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With the outrage on recent change it is apparent that people have serious problems adapting.
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Let me start by saying I'm sorry for PvE players. I know this hurts you all too and I wish there was a workaround to this. Much of this topic is focused on PvP, so let's see if ZOS can fix the PvE for you.
I am one of the frequent complainers on the forums, yes. I fully admit to that because I'm not a delusional whiny zergling. However, I post complain topics in an effort to seek guidance, and help and learn how to better myself, how to become a good player. I don't complain to push nerfs, unless things promote braindead design.
It's only been a couple of hours and I already see people complaining about the changes to shield and evasion.... becase why? Because you can't just stand somewhere and take the pressure anymore? Because you're forced to actually pay attention and utilize others skills in order to outplay your opponent?
Let's take our sorcs here... You have various tools. You can use streak to get away to recast your shields. You can CC to recast your shields. All of you use swift now just like any stamina class does. Streak away for cover to recast your shield? Actually and truly outplay your opponent instead of waiting for your ultimate combo in the same spot abusing recovery sets like Engine Guardian*** so you cannot be stam starved in Immobilize/CC? Stamina poisons got a giant nerf in their numerical values too. So that plays more into your "crippled cards" already. 20% compared to 60% is a lot.
Oh but wahh wahh, we streak we get gap closed. No you don't you CC, Streak, Reposition/Los - Recast your shield. You are ranged classes, you're not supposed to be on the front line with warriors all the time tanking more than them. Get over it.
To all the NB whiners about Major Evasion... Same deal. You just want your hands held? You want some sort of chance to save your life instead of focusing on how to outplay your opponent? Instead of keeping track of what's happening on the screen? You want to avoid having to reposition/Los/escapeing combat as much as you have until now while dealing bazillion damage and only take off when something actually somehow miraculously manages to hit you? No. No more 100% damage mitigation as a random chance (which sometimes can happen 4 times in a row - yeah not fun). Just learn to play, utilize shade, there are so many NBs that dont even slot cloak and just use shade. I've seen it, I've done it myself. Invest more into dodge cost reduction. Invest more into recovery. Build around it, cause you CAN. You MF-in CAN. I refused that fact myself for a LONG TIME.
The moment i started building around my weaknesses like an intelligent player, instead of a zergling, i started doing better. While still at least a year to learn the game like a pro ahead of me, I've accepted how the game works, and got at least 10 times better.
Yeah btw i'm both a Sorc and a NB main.
New Evasion buff offers you a great tool at your disposal for both PVP and PVE btw. Ever heard of steel tornado? Yeah it hits like a wet noodle now if you're not stupid with it. Other AoEs? Same deal. They all hit really low. Ever see all those bosses in trials do 1348903892139 damage to your NB tank from AOES? Well it sucks they took something unique from a NB tank, but guess what it only affects occasional crushing hits that are completely avoidable. Not to mention we're still unique, we are what we are. We're siphoners, we're blood mages. Get that recovery to 8k and build your NB tank properly.
Oh but wahh wahh, noone will take a NB tank like that. Switch your guilds then. Find new friends.
*** Engine Guardian
(1 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(2 items) When you use an ability, you have a 10% chance to summon a dwemer automation to restore 1162 Health, Stamina, or Magicka every 0.5 seconds for 6.5 seconds.
(2 items - hidden) Acts as a meat shield.
The only thing I'm personally sceptical about currently is how much will the critical damage through shields affect the sorc's squishiness in the long run. It's a good step, but it might be too harsh without number adjustments. That's why we have the PTS. To test this change. So shut up, sit down, and wait. And keep learning.
EDIT: Just wanted to add that the recent nerfs that also affect other magicka classes are honestly unfortunate. Sorcs could've been balanced differently but this is the path ZOS chooses. As i said, let's wait further for upcoming PTS changes. This is only the first day.
EDIT2: Grammar.
EDIT3: Just so all of you here know. I do not 100% agree with the cast time addition. I feel like that part was unnecessary. But i feel like ZOS is anticipating everyone wearing Impregnable heavy now, so there must have been something else added. It could've been done differently, but this is the path ZOS chose, so let's wait for the last week of PTS first. Meanwhile, what i said above.
Edited by Nyladreas on September 18, 2018 9:22PM Let me start by saying I'm sorry for PvE players. I know this hurts you all too and I wish there was a workaround to this. Much of this topic is focused on PvP, so let's see if ZOS can fix the PvE for you.
I am one of the frequent complainers on the forums, yes. I fully admit to that because I'm not a delusional whiny zergling. However, I post complain topics in an effort to seek guidance, and help and learn how to better myself, how to become a good player. I don't complain to push nerfs, unless things promote braindead design.
It's only been a couple of hours and I already see people complaining about the changes to shield and evasion.... becase why? Because you can't just stand somewhere and take the pressure anymore? Because you're forced to actually pay attention and utilize others skills in order to outplay your opponent?
Let's take our sorcs here... You have various tools. You can use streak to get away to recast your shields. You can CC to recast your shields. All of you use swift now just like any stamina class does. Streak away for cover to recast your shield? Actually and truly outplay your opponent instead of waiting for your ultimate combo in the same spot abusing recovery sets like Engine Guardian*** so you cannot be stam starved in Immobilize/CC? Stamina poisons got a giant nerf in their numerical values too. So that plays more into your "crippled cards" already. 20% compared to 60% is a lot.
Oh but wahh wahh, we streak we get gap closed. No you don't you CC, Streak, Reposition/Los - Recast your shield. You are ranged classes, you're not supposed to be on the front line with warriors all the time tanking more than them. Get over it.
To all the NB whiners about Major Evasion... Same deal. You just want your hands held? You want some sort of chance to save your life instead of focusing on how to outplay your opponent? Instead of keeping track of what's happening on the screen? You want to avoid having to reposition/Los/escapeing combat as much as you have until now while dealing bazillion damage and only take off when something actually somehow miraculously manages to hit you? No. No more 100% damage mitigation as a random chance (which sometimes can happen 4 times in a row - yeah not fun). Just learn to play, utilize shade, there are so many NBs that dont even slot cloak and just use shade. I've seen it, I've done it myself. Invest more into dodge cost reduction. Invest more into recovery. Build around it, cause you CAN. You MF-in CAN. I refused that fact myself for a LONG TIME.
The moment i started building around my weaknesses like an intelligent player, instead of a zergling, i started doing better. While still at least a year to learn the game like a pro ahead of me, I've accepted how the game works, and got at least 10 times better.
Yeah btw i'm both a Sorc and a NB main.
New Evasion buff offers you a great tool at your disposal for both PVP and PVE btw. Ever heard of steel tornado? Yeah it hits like a wet noodle now if you're not stupid with it. Other AoEs? Same deal. They all hit really low. Ever see all those bosses in trials do 1348903892139 damage to your NB tank from AOES? Well it sucks they took something unique from a NB tank, but guess what it only affects occasional crushing hits that are completely avoidable. Not to mention we're still unique, we are what we are. We're siphoners, we're blood mages. Get that recovery to 8k and build your NB tank properly.
Oh but wahh wahh, noone will take a NB tank like that. Switch your guilds then. Find new friends.
*** Engine Guardian
(1 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(2 items) When you use an ability, you have a 10% chance to summon a dwemer automation to restore 1162 Health, Stamina, or Magicka every 0.5 seconds for 6.5 seconds.
(2 items - hidden) Acts as a meat shield.
The only thing I'm personally sceptical about currently is how much will the critical damage through shields affect the sorc's squishiness in the long run. It's a good step, but it might be too harsh without number adjustments. That's why we have the PTS. To test this change. So shut up, sit down, and wait. And keep learning.
EDIT: Just wanted to add that the recent nerfs that also affect other magicka classes are honestly unfortunate. Sorcs could've been balanced differently but this is the path ZOS chooses. As i said, let's wait further for upcoming PTS changes. This is only the first day.
EDIT2: Grammar.
EDIT3: Just so all of you here know. I do not 100% agree with the cast time addition. I feel like that part was unnecessary. But i feel like ZOS is anticipating everyone wearing Impregnable heavy now, so there must have been something else added. It could've been done differently, but this is the path ZOS chose, so let's wait for the last week of PTS first. Meanwhile, what i said above.
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oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's only been a couple of hours and I already see people complaining about the changes to shield and evasion.... becase why? Because you can't just stand somewhere and take the pressure anymore? Because you're forced to actually pay attention and utilize others skills in order to outplay your opponent?
Let's take our sorcs here...
its tears of joy. do you know that cage was nerfed one more time? it makes me happy. dark conversion was nerfed too, even overload was nerfed. this is the occasion of joy isnt it?10 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭i dont play magicka at all but cmoon dude. those nerfs were too much. i dont understand why companies always overnerf something.(blizzard,ubisoft etc.)24 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Or have their hands held.
I am one of the frequent complainers on the forums, yes. I fully admit to that because I'm not a delusional whiny zergling. However, I post complain topics in an effort to seek guidance, and help and learn how to better myself, how to become a good player. I don't complain to push nerfs, unless things promote braindead design.
It's only been a couple of hours and I already see people complaining about the changes to shield and evasion.... becase why? Because you can't just stand somewhere and take the pressure anymore? Because you're forced to actually pay attention and utilize others skills in order to outplay your opponent?
Let's take our sorcs here... You have various tools. You can use streak to get away to recast your shields. You can CC to recast your shields. All of you use swift now just like any stamina class does. Streak away for cover to recast your shield? Actually and truly outplay your opponent instead of waiting for your ultimate combo in the same spot abusing recovery sets like Engine Guardian*** so you cannot be stam starved in Immobilize/CC? Stamina poisons got a giant nerf in their numerical values too. So that plays more into your "crippled cards" already. 20% compared to 60% is a lot.
Oh but wahh wahh, we streak we get gap closed. No you don't you CC, Streak, Reposition/Los - Recast your shield. You are ranged classes, you're not supposed to be on the front line with warriors all the time tanking more than them. Get over it.
To all the NB whiners about Major Evasion... Same deal. You just want your hands held? You want some sort of chance to save your life instead of focusing on how to outplay your opponent? Instead of keeping track of what's happening on the screen? You want to avoid having to reposition/Los/escapeing combat as much as you have until now while dealing bazillion damage and only take off when something actually somehow miraculously manages to hit you? No. No more 100% damage mitigation as a random chance (which sometimes can happen 4 times in a row - yeah not fun). Just learn to play, utilize shade, there are so many NBs that dont even slot cloak and just use shade. I've seen it, I've done it myself. Invest more into dodge cost reduction. Invest more into recovery. Build around it, cause you CAN. You MF-in CAN. I refused that fact myself for a LONG TIME.
The moment i started building around my weaknesses like an intelligent player, instead of a zergling, i started doing better. While still at least a year to learn the game like a pro ahead of me, I've accepted how the game works, and got at least 10 times better.
Yeah btw i'm both a Sorc and a NB main.
New Evasion buff offers you a great tool at your disposal for both PVP and PVE btw. Ever heard of steel tornado? Yeah it hits like a wet noodle now if you're not stupid with it. Other AoEs? Same deal. They all hit really low. Ever see all those bosses in trials do 1348903892139 damage to your NB tank from AOES? Well it sucks they took something unique from a NB tank, but guess what it only affects occasional crushing hits that are completely avoidable. Not to mention we're still unique, we are what we are. We're siphoners, we're blood mages. Get that recovery to 8k and build your NB tank properly.
Oh but wahh wahh, noone will take a NB tank like that. Switch your guilds then. Find new friends.
*** Engine Guardian
(1 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(2 items) When you use an ability, you have a 10% chance to summon a dwemer automation to restore 1162 Health, Stamina, or Magicka every 0.5 seconds for 6.5 seconds.
(2 items - hidden) Acts as a meat shield.
The only thing I'm personally sceptical about currently is how much will the critical damage through shields affect the sorc's squishiness in the long run. It's a good step, but it might be too harsh without number adjustments. That's why we have the PTS. To test this change. So shut up, sit down, and wait. And keep learning.
EDIT: Grammar.
You do realize that most sorcs are not tanking players out of choice. They are doing it because stam players will always be faster than them and with limited stamina and overwhelming CCs and roots, it really is difficult to just streak away. And you suggestion to just stun. lol. Good luck landing a stun that can be dodged. Or one that takes 1.5 seconds to even work. In your suggestion this is a typical one on one engagement:
Stamblade: Incap+light attack from cloak on an unshielded mag sorc.
Mag Sorc: Cast Shield.
Stamblade: Bash+Surprise attack
Mag Sorc: Dead.
And if the mag sorc tries to stun and streak away instead of shield the bleed from the light attack that is ticking while you try to run away without a shield kills you. And if the bleed doesn't kill you, the stamblade just dodged your 1.5 second delayed stun and then that stamblade just gap closes you repeatedly until you are out of magicka or dead.
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Jinchuu✭✭✭✭^Now swap in a magden instead of magsorc and see how you're in an even worse spot, at least the sorc has a miniscule chance of swinging the fight whereas the magden just gets bent over.Unless you are willing to be a mindless sycophant and/or coddle others due to their insecurities prepare to be harrased by the Orwellian enforcers on these forums. You should also try to refrain from using any words more complex than those used by a small child due to the fact that said enforcers have made it clear that their vocabulary pool is aenemic.2
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NightAngel690✭✭✭To be fair, I don’t use blur or shuffle on my pvp stamblade. I don’t even use cloak. I solo play, Zerg surf and small group it. I’ve been playing pvp since I was able to at level 10.
One thing I have noticed is that for heavy armour toons, evasion is not needed. You’re tanky and can take a lot more damage. For medium armour, I found that I was a lot more squishy and it seemed like the evasion was needed. Even when I went up against someone wearing medium armour I never found shuffle annoying. Now I also pve with a nb tank and I found that blur was a godsend. Unlike dks, who have class damage shields, nbs only have heals and evasion. That Evasion is what I found to be unique to nbs and really, the nerf to make it into a protection is highly unjustified to the pve players.
The same goes for the shields. I’ve never had a problem fighting any magtoons in the pvp aspect. You just fear them just before the shield drops and then dbos them. The good ones you actually have to grind to try to kill them and even then there’s always a chance they can kill you. But for the pve aspect of the game, that one second could mean life or death, if your shield drops, and you need to wait one more second to cast it. My point is even though something might seem justified in PvP, doesn’t mean it works for pve and vice versa.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This thread is basically just the PvP point of view.
How abouts you do some endgame PvE as a mag char, now and after these changes? Shields were the only source of damage mitigation for mag in Trials, and now they're a delayed cast, which makes your reaction times slower, and makes stacking through things like Starfall very difficult.
Meanwhile stams can spam Vigor without a cast time, while holding block.
How's that balanced?PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa22 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭^Now swap in a magden instead of magsorc and see how you're in an even worse spot, at least the sorc has a miniscule chance of swinging the fight whereas the magden just gets bent over.
One difference. BURST HEALS ON DEMAND.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.1 -
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magden's only burst heal is shrooms / vines, and it's weak AF compared to other classes' burst heals (except magdk).0 -
Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭OP was probably responsible for all this nerfing.
C'mon!!! You know I've tried everything under Nirn's sun to mitigate damage and give myself any room to deal it with my magsorc. Now this! I keep defensive ruin up all the time, and streak away with boundless storm on, and yet CC remains ineffective because someone is closing the gap on me in short order. Now I can't even buffer that with shields. I'm basically screwed. I mean you talk as if it's easy, but I'll tell you what I have yet to encounter a large number of magsorc builds that are remotely close to invincible because of shielding.
In the 4 years I've played I can tell you I've adapted to changes more times than I care to admit. Where do you draw the line between smart play, and dumb mechanics?2 -
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✭You don't understand the game mechanics well enough to comment on class balance.13 -
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✭if the game ran completely flawless you MIGHT have had a point in this. it dosen't though, so enjoy a 1 second cast time that's gonna be about 2 - 3 seconds during primetime.:]10 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭^Now swap in a magden instead of magsorc and see how you're in an even worse spot, at least the sorc has a miniscule chance of swinging the fight whereas the magden just gets bent over.
2 wrongs don't make 1 right you know?Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
Trials addict, soloer extraordinaire!
Here are my Elder Scrolls Online videos
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Jinchuu✭✭✭✭
One difference. BURST HEALS ON DEMAND.
You've obviously never played a proper magden. Only things I have on my bar that provide healing are vines and forward momentum. Sure you could backbar a resto if you want to end up doing nothing more than ending up gettng stuck there spamming heals and eventually dying.
I never said that they did, was simply poiting out that there's a class out there that has it worse than sorcs yet all everyone wants to do is focus on sorcs for whatever reason.
Unless you are willing to be a mindless sycophant and/or coddle others due to their insecurities prepare to be harrased by the Orwellian enforcers on these forums. You should also try to refrain from using any words more complex than those used by a small child due to the fact that said enforcers have made it clear that their vocabulary pool is aenemic.1 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭Im not sure that the anger related to the change itself.
It's more about why it wasn't like this to start with. It takes time to learn how things work.
Any fun is sapped away when you are forced to relearn or rethink your build.
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Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
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One difference. BURST HEALS ON DEMAND.
You've obviously never played a proper magden. Only things I have on my bar that provide healing are vines and forward momentum. Sure you could backbar a resto if you want to end up doing nothing more than ending up gettng stuck there spamming heals and eventually dying.
I never said that they did, was simply poiting out that there's a class out there that has it worse than sorcs yet all everyone wants to do is focus on sorcs for whatever reason.
Whatever reason is: magsorcs can only DPS, however they are already obsoleted by magblades and this will only get worse.
In PvP, wardens can be decent, magsorcs won't even be worth *trying* to PvP with. As of now you have to recast shield every 2 spells and now there's an interruptible, 1 second delay on top of that!Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
Trials addict, soloer extraordinaire!
Here are my Elder Scrolls Online videos
Here is the Sorcerer Helper addon I have updated to work on current ESO0 -
Bakkagami✭✭✭Or have their hands held.
I am one of the frequent complainers on the forums, yes. I fully admit to that because I'm not a delusional whiny zergling. However, I post complain topics in an effort to seek guidance, and help and learn how to better myself, how to become a good player. I don't complain to push nerfs, unless things promote braindead design.
It's only been a couple of hours and I already see people complaining about the changes to shield and evasion.... becase why? Because you can't just stand somewhere and take the pressure anymore? Because you're forced to actually pay attention and utilize others skills in order to outplay your opponent?
Let's take our sorcs here... You have various tools. You can use streak to get away to recast your shields. You can CC to recast your shields. All of you use swift now just like any stamina class does. Streak away for cover to recast your shield? Actually and truly outplay your opponent instead of waiting for your ultimate combo in the same spot abusing recovery sets like Engine Guardian*** so you cannot be stam starved in Immobilize/CC? Stamina poisons got a giant nerf in their numerical values too. So that plays more into your "crippled cards" already. 20% compared to 60% is a lot.
Oh but wahh wahh, we streak we get gap closed. No you don't you CC, Streak, Reposition/Los - Recast your shield. You are ranged classes, you're not supposed to be on the front line with warriors all the time tanking more than them. Get over it.
To all the NB whiners about Major Evasion... Same deal. You just want your hands held? You want some sort of chance to save your life instead of focusing on how to outplay your opponent? Instead of keeping track of what's happening on the screen? You want to avoid having to reposition/Los/escapeing combat as much as you have until now while dealing bazillion damage and only take off when something actually somehow miraculously manages to hit you? No. No more 100% damage mitigation as a random chance (which sometimes can happen 4 times in a row - yeah not fun). Just learn to play, utilize shade, there are so many NBs that dont even slot cloak and just use shade. I've seen it, I've done it myself. Invest more into dodge cost reduction. Invest more into recovery. Build around it, cause you CAN. You MF-in CAN. I refused that fact myself for a LONG TIME.
The moment i started building around my weaknesses like an intelligent player, instead of a zergling, i started doing better. While still at least a year to learn the game like a pro ahead of me, I've accepted how the game works, and got at least 10 times better.
Yeah btw i'm both a Sorc and a NB main.
New Evasion buff offers you a great tool at your disposal for both PVP and PVE btw. Ever heard of steel tornado? Yeah it hits like a wet noodle now if you're not stupid with it. Other AoEs? Same deal. They all hit really low. Ever see all those bosses in trials do 1348903892139 damage to your NB tank from AOES? Well it sucks they took something unique from a NB tank, but guess what it only affects occasional crushing hits that are completely avoidable. Not to mention we're still unique, we are what we are. We're siphoners, we're blood mages. Get that recovery to 8k and build your NB tank properly.
Oh but wahh wahh, noone will take a NB tank like that. Switch your guilds then. Find new friends.
*** Engine Guardian
(1 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(2 items) When you use an ability, you have a 10% chance to summon a dwemer automation to restore 1162 Health, Stamina, or Magicka every 0.5 seconds for 6.5 seconds.
(2 items - hidden) Acts as a meat shield.
The only thing I'm personally sceptical about currently is how much will the critical damage through shields affect the sorc's squishiness in the long run. It's a good step, but it might be too harsh without number adjustments. That's why we have the PTS. To test this change. So shut up, sit down, and wait. And keep learning.
EDIT: Grammar.
You do realize that most sorcs are not tanking players out of choice. They are doing it because stam players will always be faster than them and with limited stamina and overwhelming CCs and roots, it really is difficult to just streak away. And you suggestion to just stun. lol. Good luck landing a stun that can be dodged. Or one that takes 1.5 seconds to even work. In your suggestion this is a typical one on one engagement:
Stamblade: Incap+light attack from cloak on an unshielded mag sorc.
Mag Sorc: Cast Shield.
Stamblade: Bash+Surprise attack
Mag Sorc: Dead.
And if the mag sorc tries to stun and streak away instead of shield the bleed from the light attack that is ticking while you try to run away without a shield kills you. And if the bleed doesn't kill you, the stamblade just dodged your 1.5 second delayed stun and then that stamblade just gap closes you repeatedly until you are out of magicka or dead.
You can streak while rooted or snared so it counter the counter to mobility. Noone is dodging a point blank destro reach without passive dodge chance anymore. You can still use the other morph of rune to cc someone pressuring u.
Most magsorcs aren't gaining distance now because they simply don't NEED to in the current iteration when it negates crit damage and can be instantly reapplies essentially continuously refilling an extra 15k+ health bar, making shield stacking a better use of time and resources than gaining distance. Not to mention that with the previous interrupt changes once you get cc immunity you cannot be bashed again for 6 seconds. so relocating and applying shields can be done during that time.
The basis for the qqing is basically basically like op said, a desire to be spoon fed. Your a damage oriented light armor setup, essentially a glass cannon. The fact that u can build to glass cannon and higher resistance builds have to rely more on LOS than a LA sorc was ridiculous.
Each class has ways mitigate damage or otherwise recover. sorc streak into wards (since they specialize in wards), nb shade/cloak, templar burst healing, dk cc/heals, warden healing (yea warden is still the worst off lol). The difference between now and before is wards will have to take a bit strategic gameplay to use properly. Also, for an emergency, healing ward is still an effective "oh crap" ward.1 -
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✭✭✭✭The issue with the shield cast time is that it screws every magicka user who uses them, in both pvp and pve."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power1 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Or have their hands held.
I am one of the frequent complainers on the forums, yes. I fully admit to that because I'm not a delusional whiny zergling. However, I post complain topics in an effort to seek guidance, and help and learn how to better myself, how to become a good player. I don't complain to push nerfs, unless things promote braindead design.
It's only been a couple of hours and I already see people complaining about the changes to shield and evasion.... becase why? Because you can't just stand somewhere and take the pressure anymore? Because you're forced to actually pay attention and utilize others skills in order to outplay your opponent?
Let's take our sorcs here... You have various tools. You can use streak to get away to recast your shields. You can CC to recast your shields. All of you use swift now just like any stamina class does. Streak away for cover to recast your shield? Actually and truly outplay your opponent instead of waiting for your ultimate combo in the same spot abusing recovery sets like Engine Guardian*** so you cannot be stam starved in Immobilize/CC? Stamina poisons got a giant nerf in their numerical values too. So that plays more into your "crippled cards" already. 20% compared to 60% is a lot.
Oh but wahh wahh, we streak we get gap closed. No you don't you CC, Streak, Reposition/Los - Recast your shield. You are ranged classes, you're not supposed to be on the front line with warriors all the time tanking more than them. Get over it.
To all the NB whiners about Major Evasion... Same deal. You just want your hands held? You want some sort of chance to save your life instead of focusing on how to outplay your opponent? Instead of keeping track of what's happening on the screen? You want to avoid having to reposition/Los/escapeing combat as much as you have until now while dealing bazillion damage and only take off when something actually somehow miraculously manages to hit you? No. No more 100% damage mitigation as a random chance (which sometimes can happen 4 times in a row - yeah not fun). Just learn to play, utilize shade, there are so many NBs that dont even slot cloak and just use shade. I've seen it, I've done it myself. Invest more into dodge cost reduction. Invest more into recovery. Build around it, cause you CAN. You MF-in CAN. I refused that fact myself for a LONG TIME.
The moment i started building around my weaknesses like an intelligent player, instead of a zergling, i started doing better. While still at least a year to learn the game like a pro ahead of me, I've accepted how the game works, and got at least 10 times better.
Yeah btw i'm both a Sorc and a NB main.
New Evasion buff offers you a great tool at your disposal for both PVP and PVE btw. Ever heard of steel tornado? Yeah it hits like a wet noodle now if you're not stupid with it. Other AoEs? Same deal. They all hit really low. Ever see all those bosses in trials do 1348903892139 damage to your NB tank from AOES? Well it sucks they took something unique from a NB tank, but guess what it only affects occasional crushing hits that are completely avoidable. Not to mention we're still unique, we are what we are. We're siphoners, we're blood mages. Get that recovery to 8k and build your NB tank properly.
Oh but wahh wahh, noone will take a NB tank like that. Switch your guilds then. Find new friends.
*** Engine Guardian
(1 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(2 items) When you use an ability, you have a 10% chance to summon a dwemer automation to restore 1162 Health, Stamina, or Magicka every 0.5 seconds for 6.5 seconds.
(2 items - hidden) Acts as a meat shield.
The only thing I'm personally sceptical about currently is how much will the critical damage through shields affect the sorc's squishiness in the long run. It's a good step, but it might be too harsh without number adjustments. That's why we have the PTS. To test this change. So shut up, sit down, and wait. And keep learning.
EDIT: Grammar.
You do realize that most sorcs are not tanking players out of choice. They are doing it because stam players will always be faster than them and with limited stamina and overwhelming CCs and roots, it really is difficult to just streak away. And you suggestion to just stun. lol. Good luck landing a stun that can be dodged. Or one that takes 1.5 seconds to even work. In your suggestion this is a typical one on one engagement:
Stamblade: Incap+light attack from cloak on an unshielded mag sorc.
Mag Sorc: Cast Shield.
Stamblade: Bash+Surprise attack
Mag Sorc: Dead.
And if the mag sorc tries to stun and streak away instead of shield the bleed from the light attack that is ticking while you try to run away without a shield kills you. And if the bleed doesn't kill you, the stamblade just dodged your 1.5 second delayed stun and then that stamblade just gap closes you repeatedly until you are out of magicka or dead.
You can streak while rooted or snared so it counter the counter to mobility. Noone is dodging a point blank destro reach without passive dodge chance anymore. You can still use the other morph of rune to cc someone pressuring u.
Most magsorcs aren't gaining distance now because they simply don't NEED to in the current iteration when it negates crit damage and can be instantly reapplies essentially continuously refilling an extra 15k+ health bar, making shield stacking a better use of time and resources than gaining distance. Not to mention that with the previous interrupt changes once you get cc immunity you cannot be bashed again for 6 seconds. so relocating and applying shields can be done during that time.
The basis for the qqing is basically basically like op said, a desire to be spoon fed. Your a damage oriented light armor setup, essentially a glass cannon. The fact that u can build to glass cannon and higher resistance builds have to rely more on LOS than a LA sorc was ridiculous.
Each class has ways mitigate damage or otherwise recover. sorc streak into wards (since they specialize in wards), nb shade/cloak, templar burst healing, dk cc/heals, warden healing (yea warden is still the worst off lol). The difference between now and before is wards will have to take a bit strategic gameplay to use properly. Also, for an emergency, healing ward is still an effective "oh crap" ward.
Totally clueless post.
I've played a proper glass cannon in other games (including Warhammer Online, WoW and GW2): they were glass cannons and 2 shot people.
Now, even gearing with PvE trial gear, I can crit opponents for ... 6.5k. YEAH REALLY CANNON for this glass!Edited by Vahrokh on September 17, 2018 9:54PMVaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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✭✭Those who don't see problem with shields change obviously have not played a mag char and faced the "tanky stam builds" that do a load of damage and barely take any. The patch notes are effectively a buff to stam across the board. Now stam builds have better access to shields...great, right? That's the only positive in the changes.2 -
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Whatever reason is: magsorcs can only DPS, however they are already obsoleted by magblades and this will only get worse.
In PvP, wardens can be decent, magsorcs won't even be worth *trying* to PvP with. As of now you have to recast shield every 2 spells and now there's an interruptible, 1 second delay on top of that!
Please explain to me how you figure a warden with no disengage tool and no CC outside of an ult who is having their only survivability tools dumpstered is in a better spot than a sorc.Unless you are willing to be a mindless sycophant and/or coddle others due to their insecurities prepare to be harrased by the Orwellian enforcers on these forums. You should also try to refrain from using any words more complex than those used by a small child due to the fact that said enforcers have made it clear that their vocabulary pool is aenemic.0 -
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✭✭✭Here is PVP from Murkmire onwards:
Plus, the super common spammable Crushing Shock can also interrupt shielding up.
Basically they remove shields completely, by making them just stupid to ever use.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Yeah we’re just spoiled brats that are unhappy our shiny toys are being taken away. It’s funny a player who couldn’t kill anything on a stamNB in BGs and called for Sorc nerfs as a result calls the Sorc community „spoonfed“.Edited by Feanor on September 17, 2018 10:21PMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.15 -
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✭Try 'streaking' around vMA, or in a vet trial and let us know how that goes. Maybe shields did need a nerf from a PVP point of view, all I know is that this idiotic cast time means I will no longer be able to do endgame PvE stuff on my sorc which I've been playing and honing and learning for 4 and half bloody years.PC EU & NA12 -
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Isn't he also the same guy who couldn't figure out how Cloak worked? I swear his name looks familiar from either being in or starting a bunch of noobtastic threads.
Edited by Jinchuu on September 17, 2018 10:29PMUnless you are willing to be a mindless sycophant and/or coddle others due to their insecurities prepare to be harrased by the Orwellian enforcers on these forums. You should also try to refrain from using any words more complex than those used by a small child due to the fact that said enforcers have made it clear that their vocabulary pool is aenemic.6 -
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Isn't he also the same guy who couldn't figure out how Cloak worked? I swear his name looks familiar from either being in or starting a bunch of noobtastic threads.
Idk about that in particular, but yes that is basically what this poster is all aboutValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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It's only been a couple of hours and I already see people complaining about the changes to shield and evasion.... becase why? Because you can't just stand somewhere and take the pressure anymore? Because you're forced to actually pay attention and utilize others skills in order to outplay your opponent?
EDIT: Grammar.
You are correct.
Remove Vigour/self heals/shields from the game. All classes
Want defense? Wear a heavy set or slot a restro.
There ya go! I mean...healers DID want to be more used in 4 mans right?0 -
Lasinagol✭✭✭I am gonna whine until someone holds my hand...
Not happening...guess I hafta git gud.
Zos could've just made shields crittable instead of nerfing the *** out of it. I can deal with the sorc being nerfed patch after patch since I started playing...but at what point will Zos buff to balance instead of nerf more stuff to nerf everything else down the road?
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