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Soldier of Anguish Stackable?
Koolio
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I already see this set being a problem if it stacks. 2-3 people on you would leave almost no counterplay. Negate 5k healing every 4 seconds with 100% uptime. Anyone else see a few people just light attacking someone down and they just can’t heal?
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Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Defile meta back again anyone?
Except it's 100% healing reduction with multiple people on you running it. Feels like Sloads 2.0.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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Syhae✭✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »This isn't defile .... lol I like to think of it as "stop holding block" set.
Personally I like to think of it as a "Stop Playing ESO and Finally Go Outside Dweebs" set. To each their own though
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WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »This isn't defile .... lol I like to think of it as "stop holding block" set.
Personally I like to think of it as a "Stop Playing ESO and Finally Go Outside Dweebs" set. To each their own though
"You mad bro ?" 😭 set ? So Staaahp holding block ! 🥔
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✭From what I hear, it is stackable. Even if it became non-stackable, I expect 100% uptime on this in group scenario.Defile meta back again anyone?
Except it's 100% healing reduction with multiple people on you running it. Feels like Sloads 2.0.
Very true.Shokasegambit1 wrote: »This isn't defile .... lol I like to think of it as "stop holding block" set.
Personally I like to think of it as a "Stop Playing ESO and Finally Go Outside Dweebs" set. To each their own though
True again. It's like as if they want us to stop playing the game. I like how person above you said that it is anti block set but it will be a bigger problem for non-blockers.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
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✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »This isn't defile .... lol I like to think of it as "stop holding block" set.
Except it doesnt trigger only on blocking targets but it can be applied as easy as spamming Suprise AttackIf you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.0 -
WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭@IZZEFlameLash You again ? Didn't I constructively destroy you on our last debate ?
Im done with defile... Now your trying to get this nerfed after 24hrs. C'mon man you gotta stop this rallying for nerfs and l2p bud. If it makes you feel any better my dark deal is nerfed, doesn't stop players like me from killing players like you. Did it before Dark Deal and Il do it after.
If it's stackable or not 5500 point healing negated il settle with. Might take a bit longer to kill but at least I know Its 100% now. And if you decide to out damage me all good there's a new weapon 2p for that, also a slow kill will be well worth it.
Players like me will always be 2 - 3 - 4 steps ahead of players like you. I hope you have a great night.... you want some advice play a warden seems they are the broken class now.2 -
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✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »@IZZEFlameLash You again ? Didn't I constructively destroy you on our last debate ?
Im done with defile... Now your trying to get this nerfed after 24hrs. C'mon man you gotta stop this rallying for nerfs and l2p bud. If it makes you feel any better my dark deal is nerfed, doesn't stop players like me from killing players like you. Did it before Dark Deal and Il do it after.
If it's stackable or not 5500 point healing negated il settle with. Might take a bit longer to kill but at least I know Its 100% now. And if you decide to out damage me all good there's a new weapon 2p for that, also a slow kill will be well worth it.
Players like me will always be 2 - 3 - 4 steps ahead of players like you. I hope you have a great night.... you want some advice play a warden seems they are the broken class now.
Destroyed eh? I only stopped responding because it wasn't worth my time. Why waste time with someone with obvious delusion of grandeur yet again demonstrated here as well. But by all means, keep thinking that you destroyed me in a 'debate'. If it makes you sleep easier, by all means, keep thinking that.
Oh, and stop with @ ing. It's annoying.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on September 19, 2018 4:00AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel14 -
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✭Well am I the only one that instantly thought of stamplars? jabs is considered melee so 4 hits should be aprox 100% proc on a single cast lmao. GL fighting them stacking that on top of sloads.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Soldier of Anguish (Medium)
2: Weapon Damage
3: Weapon Critical
4: Weapon Damage
5: When you deal damage with a melee attack, you have a 25% chance to traumatize your enemy, negating their next 5500 points of healing for 4 seconds. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.
The problem with this set is that it can have 100% uptime. 25% chance is quit a lot for a proc - set. So you can get perma - healing reduction even if you fight against one player.
And just a side note: Healing is reduced by half in cyrodiil. So you have to actually heal more than 11K (5.5K in Cyrodiil) in less than 4 seconds in order to heal at all.
And you can simply forget about almost ANY healing if you fight against 2 or more players at once. Sure - you might try to purge this effect - but seeing how it has 4 seconds cooldown you will run out of magicka quickly.
What can I say... another dumb OP set for dumb people. It is even worse than Sload.Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on September 19, 2018 12:29PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »The problem with this set is that it can have 100% uptime. 25% chance is quit a lot for a proc - set. So you can get perma - healing reduction even if you fight against one player.
Not "can." 100% does with something like rapid strikes. It promptly reapplies every 4 seconds.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think ZOS paid attention to the "Healers are useless" crowd and made a set that's best countered by having a dedicated healer in your PVP group.
Its going to suck to be a group of random in Battlegrounds facing a premade with a dedicated healer. Better hope that MMR works...2 -
Dashmatt✭✭✭✭Does this affect health regen at all or just actual healing?
If it’s active and you heal, but it is negated, will Troll King still proc?1 -
albesca✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »True again. It's like as if they want us to stop playing the game. I like how person above you said that it is anti block set but it will be a bigger problem for non-blockers.
I think they just want us to die.
In game, I mean.
Think of the Midyear Mayhem reports: damage done and kills make for more interesting stats than healing applied and death avoided (the latter just doesn't figure anywhere), so it's all about applying unavoidable damage and denying healing.PC EU
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BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭I already see this set being a problem if it stacks. 2-3 people on you would leave almost no counterplay. Negate 5k healing every 4 seconds with 100% uptime. Anyone else see a few people just light attacking someone down and they just can’t heal?
Shields?
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WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭Counter it by stop holding block ! Just stop ! Its easy take your finger off of the block button.
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✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Counter it by stop holding block ! Just stop ! Its easy take your finger off of the block button.
So, your argument is that the set is not overpowered because the target has the option of dying to the initial melee attack?1 -
WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭kringled_1 wrote: »Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Counter it by stop holding block ! Just stop ! Its easy take your finger off of the block button.
So, your argument is that the set is not overpowered because the target has the option of dying to the initial melee attack?
Have you played with the set ? In PvP CP ? How about BGs non cp ... I suggest in order to make a valid argument that you show this in combat. Until then nothing you say is or holds any to no validity.
Next question !Edited by WeylandLabs on September 19, 2018 5:57PM0 -
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✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Counter it by stop holding block ! Just stop ! Its easy take your finger off of the block button.
How does not blocking counter not being able to heal?PC/EU DC0 -
WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭Luigi_Vampa wrote: »Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Counter it by stop holding block ! Just stop ! Its easy take your finger off of the block button.
How does not blocking counter not being able to heal?
It's simple you have to move around a little bit faster with your finger off the hold block button to counter it. Maybe a dodgeroll into a vigor maybe dodgeroll into a shield. Idk all I know is plz stop permablocking in PvP.
But looking at this set stacks with incap, that's a RIP that major defile that incap has is insane.0 -
Mister_DMC✭✭✭✭✭It's gonna hurt that's for sure, BG's could be a problem and this could be the new Sloads. Take my medium armor Stam DK for instance, this set+defile+Master dw bleed+venomous claw. How are you going to outheal that? I apply at that stuff very quickly and usually use double dot poisons as well...0
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✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »kringled_1 wrote: »Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Counter it by stop holding block ! Just stop ! Its easy take your finger off of the block button.
So, your argument is that the set is not overpowered because the target has the option of dying to the initial melee attack?
Have you played with the set ? In PvP CP ? How about BGs non cp ... I suggest in order to make a valid argument that you show this in combat. Until then nothing you say is or holds any to no validity.
Next question !
No, I haven't used the set. But I wasn't making an argument either. Like Luigi_Vampa, I was confused at the connection you were drawing between the set and blocking, and my post was a snarky attempt at saying that.
Since you've clarified that your argument is that the set can be countered by dodging all melee attacks rather than blocking them, I at least understand the point you're making and can't argue with it's logic, although I rather doubt the practicality of continuous dodging to avoid melee hits.0 -
WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭kringled_1 wrote: »Shokasegambit1 wrote: »kringled_1 wrote: »Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Counter it by stop holding block ! Just stop ! Its easy take your finger off of the block button.
So, your argument is that the set is not overpowered because the target has the option of dying to the initial melee attack?
Have you played with the set ? In PvP CP ? How about BGs non cp ... I suggest in order to make a valid argument that you show this in combat. Until then nothing you say is or holds any to no validity.
Next question !
No, I haven't used the set. But I wasn't making an argument either. Like Luigi_Vampa, I was confused at the connection you were drawing between the set and blocking, and my post was a snarky attempt at saying that.
Since you've clarified that your argument is that the set can be countered by dodging all melee attacks rather than blocking them, I at least understand the point you're making and can't argue with it's logic, although I rather doubt the practicality of continuous dodging to avoid melee hits.
Did I say "All melee attacks" ? Where did you find that words "all melee attacks" in my sentence ? Why are you trying to manipulate the language I used, to rationalize your attempt to mock my post. Thus saying that you cannot block in a fight ?
Sounds a bit like hating bud, but all is welcome. The more you complain the more fuel I get to rally behind this patch.
Speaking of the patch you seen this, it's one of my favs.
https://youtu.be/1fRdYdISbj8 Edited by WeylandLabs on September 19, 2018 11:30PM0 -
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✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Counter it by stop holding block ! Just stop ! Its easy take your finger off of the block button.
So 2 people wearing this set spamming steel tornado and my options are
Block steel tornado and have 10k (almost a full rally crit heal) healing negated
Or dodge roll ( gets hit by both steel tornadoes and healing negated)
Come on. Really this is your answer to a set?
It’s not even a move. You can just wait for dodge roll light attack for technically 8k. 2-3k attack plus 5k healing negated not including glyphs.
3 people just light attacking you will be all that’s needed to kill someone.
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✭✭Healing regen is back baby!Caius
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✭✭✭✭✭Defile meta back again anyone?
Except it's 100% healing reduction with multiple people on you running it. Feels like Sloads 2.0.
Defile meta back yet this one again helps zergs and xv1.
Like every patch zos bring in another set that helps zergs.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »I think ZOS paid attention to the "Healers are useless" crowd and made a set that's best countered by having a dedicated healer in your PVP group.
The way I read it it blocks the next 5500 points of healing; it does not say self healing only, doesn't that mean that your dedicated healer can't heal you for 5500 if this is on you? Rendering healers useless again.
The counter is capped armor resistances and major/minor protection, really high health, and/or mist form.
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »I think ZOS paid attention to the "Healers are useless" crowd and made a set that's best countered by having a dedicated healer in your PVP group.
The way I read it it blocks the next 5500 points of healing; it does not say self healing only, doesn't that mean that your dedicated healer can't heal you for 5500 if this is on you? Rendering healers useless again.
The counter is capped armor resistances and major/minor protection, really high health, and/or mist form.
In a zerg this set is pointless to use against them.
When a zerg chases a smaller group with this set they're gonna kill everything.
The counter to this set is to be a healbot.
Set designed to deal with unkillable healers is countered by unkillable healers.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Counter it by stop holding block ! Just stop ! Its easy take your finger off of the block button.
So 2 people wearing this set spamming steel tornado and my options are
Block steel tornado and have 10k (almost a full rally crit heal) healing negated
Or dodge roll ( gets hit by both steel tornadoes and healing negated)
Come on. Really this is your answer to a set?
It’s not even a move. You can just wait for dodge roll light attack for technically 8k. 2-3k attack plus 5k healing negated not including glyphs.
3 people just light attacking you will be all that’s needed to kill someone.
Can you honestly say this set is a good idea.
Steel tornado ? Bro ... steel tornado is not considered melee. Do me a favor go and test or read facts on what is melee then get back to me.
This is what im talking about, if you don't even know what is considered melee why even try to debate this.
Test test test and after you come to a conclusion test again just to make sure.
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✭✭✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Luigi_Vampa wrote: »Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Counter it by stop holding block ! Just stop ! Its easy take your finger off of the block button.
How does not blocking counter not being able to heal?
It's simple you have to move around a little bit faster with your finger off the hold block button to counter it. Maybe a dodgeroll into a vigor maybe dodgeroll into a shield. Idk all I know is plz stop permablocking in PvP.
But looking at this set stacks with incap, that's a RIP that major defile that incap has is insane.
dodgeroll into vigor: stam only
dodgeroll into shield: not any more you aren't
Blocking has zero to do with this set. In fact, blocking BETTER because it mitigates the most damage of all the incoming stuff you can't heal.0