ZOS is targeting PvE more than PvP this time around. Thus the cast time.

It wont make Healers any more useful
Shield users wont be welcome in the groups, as they will be swapped out for higher DPS/survivability

Content needs to designed in such a way as to require healers for harder content & for it not just to end up a DPS race

you're mental buddy

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

It is all bad changes.

Shields can crit and have resistance now. So what? Sorcs will spec a little more into resistance and nothing is changed.
Cast time for the shields is a terrible mechanic, quite sure it will not make to live.
The overload bar was necessary on sorcs, as sorcs don't have all in one skills that do damage and buffs/debuff at the same time. Also they need 3 shields on their bars in order to hold the current damage.

IDK what's going on at ZOS studio. But it's clear that no one there is playing a mag sorc on live server.

They play magsorcs but not the type people usually play.

Ive seen plenty of streams with the magsorc hard casting Crystal Blast from the back.

They're hard casting blast? Really? Ok, they play magsorcs, but are not competent magsorcs imo. I mean, I've seen a fair few magsorc builds around, but none that are trying to push dps hard cast blast.

VaranisArano wrote: »

ZOS wants to change damage shields in PVE.

They made that clear in the last class rep meeting when they blamed damage shields for making healers useless.

Good try though.

While I agree with you I think ppl need to realize that not all healers are capable of keeping a group up. 90% of healers don’t understand what sets they need and why they need them. I think the game is fine the way it is. You need two healers in trials, they cannot be replaced there. Most ppl still need healers in normal and vet dungeons. I’d say the percentage of groups that can run vet content without healers successfully are small but all in all I don’t think adding a cast time to damage shields will help. What needs to be done is get someone that isn’t concerned on how fast they can dish out dlc’s and worry more about making challenging content that isn’t made difficult by lame snares and stuns. If they’re concerned about groups not needing healers then make the content require a healer instead of ruining solo play etc.

Mayrael wrote: »

You know that currently shields can't be affected by penetration BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO RESISTANCES that's why they adding it in next patch? This is what happens when someone without knowledge about game talks about balance. Firstly I would recommend you to read and understand this thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279426/damage-mitigation-explanation-updated-for-morrowind-new-calculator/p1

I know, man! I will not read anything, because I already know! You who didn't understand me! Read my post again.

VaranisArano wrote: »

joaaocaampos wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

ZOS wants to change damage shields in PVE.

They made that clear in the last class rep meeting when they blamed damage shields for making healers useless.

Good try though.

Oh, sorry then. When I read "counterattack opportunities", I thought it was something about PvP. In fact, these changes are greatly affecting PvE. If that's the point, they got it right. Unfortunately.

Oh, its definitely both a PVP and PVE nerf for damage shields.

If this were just a PVP nerf, though, the crittable shields and penetration change probably would have been sufficient for PVP and wouldn't have impacted PVE much or at all.

But ZOS wanted to change shields in PVE, hence the cast time change, which is probably overkill in PVP.

@VaranisArano I know it is. But cast time is not the way. But what do you think about what I suggested? ZeniMax should rethink.

• You can now deal a Critical Strike against an enemy with a damage shield.
• Poisons and Weapon Enchantments can now proc even if the damage done by the Light Attack, Heavy Attack, or Weapon Ability is fully absorbed by a damage shield.
• 662 Physical/Spell Penetration = +1% damage against an enemy with a damage shield.
• Increase cost in the same way as Healing Ritual. Annulment costs have been increased to 7290 Magicka from 4590 Magicka. Also adjust the Conjured Ward cost.

What do you think?

joaaocaampos wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

joaaocaampos wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

ZOS wants to change damage shields in PVE.

They made that clear in the last class rep meeting when they blamed damage shields for making healers useless.

Good try though.

Oh, sorry then. When I read "counterattack opportunities", I thought it was something about PvP. In fact, these changes are greatly affecting PvE. If that's the point, they got it right. Unfortunately.

Oh, its definitely both a PVP and PVE nerf for damage shields.

If this were just a PVP nerf, though, the crittable shields and penetration change probably would have been sufficient for PVP and wouldn't have impacted PVE much or at all.

But ZOS wanted to change shields in PVE, hence the cast time change, which is probably overkill in PVP.

@VaranisArano I know it is. But cast time is not the way. But what do you think about what I suggested? ZeniMax should rethink.

• You can now deal a Critical Strike against an enemy with a damage shield.
• Poisons and Weapon Enchantments can now proc even if the damage done by the Light Attack, Heavy Attack, or Weapon Ability is fully absorbed by a damage shield.
• 662 Physical/Spell Penetration = +1% damage against an enemy with a damage shield.
• Increase cost in the same way as Healing Ritual. Annulment costs have been increased to 7290 Magicka from 4590 Magicka. Also adjust the Conjured Ward cost.

What do you think?

So you want me to be able to cast a damage shield a mere 6 times and be completely out of magicka?

That idea is so bad, I'm surprised ZOS hasn't hired you and given 6 months of back pay before promoting you to combat lead.

Swap out circle of protection and ward. make one ward morph scale with stamina. go back to non critable, instacast, 18 secs dura and 100% strength in pvp. this way, everyone gets to enjoy extremely hard to play risk-reward mechanics and sorcs get something to give to the grp.

I used to play a game, where to counter shields, there was a shield overload trait. Say you did X amount of damage, shield overload would give bonus damage, but only to the shield. So if your damage was 100 by default, but you had 50 percent shield overload damage, you would do 150 to the shield depleting it faster. But then once the shield was down, you would go back to your normal damage. Base of 100. Rather than nerf this, nerf that, nerf, nerf, nerf! witch hunt. Perhaps add more counter options in pvp as a way to buff, rather than a blanket grass cut with the nerf mower. Enchant runes designed for pvp that grant extra damage against shields, etc. New runes and options for stats to play and counter play, boost to economy, gold sink with the new runes. Shield Overload Rune/Trait and Shield Booster Rune/Trait which would counter each other. And perhaps open up more elemental strengths and weaknesses. Fire Vs Water, etc.