Maybe add Transmutation Crystals to more PvE content?

John_Falstaff · September 2018

@Royaji , assuming that all people in PvE are obliged to join large guilds and always have people to run pledges with is very, very, very selfish, sorry. ^^ I'm part of one and I have friends I run with, but you can't change the big picture. Great many people pug for dungeons.

Septimus_Magna · September 2018

susmitds wrote: »

You don't need BiS gear. Transmute crystals should definitely not be increased. Your idea will crash the good traited item market. The grind should not be allowed to skipped. You don't need perfect traits for jewellery either. The traditional three traits work just as fine.

Tl:dr - Get good and earn your BiS gear in perfect traits. It's not that hard. Till then, use inferior traits.

I’ll just farm a couple infused BSW fire staves, no problem.

-no ESO player ever said

NBrookus · September 2018

Starlock wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Sell them for Tel Var like they do Hakeijos.

That doesn’t help players who hardly PvP, though (who are also unlikely to own IC at all). It’s already stupid easy to earn crystals from PvP, isn’t it?

Yes/no. RftW drops are heavily weighted toward 4 crystals. 20k AP per day for 4 crystals. Anything after is RNG, which means you have to pvp quite a bit to get more. Then 50 per month if you play the 30 camp.

It feels on par with PvE, IMO.

John_Falstaff · September 2018

NBrookus wrote: »

Yes/no. RftW drops are heavily weighted toward 4 crystals. 20k AP per day for 4 crystals. Anything after is RNG, which means you have to pvp quite a bit to get more. Then 50 per month if you play the 30 camp

Thing is, you can accumulate them. Pledges, you can't. If you got plenty of RftW mails over the day, and you can't play much during the week, you can just open a mail a day. If you missed a pledge day - you lost those geodes.

Bevik · September 2018

NBrookus wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Sell them for Tel Var like they do Hakeijos.

That doesn’t help players who hardly PvP, though (who are also unlikely to own IC at all). It’s already stupid easy to earn crystals from PvP, isn’t it?

Yes/no. RftW drops are heavily weighted toward 4 crystals. 20k AP per day for 4 crystals. Anything after is RNG, which means you have to pvp quite a bit to get more. Then 50 per month if you play the 30 camp.

It feels on par with PvE, IMO.

I would agree with this but earning Geodes with Reward mails just because you enjoy PvPing or just joining a zerg to get the skills is - how should I say nicely - less effort than running the exact same, sometimes boringly long dungeons over and over again. Or trials, or vMA. I know an easy dungeon can be done in 10 mins but don't forget only if you are lucky with the pledges that day. I do enjoy PvP and PvE aswell, eventhough I have never played a proper PvP char just yet. But I feel like I'm forced to do so as that is the easiest way to get Geodes in big bulks. I have 9 chars all Undaunted 9 and 10 so I've have had enough of those dungeons. Plus I got the PvP skills (means minimum level 6) for all my stamina chars + tank + healer. It is for sure a lot easier to get Geodes by doing PvP.

Starlock · September 2018

Bevik wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Sell them for Tel Var like they do Hakeijos.

That doesn’t help players who hardly PvP, though (who are also unlikely to own IC at all). It’s already stupid easy to earn crystals from PvP, isn’t it?

Yes/no. RftW drops are heavily weighted toward 4 crystals. 20k AP per day for 4 crystals. Anything after is RNG, which means you have to pvp quite a bit to get more. Then 50 per month if you play the 30 camp.

It feels on par with PvE, IMO.

I would agree with this but earning Geodes with Reward mails just because you enjoy PvPing or just joining a zerg to get the skills is - how should I say nicely - less effort than running the exact same, sometimes boringly long dungeons over and over again. Or trials, or vMA. I know an easy dungeon can be done in 10 mins but don't forget only if you are lucky with the pledges that day. I do enjoy PvP and PvE aswell, eventhough I have never played a proper PvP char just yet. But I feel like I'm forced to do so as that is the easiest way to get Geodes in big bulks. I have 9 chars all Undaunted 9 and 10 so I've have had enough of those dungeons. Plus I got the PvP skills (means minimum level 6) for all my stamina chars + tank + healer. It is for sure a lot easier to get Geodes by doing PvP.

That’s been my impression as well. I was surprised at how stupidly easy it was to get crystals by doing an event with guildies for a mere two hours... lol. I don’t really do PvP outside of the guild social events, and when we ran a lot during double AP event it felt like being flooded with crystals. That never happens doing dungeons.

Note to devs - this is NOT me suggesting a reduction to PvP crystals. Mainly I hope it serves to highlight how much we need an overland source. Folks sometimes go on about how worthless treasure maps are? Even a percent chance to find a geode in a chest would bring back a market for them. Peoplle like me would chest farm like crazy... lol.

SydneyGrey · September 2018

susmitds wrote: »

You don't need BiS gear.

Um, says who? Who are you to tell someone else they "don't need" BIS gear? You don't even know how they play.

Mettaricana · September 2018

Yes please i hate getting stuck with false tanks and archer healers when trying to earn my pathetic 1 stone from a purple geode...

milkbox · September 2018

I'd like to sell mine, at this point. I'm sitting on 200 worth of uncracked geodes because I'm too lazy to make & decon some nirn items. There's definitely an imbalance between PvE & PvP for those, but I'd guess others have hundreds of undaunted keys they'll never use.

Bevik · September 2018

Starlock wrote: »

Bevik wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Sell them for Tel Var like they do Hakeijos.

That doesn’t help players who hardly PvP, though (who are also unlikely to own IC at all). It’s already stupid easy to earn crystals from PvP, isn’t it?

Yes/no. RftW drops are heavily weighted toward 4 crystals. 20k AP per day for 4 crystals. Anything after is RNG, which means you have to pvp quite a bit to get more. Then 50 per month if you play the 30 camp.

It feels on par with PvE, IMO.

I would agree with this but earning Geodes with Reward mails just because you enjoy PvPing or just joining a zerg to get the skills is - how should I say nicely - less effort than running the exact same, sometimes boringly long dungeons over and over again. Or trials, or vMA. I know an easy dungeon can be done in 10 mins but don't forget only if you are lucky with the pledges that day. I do enjoy PvP and PvE aswell, eventhough I have never played a proper PvP char just yet. But I feel like I'm forced to do so as that is the easiest way to get Geodes in big bulks. I have 9 chars all Undaunted 9 and 10 so I've have had enough of those dungeons. Plus I got the PvP skills (means minimum level 6) for all my stamina chars + tank + healer. It is for sure a lot easier to get Geodes by doing PvP.

That’s been my impression as well. I was surprised at how stupidly easy it was to get crystals by doing an event with guildies for a mere two hours... lol. I don’t really do PvP outside of the guild social events, and when we ran a lot during double AP event it felt like being flooded with crystals. That never happens doing dungeons.

Note to devs - this is NOT me suggesting a reduction to PvP crystals. Mainly I hope it serves to highlight how much we need an overland source. Folks sometimes go on about how worthless treasure maps are? Even a percent chance to find a geode in a chest would bring back a market for them. Peoplle like me would chest farm like crazy... lol.

Yeah, I remember I was farming the PvP skills for my Stamplar during the event and I got so many Reward mails took me 2 weeks to open them to get the Geodes and I even had to re-trait gears to be under 200.

Silver_Strider · September 2018

IDK, I run Random Duty after getting the pledges for the day and usually end up in 1 of the Pledge Dungeons, netting me about 4 crystals from 1 dungeon run alone (assuming the last boss didn't drop a geode as well). Takes a little longer than getting the PvP crystal but considering I can do that with all the characters I care to do pledges with (namely the 2 that don't have Undaunted to 9 yet) I get about 12 crystals a day (or if I'm feeling masochistic and do the DLC pledges 14-16).

I think the current system is fine as is.

max_only · September 2018

I had 200 crystals just from Battlegrounds. When I got all my assault and support skill lines I stopped and so did the flow of geodes. Pve needs at least one more way of getting geodes. Maybe world bosses have a 40% chance to drop a green or blue geode and a 20% change to drop purple geodes.

WuffyCerulei · September 2018

I think pledge transmute crystals could probably be buffed a lil. Pledges tend to be easier for newer people to the game. I know the 7 trials have coffers that give 5 crystals on each character, but even normal trials can be hard for newer players.

Bevik · September 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno Any chance someone is reading this thread from the team?

Mr_Walker · September 2018

Narvuntien wrote: »

What do you need the crystals for?

How's that any of your business? Maybe he just wants to improve his toons equipment?

ccfeeling · September 2018

Pve daily is too slow, 80 percent drops 2 stone from each purple bag , there is a dlc dungeon everyday which is not pug friendly, it takes about 40 to 45 mins to finish with solid team.
As a pve player, I would rather go to cyrodiil for trans stone even I dont like pvp,time is money.

EDS604 · September 2018

Yesterday i got for the first time ever 10 crystals out of a pledge geode, and i did a LOT of pledges in the past year.
I think there should not be added more ways to obtain transmutation crystals in pve, it's fine the way it is BUT they ZOS should increase the chance to get 10 from pledge geodes by a LOT. If they'd do this imo it would be balanced.

Bevik · October 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Let not our hope die about this. Really would like to see more transmutation crystals, geodes dropping overland or increase from dungeons or anything which makes it more desirable farming in PvE rather than PvP.

Mephisto939 · October 2018

The last 5 purple Geodes I opened had 2 crystals each. That's the problem. If they buffed blues to have 2-3 and purples to have 4-5 I would be happy.

Merlin13KAGL · October 2018

susmitds wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

They want you to go cyrodil for month geodas reward in pve setup, so elitist pvp player can have fun with fresh meat in cyro.

Don't get me wrong, but you get 50 crystals for Tier 1 reward (which is 25k AP only) and you get like 2-5 for HM vet dungeons and trials which is JOKE compared to to time you spent etc.

You only get 50 per month. Compare that to 8-20 each day by pledges.

That's per character, and doesn't include the 4-25's you get from the first RFtW mail per account, per day.

So you can get guaranteed up to 750+ stones a month from Alliance War if you have 15 slots. You can get the 4-25's from getting decimated in 3 BG's per day or less.

Stones are more than available, in multiple ways already.

Bevik · October 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

They want you to go cyrodil for month geodas reward in pve setup, so elitist pvp player can have fun with fresh meat in cyro.

Don't get me wrong, but you get 50 crystals for Tier 1 reward (which is 25k AP only) and you get like 2-5 for HM vet dungeons and trials which is JOKE compared to to time you spent etc.

You only get 50 per month. Compare that to 8-20 each day by pledges.

That's per character, and doesn't include the 4-25's you get from the first RFtW mail per account, per day.

So you can get guaranteed up to 750+ stones a month from Alliance War if you have 15 slots. You can get the 4-25's from getting decimated in 3 BG's per day or less.

Stones are more than available, in multiple ways already.

That's all PvP what you mentioned. And even the PvE one are very time consuming for casuals.

Mephisto939 · October 2018

I do about 50% PVP and 50% PVE and I can assure you, it's much much faster and easier to get crystals in pvp. Ever since they limited the rewards of worthy gold geodes to 1 guaranteed per account/per day, I think pvp is in a decent place (the 1 per Character/per day was way too high). Again the main problem in pve is the RNG on purple/blue geodes seems heavily skewed to the lowest crystal amount. And having run a ton of dungeons, the odds of the last boss dropping a geode seems to be around 10-15%.

Merlin13KAGL · October 2018

Bevik wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

They want you to go cyrodil for month geodas reward in pve setup, so elitist pvp player can have fun with fresh meat in cyro.

Don't get me wrong, but you get 50 crystals for Tier 1 reward (which is 25k AP only) and you get like 2-5 for HM vet dungeons and trials which is JOKE compared to to time you spent etc.

You only get 50 per month. Compare that to 8-20 each day by pledges.

That's per character, and doesn't include the 4-25's you get from the first RFtW mail per account, per day.

So you can get guaranteed up to 750+ stones a month from Alliance War if you have 15 slots. You can get the 4-25's from getting decimated in 3 BG's per day or less.

Stones are more than available, in multiple ways already.

That's all PvP what you mentioned. And even the PvE one are very time consuming for casuals.

You can lose 3 BG's in 20 minutes flat, pretty sure. There's 4-25 a day for getting rekt. You can repair enough walls and do enough non-PvP town dailies in a months' time to hit Tier 1, without ever having even seen the other Alliance.

That's about as casual as it can get. Besides, doesn't the very definition of 'casual play' make this a non-issue?

Do a pledge here and there. Heck, they even give crystals away in event boxes.

GreenHere · October 2018

I like the idea of using Transmute Crystals as shiny incentives for getting people to do low-participation content. Adding a chance for them to drop from world bosses, for instance, would be nice. Just needs to be balanced in the same way that they are already for vet dungeons, imo. We don't want people swimming in them.

Bevik · October 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Bevik wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

They want you to go cyrodil for month geodas reward in pve setup, so elitist pvp player can have fun with fresh meat in cyro.

Don't get me wrong, but you get 50 crystals for Tier 1 reward (which is 25k AP only) and you get like 2-5 for HM vet dungeons and trials which is JOKE compared to to time you spent etc.

You only get 50 per month. Compare that to 8-20 each day by pledges.

That's per character, and doesn't include the 4-25's you get from the first RFtW mail per account, per day.

So you can get guaranteed up to 750+ stones a month from Alliance War if you have 15 slots. You can get the 4-25's from getting decimated in 3 BG's per day or less.

Stones are more than available, in multiple ways already.

That's all PvP what you mentioned. And even the PvE one are very time consuming for casuals.

You can lose 3 BG's in 20 minutes flat, pretty sure. There's 4-25 a day for getting rekt. You can repair enough walls and do enough non-PvP town dailies in a months' time to hit Tier 1, without ever having even seen the other Alliance.

That's about as casual as it can get. Besides, doesn't the very definition of 'casual play' make this a non-issue?

Do a pledge here and there. Heck, they even give crystals away in event boxes.

Once I have time I will make a PvP char anyway. And yes I know about event, can't wait.

Unfortunately on a week day I have like 30 mins in which I can do daily writs and not a lot left for anything else. So if they will add like 1 geode or crystal to a WB I will just find one or two and get some crystals. And I'm sure I'm not the only one like this. And a lot of people don't even want to go anywhere near PvP.

Merlin13KAGL · October 2018

Bevik wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Bevik wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

They want you to go cyrodil for month geodas reward in pve setup, so elitist pvp player can have fun with fresh meat in cyro.

Don't get me wrong, but you get 50 crystals for Tier 1 reward (which is 25k AP only) and you get like 2-5 for HM vet dungeons and trials which is JOKE compared to to time you spent etc.

You only get 50 per month. Compare that to 8-20 each day by pledges.

That's per character, and doesn't include the 4-25's you get from the first RFtW mail per account, per day.

So you can get guaranteed up to 750+ stones a month from Alliance War if you have 15 slots. You can get the 4-25's from getting decimated in 3 BG's per day or less.

Stones are more than available, in multiple ways already.

That's all PvP what you mentioned. And even the PvE one are very time consuming for casuals.

You can lose 3 BG's in 20 minutes flat, pretty sure. There's 4-25 a day for getting rekt. You can repair enough walls and do enough non-PvP town dailies in a months' time to hit Tier 1, without ever having even seen the other Alliance.

That's about as casual as it can get. Besides, doesn't the very definition of 'casual play' make this a non-issue?

Do a pledge here and there. Heck, they even give crystals away in event boxes.

Once I have time I will make a PvP char anyway. And yes I know about event, can't wait.

Unfortunately on a week day I have like 30 mins in which I can do daily writs and not a lot left for anything else. So if they will add like 1 geode or crystal to a WB I will just find one or two and get some crystals. And I'm sure I'm not the only one like this. And a lot of people don't even want to go anywhere near PvP.

You can go to Cyrodiil and earn AP without actually doing any PvP. Scouting missions, repairs, town dailies, all grant AP and are repeatable to an absurd degree.

Methods are granted to get (fill in the blank here). If people are insistent on not using those methods, then they have no room to complain about lack of ability to get (see blank above).

Time to earn should be pretty consistent across all types of content, not favoring one vs another. I think writs and WB's (unless it's a chance at drop) are gonna be a hard sell, considering the amount of time it takes to earn it via the current methods.

Less time to play is rough, no doubt, but it doesn't mean the game should automatically bend to compensate. If they added crystals to those things, the payout should be comparable for the time spent.

lagrue · October 2018

jcm2606 wrote: »

Summerset introduced new jewelry traits which require transmutation to use, so it is no longer a skip-the-grind mechanic, more a gate to access new content, and so the constraints aimed at a skip-the-grind mechanic that we have now should be removed.

I agreed until I read this part. It's simply not true. Those traits are used in crafting... making sets. There is 0 requirement on ANYBODY's part to transmute the new traits. Their only use can NOT be chalked down to transmute, though that is a potential use. You aren't being gated from new content because you could easily go craft a ring with those traits (so long as you know them.)

firedrgn · October 2018

Im beginning to think a few people here have never opened the purple geods .
What the book says and what you get is very disappointing for running vet content.

Starlock · October 2018

Bevik wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Let not our hope die about this. Really would like to see more transmutation crystals, geodes dropping overland or increase from dungeons or anything which makes it more desirable farming in PvE rather than PvP.

Hear hear! The situation is especially uncool given it is impossible to get dropped set jewelry in any trait besides healthy, arcane, and robust (oh, and only ever one of those for any given set).

DMuehlhausen · October 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

I'm ok with adding a few more here or there but honestly getting in PvP isn't that hard. Just need 25kAP in a 30 day campaign and you get 50. That's repair one keep or mutagen heal a zerg you don't need a full PvP spec.

Issue with giving via writs is some people would do on 12 toons a day and be drowning in them. I think the goal is to encourage folks to do other content

Sure, but it's way to slow if you only want to PvE.

The biggest problem is the fact I get 1 from the majority of purple geodes.

It should be that every boss in a dungeon drops them.

On Normal all bosses should drop a green geode except the last boss which should be blue
On Vet it should all drop blue and the last drops purple (100%)

Then the rates should be

Green = 1 to 3
Blue = 2 to 4
Purple = 3 to 5

This would also encourage people to keep using the dungeon finder to get more crystals. This would still be a slower rate than PvP, but wouldn't make dungeon runners feel like they are getting nothing. Most nights I have only time to do maybe 1 or 2 daily dungeons. So most nights I'm walking away with 2 maybe 3 crystals for 30-60 minutes of my time.