What happened to heavy armor?
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evoniee✭✭✭✭The good things of using heavy is
1. we can use certain sets that reearding us from being tanky. 7th legion, warrior's fury, dessert rose
2. being tanky that mean better sustain and more window to pressure without worry to get burst cause we have more mitigation, more heal, dont need to cast heal so often0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭The good things of using heavy is
1. we can use certain sets that reearding us from being tanky. 7th legion, warrior's fury, dessert rose
2. being tanky that mean better sustain and more window to pressure without worry to get burst cause we have more mitigation, more heal, dont need to cast heal so often
The moment you take a damage set in heavy as magicka. You dieI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can technically do fury/fort brass in medium. Though seventh/fort brass probably would work better.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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I would love to hear the argument behind this.The good things of using heavy is
1. we can use certain sets that reearding us from being tanky. 7th legion, warrior's fury, dessert rose
2. being tanky that mean better sustain and more window to pressure without worry to get burst cause we have more mitigation, more heal, dont need to cast heal so often
The moment you take a damage set in heavy as magicka. You die2 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Heavy armor can’t be buffed fairly because there’s too much free damage around. It’s too easy to build tanks and still output damage. It’s ZOS fault, they did a bad job of balancing the game and try to cater to lower skill levels which means handing out free damage.3 -
Finviuswe✭✭✭✭Heavy armor can’t be buffed fairly because there’s too much free damage around. It’s too easy to build tanks and still output damage. It’s ZOS fault, they did a bad job of balancing the game and try to cater to lower skill levels which means handing out free damage.
Or, you can just embrace the playstyle.
Playing as a squishy is not very fun, you are forced to do that in medium
Just run heavy it's clearly better that is why most ppl running it3 -
Soris✭✭✭✭✭
✭Actually heavy armor magplar and magdk aren't too terribly bad. I often find myself switch between heavy and light and i'm failing to decide which is better. They both have pros and cons. Though when you consider bleeds and oblivion damage, heavy becomes crippled but still the healing bonus comes handy.
Maybe the constitution passive needs a bit buffing. And that immovable skill needs to be changed.Edited by Soris on September 17, 2018 8:45AMWelkynd [Templar/AD/EU]1 -
Finviuswe✭✭✭✭Actually heavy armor magplar and magdk aren't too terribly bad. I often find myself switch between heavy and light and i'm failing to decide which is better. They both have pros and cons. Though when you consider bleeds and oblivion damage, heavy becomes crippled but still the healing bonus comes handy.
Maybe the constitution passive needs a bit buffing. And that immovable skill needs to be changed.
It's bizarre immovable is in the game
The cost is far too high for it to be legitimate, or warrant using.0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
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I would love to hear the argument behind this.The good things of using heavy is
1. we can use certain sets that reearding us from being tanky. 7th legion, warrior's fury, dessert rose
2. being tanky that mean better sustain and more window to pressure without worry to get burst cause we have more mitigation, more heal, dont need to cast heal so often
The moment you take a damage set in heavy as magicka. You die
You don't have enough resources as magicka in heavy armor to run damage setsI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Heavy armor can’t be buffed fairly because there’s too much free damage around. It’s too easy to build tanks and still output damage. It’s ZOS fault, they did a bad job of balancing the game and try to cater to lower skill levels which means handing out free damage.
Or, you can just embrace the playstyle.
Playing as a squishy is not very fun, you are forced to do that in medium
Just run heavy it's clearly better that is why most ppl running it
The matter is that in light/medium you aren't that much squishy.I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Finviuswe✭✭✭✭Heavy armor can’t be buffed fairly because there’s too much free damage around. It’s too easy to build tanks and still output damage. It’s ZOS fault, they did a bad job of balancing the game and try to cater to lower skill levels which means handing out free damage.
Or, you can just embrace the playstyle.
Playing as a squishy is not very fun, you are forced to do that in medium
Just run heavy it's clearly better that is why most ppl running it
The matter is that in light/medium you aren't that much squishy.
No? I wasn't wondering what you were thinking
Your opinion is worthless to me. I don't need broken ideas here.Edited by Finviuswe on September 17, 2018 9:55AM0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Heavy armour vs. Light Armour is roughly a 9% trade-off between damage taken/damage done. At least on my magplar, that's the % I keep coming up with.
They're changing Light/Med with Murkmire(or so it sounds like, at least).
Less. A snipe does 5k on heavy. 7k on light armor
My destro does twice the damage in light then in heavy
The damage/tank tradeoff for heavy it's unfair. They should buff the hell out heavy armor tank.
Yeah, right... I'm lucky to do above 3k damage with Asylum Snipes (i.e. highest dmg non-ultimate that can hit you) on a heavy armor tanktard.
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What? Is this the same DDuke that set the bar at 10k Rune Cage?4 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Heavy armor can’t be buffed fairly because there’s too much free damage around. It’s too easy to build tanks and still output damage. It’s ZOS fault, they did a bad job of balancing the game and try to cater to lower skill levels which means handing out free damage.
Or, you can just embrace the playstyle.
Playing as a squishy is not very fun, you are forced to do that in medium
Just run heavy it's clearly better that is why most ppl running it
The matter is that in light/medium you aren't that much squishy.
No? I wasn't wondering what you were thinking
Your opinion is worthless to me. I don't need broken ideas here.
He means after battlespirit, you really aren't that much different. And in some specs, you can get the minor vitality so really the only bonuses left are extra health, extra health Regen, and extra resorces on heavy attacks which stamina builds use in heavy rotation with melee weapons.
For mag, LA is better, if you can get 8% healing.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Finviuswe✭✭✭✭Heavy armor can’t be buffed fairly because there’s too much free damage around. It’s too easy to build tanks and still output damage. It’s ZOS fault, they did a bad job of balancing the game and try to cater to lower skill levels which means handing out free damage.
Or, you can just embrace the playstyle.
Playing as a squishy is not very fun, you are forced to do that in medium
Just run heavy it's clearly better that is why most ppl running it
The matter is that in light/medium you aren't that much squishy.
No? I wasn't wondering what you were thinking
Your opinion is worthless to me. I don't need broken ideas here.
He means after battlespirit, you really aren't that much different. And in some specs, you can get the minor vitality so really the only bonuses left are extra health, extra health Regen, and extra resorces on heavy attacks which stamina builds use in heavy rotation with melee weapons.
For mag, LA is better, if you can get 8% healing.
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Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Heavy armor can’t be buffed fairly because there’s too much free damage around. It’s too easy to build tanks and still output damage. It’s ZOS fault, they did a bad job of balancing the game and try to cater to lower skill levels which means handing out free damage.
Or, you can just embrace the playstyle.
Playing as a squishy is not very fun, you are forced to do that in medium
Just run heavy it's clearly better that is why most ppl running it
The matter is that in light/medium you aren't that much squishy.
No? I wasn't wondering what you were thinking
Your opinion is worthless to me. I don't need broken ideas here.
then why are you discussing. If foreign opinion are worthless, you can go out this thread since you have a fixed opinionI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations3 -
Finviuswe✭✭✭✭Heavy armor can’t be buffed fairly because there’s too much free damage around. It’s too easy to build tanks and still output damage. It’s ZOS fault, they did a bad job of balancing the game and try to cater to lower skill levels which means handing out free damage.
Or, you can just embrace the playstyle.
Playing as a squishy is not very fun, you are forced to do that in medium
Just run heavy it's clearly better that is why most ppl running it
The matter is that in light/medium you aren't that much squishy.
No? I wasn't wondering what you were thinking
Your opinion is worthless to me. I don't need broken ideas here.
then why are you discussing. If foreign opinion are worthless, you can go out this thread since you have a fixed opinion
No no, not at all.
You misunderstand. I just need to go back and read it again0 -
TheYKcid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Heavy armour vs. Light Armour is roughly a 9% trade-off between damage taken/damage done. At least on my magplar, that's the % I keep coming up with.
They're changing Light/Med with Murkmire(or so it sounds like, at least).
Less. A snipe does 5k on heavy. 7k on light armor
My destro does twice the damage in light then in heavy
The damage/tank tradeoff for heavy it's unfair. They should buff the hell out heavy armor tank.
Yeah, right... I'm lucky to do above 3k damage with Asylum Snipes (i.e. highest dmg non-ultimate that can hit you) on a heavy armor tanktard.
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What? Is this the same DDuke that set the bar at 10k Rune Cage?
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Finviuswe✭✭✭✭Heavy armor can’t be buffed fairly because there’s too much free damage around. It’s too easy to build tanks and still output damage. It’s ZOS fault, they did a bad job of balancing the game and try to cater to lower skill levels which means handing out free damage.
Or, you can just embrace the playstyle.
Playing as a squishy is not very fun, you are forced to do that in medium
Just run heavy it's clearly better that is why most ppl running it
The matter is that in light/medium you aren't that much squishy.
No? I wasn't wondering what you were thinking
Your opinion is worthless to me. I don't need broken ideas here.
then why are you discussing. If foreign opinion are worthless, you can go out this thread since you have a fixed opinion
No your opinion isn't worthless.
It's worth a ton. Absolutely worthwhile0 -
Rikumaru✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Heavy armour vs. Light Armour is roughly a 9% trade-off between damage taken/damage done. At least on my magplar, that's the % I keep coming up with.
They're changing Light/Med with Murkmire(or so it sounds like, at least).
Less. A snipe does 5k on heavy. 7k on light armor
My destro does twice the damage in light then in heavy
The damage/tank tradeoff for heavy it's unfair. They should buff the hell out heavy armor tank.
Yeah, right... I'm lucky to do above 3k damage with Asylum Snipes (i.e. highest dmg non-ultimate that can hit you) on a heavy armor tanktard.
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What? Is this the same DDuke that set the bar at 10k Rune Cage?
The vindictive mag sorc mains are back at it again.
Imo heavy shouldn't give the player insane damages (via sets) but should make the player more tanky. Though this would prob require a rework on how set bonuses and armor passives work with set bonuses being weaker and armor passives being stronger.Edited by Rikumaru on September 17, 2018 11:35AMOverload rework. Power Overload now does physical damage and grants you the power of a tornado: You throw a brick at the target with a light attack, and you hammer your head into that brick with every heavy attack. We have decreased its Ultimate cost, but increased the chance that you get stuck in the animation.1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Heavy armour vs. Light Armour is roughly a 9% trade-off between damage taken/damage done. At least on my magplar, that's the % I keep coming up with.
They're changing Light/Med with Murkmire(or so it sounds like, at least).
Less. A snipe does 5k on heavy. 7k on light armor
My destro does twice the damage in light then in heavy
The damage/tank tradeoff for heavy it's unfair. They should buff the hell out heavy armor tank.
Yeah, right... I'm lucky to do above 3k damage with Asylum Snipes (i.e. highest dmg non-ultimate that can hit you) on a heavy armor tanktard.
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What? Is this the same DDuke that set the bar at 10k Rune Cage?
The vindictive mag sorc mains are back at it again.
Imo heavy shouldn't give the player insane damages (via sets) but should make the player more tanky. Though this would prob require a rework on how set bonuses and armor passives work with set bonuses being weaker and armor passives being stronger.
Close but not quite there. Stam Sorc main. But thing is that you can always screw such tooltips in your favour to prove a certain point, no matter how "viable" the portrayed build is in real pvp.
But back on topic: sure it's rather questionable why heavy armor sets grant more dmg than medium sets, if we don't mind the proc requisition and proc duration vs constant stats from e.g. hunding's + that it would be nonsense to simply transform them into medium without changing how they are procced (7th, fury). BUT with jewel transmutation it is rather useless to change, bc you could still have 5-7 heavy and simply put those then medium sets on jewels/ weapons.
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✭Heavy armor has a lot to offer:
Heavy armor:- helps with sustain of both pools mag and stam
- gives you extra hp
- gives you more healing received
- extra resistance
- more stam back on heavy attacks (staff heavy attacks for mag are not really good)
I personal still like heavy armor on mag chars that are not argonian or shield users. If i go for some tankyness, that i need to survive, and stam sustain. I found going with heavy instead of defensive light armor sets gives me more damage(sustained damage).
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ChefZero✭✭✭✭
Heavy attack with restro -> problem solved
I would love to hear the argument behind this.The good things of using heavy is
1. we can use certain sets that reearding us from being tanky. 7th legion, warrior's fury, dessert rose
2. being tanky that mean better sustain and more window to pressure without worry to get burst cause we have more mitigation, more heal, dont need to cast heal so often
The moment you take a damage set in heavy as magicka. You die
You don't have enough resources as magicka in heavy armor to run damage setsPC EU - DC only1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Heavy armour vs. Light Armour is roughly a 9% trade-off between damage taken/damage done. At least on my magplar, that's the % I keep coming up with.
They're changing Light/Med with Murkmire(or so it sounds like, at least).
Less. A snipe does 5k on heavy. 7k on light armor
My destro does twice the damage in light then in heavy
The damage/tank tradeoff for heavy it's unfair. They should buff the hell out heavy armor tank.
Yeah, right... I'm lucky to do above 3k damage with Asylum Snipes (i.e. highest dmg non-ultimate that can hit you) on a heavy armor tanktard.
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What? Is this the same DDuke that set the bar at 10k Rune Cage?
The vindictive mag sorc mains are back at it again.
Imo heavy shouldn't give the player insane damages (via sets) but should make the player more tanky. Though this would prob require a rework on how set bonuses and armor passives work with set bonuses being weaker and armor passives being stronger.
Close but not quite there. Stam Sorc main. But thing is that you can always screw such tooltips in your favour to prove a certain point, no matter how "viable" the portrayed build is in real pvp.
Yeah, that's what min-maxing revolves around: "screwing" tooltips in your favour to either one shot people or become "unkillable". Whether these builds are "viable" or not is a matter of perspective I guess, but I think I've demonstrated the viability of max dmg builds plenty of times (atleast for mDK & stamblade).
Heavy armor does both at the moment (particularly heavy stamina builds), so it is obviously overperforming, especially when it also has the exact same mobility as light/medium and has no other real weaknesses to it.
Interested to see today's patch notes and if ZOS is going to do anything about it.Edited by DDuke on September 17, 2018 12:20PM1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Heavy armor has a lot to offer:
Heavy armor:- helps with sustain of both pools mag and stam
- gives you extra hp
- gives you more healing received
- extra resistance
- more stam back on heavy attacks (staff heavy attacks for mag are not really good)
I personal still like heavy armor on mag chars that are not argonian or shield users. If i go for some tankyness, that i need to survive, and stam sustain. I found going with heavy instead of defensive light armor sets gives me more damage(sustained damage).
All of those exept the extra hp and healing is garbageI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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ChefZero✭✭✭✭This discussion is largely superficial. Heavy Armor never does the most damage, ask the PvEers. The differences of HA to other types can be nearly negated with few adjustments. Also raw resistance and health pool are only some percentage of your survivability.
Most important points of a build are 5-set bonuses (+ monster set of course) and access to major/minor buffs. So the biggest part of survivability comes from avoiding damage by dodge roll and evasion, shield stacking or by eating damage cause of access to buffs like protection, mending or vitality.
Means for example you have access to vitality and protection buffs who set procs with damage taken synergize well. You selected your skills/buffs, playstyle and now you choose a set like fury or legion. HA is the way to go this case.
TL;DR: Don't compare armor types in general. Armor type is the logical side effect of build decisions.PC EU - DC only2
OP was joking, right?