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With the outrage on recent change it is apparent that people have serious problems adapting.
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »
The irony of it is that that's exactly what I'm doing isn't it? Have I ever complained about nerfs on PTS? Not once. I'm calling out whiners. Because it's really not that hard.Edited by Nyladreas on September 17, 2018 10:51PM0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@Nyladreas
Yeah we’re just spoiled brats that are unhappy our shiny toys are being taken away. It’s funny a player who couldn’t kill anything on a stamNB in BGs and called for Sorc nerfs as a result calls the Sorc community „spoonfed“.
Doesn't this only prove my point further? "Couldn't" <- Past tense? I learned how to play as a non ganker, and it's fun. Took me a really long time too. And it took a lot more than just running around, LoSing and positioning.
Meanwhile I meet sorcs who really just stand in place spamming nothing but shields and waiting for their ult to burst you down in a telegraphed sequence, hoping to get enough frags to set you flying.
At least that's from my observations @Feanor. Forgive me for not actually meeting any magsorcs that made me go wow, this guy knows how to play. I know every other community has tons of players I bowed to and said GF. I'm also talking about the game, the whole class community and it's design. I don't pick out individuals just like everyone else in this forum loves to, cause let's hate people, let's hate each other on a personal level cause of a game and let's try to hurt them by brining out what's in the past.
I should also add that you of all people should know that my complaints and threads I've made saying "i can't kill anyone" were actually "pls help i can't kill anyone".Edited by Nyladreas on September 17, 2018 11:02PM0 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't worry. Someone will figure out the next cookie cutter build and you'll all be happy again.5 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@Feanor
Isn't he also the same guy who couldn't figure out how Cloak worked? I swear his name looks familiar from either being in or starting a bunch of noobtastic threads.
@Jinchuu Yes it was me, again, I was asking for help. Not sure what point does this bring into the argument. I've learned from my mistakes and improved my gameplay. Because people HELPED me. And i think this only proves my point further yet again. There are ways to learn if you don't know how to overcome things.
Everyone I'm targeting with this thread is simply whining for the sake of whining. On Day 1 of PTS. Look at the threads people are making. So much hate and inconsideration for the dev's work within the first 3 hours, it's honestly sad.
Edited by Nyladreas on September 17, 2018 11:06PM2 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So much hate and inconsideration for the dev's work within the first 3 hours, it's honestly sad.
You really think these are great changes and a job well done?Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.3 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So much hate and inconsideration for the dev's work within the first 3 hours, it's honestly sad.
You really think these are great changes and a job well done?
Apart from the PvE aspect which hurts strictly PvE players unfairly yes. Yes I do, a step in the right direction at least. I'm not saying leave it this way and go live. Yet again, I'm repeating myself, this is day 1. And people freak out.
What sucks is how it also affects other mag classes. Which was undeserved. Also, as I stated in OP, the crittable shields on top of everything is what I'm worried about. There might have to be number adjustments if they add 1 sec cast time.
Especially cause of us nightblades. A true glasscannon ganker can build for nearly double damage crits and that's impossible to defend against. And it's a super easy spoonfeeding/hand holding way to build a NB too. Just so you know, I'm not a 1 shot NB gank fan either. Or have you forgotten that I was a brawler, trying to play a NB like a DK?
All in all, it would've been fine if shields were simply just made crittable. The cast time was unnccesary. I was trying to give people an idea on how to change the playstyle while this change is BEING TESTED. Hence why the last sentence was added.
@FeanorEdited by Nyladreas on September 17, 2018 11:18PM0 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i'll be honest...at times I tend to view these constant game mechanic changes from a purely pvp perspective...
I do participate in vet 1 pledge dungeons - but, that's a far cry from pve end game...
yeah, you all are getting hosed...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place3 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭i'll be honest...at times I tend to view these constant game mechanic changes from a purely pvp perspective...
I do participate in vet 1 pledge dungeons - but, that's a far cry from pve end game...
yeah, you all are getting hosed...
I'm sorry this change hurts PvE. I am not okay with that either. @geonsocal2 -
Soleya✭✭✭✭✭
✭Totally clueless post.
I've played a proper glass cannon in other games (including Warhammer Online, WoW and GW2): they were glass cannons and 2 shot people.
Now, even gearing with PvE trial gear, I can crit opponents for ... 6.5k. YEAH REALLY CANNON for this glass!
6.5k crits? Your building glass cannon wrong.
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Lyss1991✭✭✭✭Spoonfed?? Thats laughable. Idc about PVP at all, I just wanna know why my PVE sorc has to suffer because of PVP complaints?!PS4 NA EST June 2016 | GM of Tamriel’s Outkasts Social Guild | Main - Assylah - Max CP Breton Mag Sorc - Master Angler - Mageslayer - Shehai Shatterer - Ophidian Overlord | Best Thief in Tamriel - Khajiit NB Purrfecta Meowna | Aspiring Master Crafter | Achievement Hunter | Recipe/Blueprint Enthusiast | Costume Junkie | Primary Residence - Princely Dawnlight Palace7
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Drummerx04✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do you know why we freak out on day 1? Because these changes are complete crap, and if we don't speak up then ZOS absolutely will not change their minds.
Even with all sorcs from all factions and platforms uniting with a unified voice only has a barely 10% chance of getting any of this crap undone by ZOS.
I've only remember 1 mechanical change that ZOS changed their mind on (lightning heavy attack AoE being removed). Any other change was just a minor tweak... usually to make the offending nerf even worse.PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
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Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sounds like OP never plays BGs if that's what he thinks. Sorc is dead if these patch notes go live. Also our class CC is getting nerfed AGAIN so there's that too...
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sounds like OP never plays BGs if that's what he thinks. Sorc is dead if these patch notes go live. Also our class CC is getting nerfed AGAIN so there's that too...
Yeah no CP willl prove to be much difficult, these changes are more in favour of CP. I can see where everyone bringing BGs is coming from.0 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sounds like OP never plays BGs if that's what he thinks. Sorc is dead if these patch notes go live. Also our class CC is getting nerfed AGAIN so there's that too...
Gee what's left to play now ? Remember stamina builds all became "dead" just a few months ago.
Seriously though..isn't that what people say about any given class when a patch makes changes ..."x class is dead now" ?
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Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Totally clueless post.
I've played a proper glass cannon in other games (including Warhammer Online, WoW and GW2): they were glass cannons and 2 shot people.
Now, even gearing with PvE trial gear, I can crit opponents for ... 6.5k. YEAH REALLY CANNON for this glass!
6.5k crits? Your building glass cannon wrong.
That's it! I am RUSHING to go and grab Dark Flare for my magsorc....
... oh wait.
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Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »Sounds like OP never plays BGs if that's what he thinks. Sorc is dead if these patch notes go live. Also our class CC is getting nerfed AGAIN so there's that too...
Gee what's left to play now ? Remember stamina builds all became "dead" just a few months ago.
Seriously though..isn't that what people say about any given class when a patch makes changes ..."x class is dead now" ?
Sorcs haven't EVER had a nerf this bad. Even the notorious frags nerf wasn't as detrimental to the class as this one will be. This is basically killing the entire sorc defensive kit.2 -
RexyCat✭✭✭✭
You can't burst heal through more damage then you have on your HP bar. If that damage is more then your HP, then you will be dead. A shield work as an extra HP bar which first need to become zero, until your HP will take a hit.
Example:
18 K HP + 18 K shield = 36 K before you will be dead
18 K HP + 18 K burst heal = 18 K HP that will take damage from direct damage; heal will only apply after damage to compensate for missing HP
Timing of a burst heal would need to be exact in the moment damage would happen. Another problem with this argument are that a build around burst healing would have to give up some damage (DPS) to even be able to have so much heal that it would mitigate damage in that range as shield have done so far.0 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So much hate and inconsideration for the dev's work within the first 3 hours, it's honestly sad.
You really think these are great changes and a job well done?
Apart from the PvE aspect which hurts strictly PvE players unfairly yes. Yes I do, a step in the right direction at least. I'm not saying leave it this way and go live. Yet again, I'm repeating myself, this is day 1. And people freak out.
People are freaking out on day 1 because the last patch had an overwhelming nerf to a mag sorc skill that only got worse with each pts update, to the point that the skill is completely unusable, and will be even more useless in the murkmire patch. What's funny is the same players happy about that change are the same ones telling mag sorcs to calm down and not worry about a game changing/breaking nerf.Edited by jaws343 on September 18, 2018 1:37AM0 -
Yellow_Monolith✭✭✭✭✭The only thing I didn't like about these initial patch notes is no addressing buffs for mag warden, no reworks for ice staff yet and no improvements to Nord racial passives (The Nords need everything they can get) but other than that fingers crossed these will be in week 2 patch notes.1 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sounds like OP never plays BGs if that's what he thinks. Sorc is dead if these patch notes go live. Also our class CC is getting nerfed AGAIN so there's that too...
Yeah no CP willl prove to be much difficult, these changes are more in favour of CP. I can see where everyone bringing BGs is coming from.
if shields are op devs shouldve just nerfed the bastion star. in non cp shields were too weak already and now they are completely useless2 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭oxygen_thief wrote: »Sounds like OP never plays BGs if that's what he thinks. Sorc is dead if these patch notes go live. Also our class CC is getting nerfed AGAIN so there's that too...
Yeah no CP willl prove to be much difficult, these changes are more in favour of CP. I can see where everyone bringing BGs is coming from.
if shields are op devs shouldve just nerfed the bastion star. in non cp shields were too weak already and now they are completely useless
Touching CP is too hard for the devs to do for some reason. Gotta punish everyone for CP issues, just like when they repeatedly nerfed BoL, even though leaving the CP stars allow you to possibly heal better with a stam char and other heals (obsidian shard, offering) to be greater in strength than BoL...
ZOS also claimed that people were hiding behind shields and using proc sets in PvP, when that was only possible on an NB because every other mag char has terrible sustain. Mag NB should be the class that feels it the least and will still be able to gank just as effectively before with proc sets. Their whole reasoning is flawed.1 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Salty! Maybe it's because of how sorcs are performing in trials, etc? Also look at cps, they keep raising them, so are nerfing skills to compensate for the ever growing cp issue?Edited by MajBludd on September 18, 2018 9:35AM0 -
lagrue✭✭✭✭✭
✭Or... like... maybe people don't like investing time into builds and gear, and even learning rotations only to have them gimped a day later.
I don't know, just spitballin here...
I'm pretty sure gamers shouldn't be constantly forced to adapt to changes which in turn pisses away their previous time investments - because as soon as they do adapt, it'll all get changed again... rinse... repeat....
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MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Think that's any mmo, right? The constant grind for gear due to changes good or bad0 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'll just leave this here.
Message is pretty clear.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on September 18, 2018 10:21AM3 -
haelene✭✭✭✭✭
✭Think that's any mmo, right? The constant grind for gear due to changes good or bad
Not constant, no. I'm pretty sure no MMO out there changes as fast as ESO. In fact, I think they might have a running in setting a record for the most amount of content released in 4 years in one franchise. It's actually quite much.Edited by haelene on September 18, 2018 10:22AM0 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i'll be honest...at times I tend to view these constant game mechanic changes from a purely pvp perspective...
I do participate in vet 1 pledge dungeons - but, that's a far cry from pve end game...
yeah, you all are getting hosed...
At this point, all I can do is laugh and shrug. I know from past experience that once the first PTS patch notes are posted, a majority of it is pretty much set in stone. So not much point in arguing."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1
