bring to a group in a Healer role outside of being a high damaging healer (Sorcs got screwed in this department as well but that's another discussion altogether). Slowly but surely, the aggressive playstyle that NB Tanks and Healer have had is slowly fading away and nothing is being added to compensate for these losses that will make either role worthwhile to include in end game, much less even play.

It's a huge step back in class diversity and I am not happy about it.

Do you believe that shards are still unique?

Never claimed Shards was unique, just that it was something that Templars offered to the group and has several benefits over orbs in that you can place them where ever they're needed instantly, they restore a bit more resources than Orbs (considering they restore both magic and stamina) they make Olorime placement a breeze and they do damage, regardless of morph. If that isn't enough support for Templar, let's also throw in the fact they're the only class with a built in Purge for the group that also comes with a HoT on top of its huge radius of effect.

The point is, Templar Healer has utility whereas NB Healers are being screwed out of what little they do offer.

Sparr0w · September 2018

What do they mean? Lower alkosh uptime in exchange for a little dps (this patch, not next).

Granted they can push insane hps, but 90% of the time you're overhealing anyway.

FrancisCrawford · September 2018

My approach to dungeon healing is to heal* when I should and damage when I can.** Dual purpose damage/heal or damage/battery skills are great for that.

*or buff.

*Note: My phrasing is a somewhat obscure reference to a well-known song. Can anybody figure out which one?

Nightblade has been an extreme form of this model, all on the damage/heal side, but that's getting nerfed away.

Luckylancer · September 2018

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If these changes go live, it means I'll be respecing back to a Magblade DPS instead of a healer.

Slowly but surely, the aggressive playstyle that NB Tanks and Healer have had is slowly fading away and nothing is being added to compensate for these losses that will make either role worthwhile to include in end game, much less even play.

That is ZoS type balancing. Take away significant stuff but dont add anything back. Like warden bird nerf. OP undodgableness went away and nothing is added, skill is hollow now.

So just adapt their patch notes. Look at Fengrush and Deltia, they were salty&angry. Now they are not serious while reding notes.