It's nuts.

I don't even care for the finer detail as PTS can change its just the direction they gave chosen.

this class will be ruined along with the majority of classes that rely on light, its ridiculous!

madarame_77 wrote: »

Can anyone explain how this affects pve? Monsters can't crit, right?

Correct. Damage will also be mitigated by your resist stats before applying to your damage shield, whereas currently, you take 100% unmitigated damage. The shields in question (+all shields) will also be buffed in duration.

webrgesner wrote: »

Ok, i understand why you guys nerfed frags and runecage. Now shields can be crit? Thats okay with me. But a 1second cast time to put a shield up?? If its going to be that way then im just going to race change my magsorc to a stam sorc. Magsorcs are fine as it is now. Cmon zenimax -.- Its either too strong or too weak. No ones going to be playing magsorcs once this patch ocmes out

Most people I've talked to on discord have difficulty looking at these changes as a whole. Why even make a thread and mention the 2 "bad" changes without mentioning the good ones that are made in tandem?

Sincerely, a well-rounded player that tries to be minimally biased.

LegacyDM wrote: »

Peopl have been calling for crits on shields for 2+ years. This is not a surprise and in fact a good change. Now, the 1 sec cast time was completely out of the blue.

I'm not even convinced of that. It's certainly interesting, but I'm not sure it will give the result Zos intend.

Shields already drop in no time - with crit, they will drop even faster - which is why I can see they balanced that with having resists apply.
BUT, to get the benefit of that buff (taken into account penetration and light-armour resists) enough to offset crit enough to keep shield viable, players are probably going to have to move to heavy armour instead.

But then from a sorc perspective, they already run 1.5-2 sustain sets in PVE - and that's with the huge light-armour sustain benefits. How can they sustain in heavy? Or how can they sustain if keeping light but dropping a sustain set for, say fortified brass? Don't forget the dark-exchange nerf.

So, sorcs are instead gonna look at alternative ways to shield.. infused weapon-glyphs, sets that proc shields etc.. all which will potentially be stronger with heavy armour/high impen..
But then why can't other classes also do that? What do sorcs have that others don't to help them run heavy for defence?
What's to stop every heavy stam build from running a shield glyph and benefitting from the resists? Probably more than sorcs..
What's to stop heavy stam builds from being better at shields than magsorcs?

Kadoin wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Peopl have been calling for crits on shields for 2+ years. This is not a surprise and in fact a good change. Now, the 1 sec cast time was completely out of the blue.

I'm not even convinced of that. It's certainly interesting, but I'm not sure it will give the result Zos intend.

Shields already drop in no time - with crit, they will drop even faster - which is why I can see they balanced that with having resists apply.
BUT, to get the benefit of that buff (taken into account penetration and light-armour resists) enough to offset crit enough to keep shield viable, players are probably going to have to move to heavy armour instead.

But then from a sorc perspective, they already run 1.5-2 sustain sets in PVE - and that's with the huge light-armour sustain benefits. How can they sustain in heavy? Or how can they sustain if keeping light but dropping a sustain set for, say fortified brass? Don't forget the dark-exchange nerf.

So, sorcs are instead gonna look at alternative ways to shield.. infused weapon-glyphs, sets that proc shields etc.. all which will potentially be stronger with heavy armour/high impen..
But then why can't other classes also do that? What do sorcs have that others don't to help them run heavy for defence?
What's to stop every heavy stam build from running a shield glyph and benefitting from the resists? Probably more than sorcs..
What's to stop heavy stam builds from being better at shields than magsorcs?

ZOS wants you to go from light armor to using damage shield sets in heavy and transmuting jewelry. I said before that the sets that shield without cost are the real issue, yet ZOS hasn't addressed them. Let these changes make it to live, I know what I'll be doing.

Certainly looks like they're pushing everyone in PVP to heavy - despite saying they wanted to make light and med be more attractive..

Just prevent shields from stacking, period. Problem solved. No need for cast time on the only line of defense light armour users (aside from templar) have.

MrGarlic wrote: »

A change because of PvP that is going to affect PvE is always annoying.

I do not like this change at all.

It will affect those of us on high ping the most. Our reaction times are already hindered. This is just going to make it worse. It's a kick in the face to people not near the servers.

So tired of this...

Did Zos not state that they wanted to nerf shields to give PVE healers more of a role?
Does the crit damage nerf impact PVE in any way?
Resists? No, wait, that's a buff ..
Soo that leaves the cast time...

So tell me why the cast time change was done because of PVP?

I get so annoyed by PVE changes that break PVP.

Biro123 wrote: »

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So tired of this...

Did Zos not state that they wanted to nerf shields to give PVE healers more of a role?
Does the crit damage nerf impact PVE in any way?
Resists? No, wait, that's a buff ..
Soo that leaves the cast time...

So tell me why the cast time change was done because of PVP?

I get so annoyed by PVE changes that break PVP.

I don't usually have a healer following me around to heal me. There aren't enough of them to go around. This isn't going to change that. So what's the point of it?

Damage shields are very powerful because they can be used to instantly reduce incoming damage, and allow the user to stack offensive stats while also being very difficult to kill. Adding a cast time and increasing the duration makes this an ability to use proactively before damage happens, or at opportune times during combat.

From the patch notes, that is what they said. If that is not talking about PvP and shield stacking then what is it talking about?

Light got buffed big time. Shields got nerfed big time.

Didgerion wrote: »

Before switching to Stam-sorc consider that there won't be the 3rd overload bar, and the dark exchange now restore less resources. Also sorceress does not have a class spammable damage skill - which is a must for a good dual wield build.
The best bet is to switch to Stamplar or Stam-NB

Ohh yeah there is that "there won't be the 3rd overload bar

I retired my sorc, feeling sad as we spend a lot of time together in her becoming a Grand Warlord.

The_Outsider wrote: »

madarame_77 wrote: »

Can anyone explain how this affects pve? Monsters can't crit, right?

Correct. Damage will also be mitigated by your resist stats before applying to your damage shield, whereas currently, you take 100% unmitigated damage. The shields in question (+all shields) will also be buffed in duration.

webrgesner wrote: »

Ok, i understand why you guys nerfed frags and runecage. Now shields can be crit? Thats okay with me. But a 1second cast time to put a shield up?? If its going to be that way then im just going to race change my magsorc to a stam sorc. Magsorcs are fine as it is now. Cmon zenimax -.- Its either too strong or too weak. No ones going to be playing magsorcs once this patch ocmes out

Most people I've talked to on discord have difficulty looking at these changes as a whole. Why even make a thread and mention the 2 "bad" changes without mentioning the good ones that are made in tandem?

Sincerely, a well-rounded player that tries to be minimally biased.

And the good changes are...?

The sustain changes ONLY apply to a build that needed no sustain.

Shields were unnecessarily nerfed.

Dark Exchange was given an effective nerf.

Overload got a decent rework. Third bar was taken away which kinda sucks but at least the ability itself is neat now.

Overload was literally the only decent change and even that still was nerfed technically.

You cannot realistically say "oh but you gotta focus on the good AND the bad!" when the main overall point is that there were no good changes this update

Hal_Moore wrote: »

I find it amazing that so many mag sorcs run the same build and cannot fathom playing mag sorc any other way. Light armor is still great on mag sorc instead of relying on shields swap to resistances or major/minor protection. easy.

Also learning how to play a mag sorc without shields will do wonders for your sustain.

Sorcerer does not have access to major and minor anything

Uhhhm now you can bash the sorcs while they try and use their shields ?????
Ahahahahahahaha good one zos good one.
Good thing i left. Have fun boys