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The players that actually know how to play are pissed that shields are getting a nerf / counter play when they’ve already gotten a nerf a while back and already have a HUGE counter play to it.
DoTs and bleeds. Double DoT poisons, resource poisons, PoL, Jabs, Venomous claw, rendering slashes, DB and zerglings.
A DECENT StamPlar, Nightblade, DK and warden can kill a Sorc with shields np... funny thing is, I’ve named every class in the game besides a sorc it’s self and a MagPlar.
DK’s and Wardens have wings / shimmering which already counters a HUGE part of the burst, and this allows the player to play offensive on the sorc making him play defensive with shields and magicka. ANY decent player knows that MagSorcs are easy to kill. ESPECIALLY when you catch them with no shields.
You already have counter play!
Shield breaker, sloads and OBLIVION ENCHANTS in general! Those KILL MagSorcs. If anything THOSE should be getting a nerf.
There’s going to be that one player that cries saying “well I don’t want to run those sets” ... too bad? Ig you’re going to have to L2P.
When was the last time MagSorcs got a buff that was actually useful? When was the last time a NB or Warden got a nerf that actually affected them? (MagDen nerf with beetles was brutal however)
Mag classes are already horrible in PvP as it is. Stamina classes just out perform them in almost every aspect.
Templars for example, imo aedric passive need a nerf. WAY to much free damage just given to them. Wardens? Shimmering shield shouldn’t give as much magicka back as it does and it should only be minor heroism not major.
StamDKs are just trash right now compared to the other Stam classes. Sure major mending is nice, but that’s really all they have for them.
StamBlade is still a joke.. heavy armor and rolly polly cloak away medium armor. Then Incap still gives them that bonus damage which they DO NOT need. Screw the stun it wasn’t a problem it was the bonus damage that hurt.
StamSorcs are eh. I think they’re pretty balanced right now.
But even with StamDK being the worst Stam class right now, imo, it’s still better than all the Mag classes. (MAYBE except MagDK)
And if anything on shields they need a buff. 8 seconds. 6 is way to short. But 8? Not to short and not to long. 20 second shields to 6 second was ridiculous. It should have. Been 8 seconds.
The people that struggle to kill MagSorcs are the same zerglings that already can’t play PvP solo, are new to PvP, have a damn PvE setup in PvP, don’t know how to play against a MagSorc, and are the same ones you see spamming snipe in the back of a Zerg or light attacking the air and throwing out a random ult completely missing, and sing breath of life on a StamPlar. It’s the same players that are just bad in general at ESO.

ZOS... STOP listening to the casual players that play maybe 20 hours a week. Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans. They will be the ones who know what needs to change because they actually have the EXPERIENCE of seeing and playing with / around such sets, skills, classes etc.
Sh*t like this is why ESO will be dead when the new big titles come out such as Halo, CoD BO4, Bf5, AOC, Crowfall, RDR2 etc.
good job on killing your game ?? Gotta at least give you guys the “best worst company” award. If you put a little more effort into your game and actually listen to people who know what they’re talking about, the games I’ve mentioned wouldn’t be such a huge issue with competition.
Edited by ItsNebula on September 14, 2018 1:48PM
  • Wollust
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    Because we need another thread on something we don‘t even know anything about yet.
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  • ItsNebula
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    Wollust wrote: »
    Because we need another thread on something we don‘t even know anything about yet.
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    If you were to actually read, you would see I brought up many different issues ;)
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    Did something get nerfed?
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    Nerf nightblades
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    When do we get the patch notes, Monday? Going to be a fun day on the forums when they drop.
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  • ItsNebula
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    MajBludd wrote: »
    Did something get nerfed?

    Getting nerf / counter plays.
    And I bring up many different points and things that need a nerf / buff
  • ItsNebula
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    Banana wrote: »
    Nerf nightblades

    They don’t need a nerf really. I’d just like to see cloak have a cost increase kinda like what they did to streak and to either take off as a whole or reduce the bonus damage given from incap
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    ItsNebula wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    Because we need another thread on something we don‘t even know anything about yet.
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    If you were to actually read, you would see I brought up many different issues ;)

    I read the whole thing no worries. It‘s basically the same points that are in literally every single „buff mag sorc“, „nerf stam (nb)“, „listen to me and not to them ZoS“ thread.
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  • ItsNebula
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    Wollust wrote: »
    ItsNebula wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    Because we need another thread on something we don‘t even know anything about yet.
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    If you were to actually read, you would see I brought up many different issues ;)

    I read the whole thing no worries. It‘s basically the same points that are in literally every single „buff mag sorc“, „nerf stam (nb)“, „listen to me and not to them ZoS“ thread.

    I doubt you read the whole thing as within 30 seconds of me posting it you commented.
    NB’s need a very small nerf with cloak , increase it’s cost , like what they did to streak and reduce the bonus damage given from incap. I’ve also hinted off many things and mentioned that aedric Passives need a nerf as it’s a lot of free damage given with high proc chances, and that shimmering needs a nerf from major to minor and shouldn’t give back as much magicka as Jr does
  • Zathras
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    ItsNebula wrote: »

    ZOS... STOP listening to the casual players that play maybe 20 hours a week. Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans. They will be the ones who know what needs to change because they actually have the EXPERIENCE of seeing and playing with / around such sets, skills, classes etc.
    Sh*t like this is why ESO will be dead when the new big titles come out such as Halo, CoD BO4, Bf5, AOC, Crowfall, RDR2 etc.
    good job on killing your game ?? Gotta at least give you guys the “best worst company” award. If you put a little more effort into your game and actually listen to people who know what they’re talking about, the games I’ve mentioned wouldn’t be such a huge issue with competition.

    I agree that there seems to be a lot of reactionary nerfs, directly related to a vocal minority filling the forums.

    HOWEVER, some of those vocal minority players are vets, and aren't the filthy casuals that you malign.

    What needs to be done, is for the devs to stop caving in to all the drama du jour. They also need to separate PvE and PvP rulesets. That alone would cease a lot of the storms brewing in all these teacups.

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  • Guppet
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    ItsNebula wrote: »
    The players that actually know how to play are pissed that shields are getting a nerf / counter play when they’ve already gotten a nerf a while back and already have a HUGE counter play to it.

    ZOS... STOP listening to the casual players that play maybe 20 hours a week. Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans. They will be the ones who know what needs to change because they actually have the EXPERIENCE of seeing and playing with / around such sets, skills, classes etc.
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    Everything you say is invalidated by your attitude.

    I’ve just left the parts that actually say why you should be ignored.

    You open by saying those that know how to play are annyed, implying anyone that doesn’t agree doesn’t know how to play. Wrong, just wrong.

    You even go as far as the second paragraph. Where you say people playing less than 20 hours a week should be ignored as they are casual. 20 hours a week is not casual.

    You say only listen to those that play 60 hours a week? Rofl. Your the teeny tiny minority. You don’t pay the bills, you cost companies money.

    What they should do with anyone that play 60 hours a week is laugh at how ludicrous they are.

    Most jobs are 35 hours a week.

    You play the game for longer than they spend in work being paid to work on it.

    Nothing should ever be balanced around that level of play.

    Balance should always be around the average player, not 60 hour a week saddo’s.
  • ItsNebula
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    Guppet wrote: »
    ItsNebula wrote: »
    The players that actually know how to play are pissed that shields are getting a nerf / counter play when they’ve already gotten a nerf a while back and already have a HUGE counter play to it.

    ZOS... STOP listening to the casual players that play maybe 20 hours a week. Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans. They will be the ones who know what needs to change because they actually have the EXPERIENCE of seeing and playing with / around such sets, skills, classes etc.
    .

    Everything you say is invalidated by your attitude.

    I’ve just left the parts that actually say why you should be ignored.

    You open by saying those that know how to play are annyed, implying anyone that doesn’t agree doesn’t know how to play. Wrong, just wrong.

    You even go as far as the second paragraph. Where you say people playing less than 20 hours a week should be ignored as they are casual. 20 hours a week is not casual.

    You say only listen to those that play 60 hours a week? Rofl. Your the teeny tiny minority. You don’t pay the bills, you cost companies money.

    What they should do with anyone that play 60 hours a week is laugh at how ludicrous they are.

    Most jobs are 35 hours a week.

    You play the game for longer than they spend in work being paid to work on it.

    Nothing should ever be balanced around that level of play.

    Balance should always be around the average player, not 60 hour a week saddo’s.

    TLDR;
    And I’ve given 2 examples. “Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans”

    Just about ever competent and skilled / knowledgeable PvPer knows that a nerf to shields is the worst idea. As shields are already very counterable.

    Most people saying that sorcs are to op and shields are broken are the same people who don’t even put 10 hours a week in.
    And yes , 20 hours a week is very casual.
    That’s about 2.5hours a day. Very very casual.
  • Onefrkncrzypope
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    Counterplay=\= Nerf. The way they word it sounds like a player would need to invest in this counterplay. If it was a direct change they would of said ummm uh shield changes. Just like they said for light medium armor changes and broad sustain changes. Those sentences are what you should be concerned about
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    I still don't see why they can't just let skills have different effects against other players than against standard enemies. Then our PvE MagSorcs wouldn't be nerfed into the dirt for PvP.
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    Am I the only one that thinks shields are a terrible defense? I mean how big is a hardened ward in PvP on a well built toon? 10-12k?
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  • Guppet
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    ItsNebula wrote: »
    Guppet wrote: »
    ItsNebula wrote: »
    The players that actually know how to play are pissed that shields are getting a nerf / counter play when they’ve already gotten a nerf a while back and already have a HUGE counter play to it.

    ZOS... STOP listening to the casual players that play maybe 20 hours a week. Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans. They will be the ones who know what needs to change because they actually have the EXPERIENCE of seeing and playing with / around such sets, skills, classes etc.
    .

    Everything you say is invalidated by your attitude.

    I’ve just left the parts that actually say why you should be ignored.

    You open by saying those that know how to play are annyed, implying anyone that doesn’t agree doesn’t know how to play. Wrong, just wrong.

    You even go as far as the second paragraph. Where you say people playing less than 20 hours a week should be ignored as they are casual. 20 hours a week is not casual.

    You say only listen to those that play 60 hours a week? Rofl. Your the teeny tiny minority. You don’t pay the bills, you cost companies money.

    What they should do with anyone that play 60 hours a week is laugh at how ludicrous they are.

    Most jobs are 35 hours a week.

    You play the game for longer than they spend in work being paid to work on it.

    Nothing should ever be balanced around that level of play.

    Balance should always be around the average player, not 60 hour a week saddo’s.

    TLDR;
    And I’ve given 2 examples. “Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans”

    Just about ever competent and skilled / knowledgeable PvPer knows that a nerf to shields is the worst idea. As shields are already very counterable.

    Most people saying that sorcs are to op and shields are broken are the same people who don’t even put 10 hours a week in.
    And yes , 20 hours a week is very casual.
    That’s about 2.5hours a day. Very very casual.

    Maths is not your strong suit. It’s practically 3 hours a day. 3 that is significant. Anyone spending 3 hours a day doing the same thing is putting serious investment into it.

    60 hours a week is 5 days of 12 hours a day. That’s insane. You can’t have a job or family if you do that. A game should never require letting the rest of your life fail.

    The whole debate of what is casual has long ran in MMO’s. So dont claim any set hours is casual.

    Your either trolling or so out of touch with reality that you need help.

    2.5 hours a day is very very casual? lol. If you honestly think that, all you will get from me is sympathy.
    Edited by Guppet on September 14, 2018 3:20PM
  • ItsNebula
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    Danksta wrote: »
    Am I the only one that thinks shields are a terrible defense? I mean how big is a hardened ward in PvP on a well built toon? 10-12k?

    My Hardened ward is 15k with a 10k Harness. 25k in damage shields which is a lot. But I also run 50k magicka , and 3.3k spell damage. I’m a high burst build but I can still sustain np
  • ItsNebula
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    Guppet wrote: »
    ItsNebula wrote: »
    Guppet wrote: »
    ItsNebula wrote: »
    The players that actually know how to play are pissed that shields are getting a nerf / counter play when they’ve already gotten a nerf a while back and already have a HUGE counter play to it.

    ZOS... STOP listening to the casual players that play maybe 20 hours a week. Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans. They will be the ones who know what needs to change because they actually have the EXPERIENCE of seeing and playing with / around such sets, skills, classes etc.
    .

    Everything you say is invalidated by your attitude.

    I’ve just left the parts that actually say why you should be ignored.

    You open by saying those that know how to play are annyed, implying anyone that doesn’t agree doesn’t know how to play. Wrong, just wrong.

    You even go as far as the second paragraph. Where you say people playing less than 20 hours a week should be ignored as they are casual. 20 hours a week is not casual.

    You say only listen to those that play 60 hours a week? Rofl. Your the teeny tiny minority. You don’t pay the bills, you cost companies money.

    What they should do with anyone that play 60 hours a week is laugh at how ludicrous they are.

    Most jobs are 35 hours a week.

    You play the game for longer than they spend in work being paid to work on it.

    Nothing should ever be balanced around that level of play.

    Balance should always be around the average player, not 60 hour a week saddo’s.

    TLDR;
    And I’ve given 2 examples. “Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans”

    Just about ever competent and skilled / knowledgeable PvPer knows that a nerf to shields is the worst idea. As shields are already very counterable.

    Most people saying that sorcs are to op and shields are broken are the same people who don’t even put 10 hours a week in.
    And yes , 20 hours a week is very casual.
    That’s about 2.5hours a day. Very very casual.

    Maths is not your strong suit. It’s practically 3 hours a day. 3 that is significant. Anyone spending 3 hours a day doing the same thing is putting serious investment into it.

    60 hours a week is 5 days of 12 hours a day. That’s insane. You can’t have a job or family if you do that. A game should never require letting the rest of your life fail.

    The whole debate of what is casual has long ran in MMO’s. So dont claim any set hours is casual.

    Your either trolling or so out of touch with reality that you need help.

    2.5 hours a day is very very casual lol. If you honestly think that, all you will get from me is sympathy.

    A lot of the players that know the game inside and out like they created put a whole lot of hours into it a week. Or at least one point of there life they have. Me personally I play about 6 hours a day. 8-10 hours on Saturday and Sunday.
    All of it being in PvP.
    But I’ve also been playing since beta. A lot of the people who get 2-3 hours a day that I know of either
    A) arnt veterans.
    B) arnt experienced in the game / new.
    C) arnt knowledgeable of the game.
    Most people that hardly play fit into one of those 3 category’s.
    The people that Ik of that can put 60 hours a week into the game are someone of the most knowledgeable players of the game I know of. They know the mechanics inside and out , they know the life as if they have thousands of hours on each class. They know how each skill and passive works etc.
    Players like that are who ZOS needs to listen too. Not the casual players who only know 1 class and a certain set of skills or mechanics.
    Sorry, but casuals just don’t and won’t provide as much feedback / reliable feedback as someone who practically plays this game for a living. Which a good handful of people do.
  • Guppet
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    ItsNebula wrote: »
    Guppet wrote: »
    ItsNebula wrote: »
    Guppet wrote: »
    ItsNebula wrote: »
    The players that actually know how to play are pissed that shields are getting a nerf / counter play when they’ve already gotten a nerf a while back and already have a HUGE counter play to it.

    ZOS... STOP listening to the casual players that play maybe 20 hours a week. Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans. They will be the ones who know what needs to change because they actually have the EXPERIENCE of seeing and playing with / around such sets, skills, classes etc.
    .

    Everything you say is invalidated by your attitude.

    I’ve just left the parts that actually say why you should be ignored.

    You open by saying those that know how to play are annyed, implying anyone that doesn’t agree doesn’t know how to play. Wrong, just wrong.

    You even go as far as the second paragraph. Where you say people playing less than 20 hours a week should be ignored as they are casual. 20 hours a week is not casual.

    You say only listen to those that play 60 hours a week? Rofl. Your the teeny tiny minority. You don’t pay the bills, you cost companies money.

    What they should do with anyone that play 60 hours a week is laugh at how ludicrous they are.

    Most jobs are 35 hours a week.

    You play the game for longer than they spend in work being paid to work on it.

    Nothing should ever be balanced around that level of play.

    Balance should always be around the average player, not 60 hour a week saddo’s.

    TLDR;
    And I’ve given 2 examples. “Listen to the players that play the 60+ hours a week, or the players that are actual skilled veterans”

    Just about ever competent and skilled / knowledgeable PvPer knows that a nerf to shields is the worst idea. As shields are already very counterable.

    Most people saying that sorcs are to op and shields are broken are the same people who don’t even put 10 hours a week in.
    And yes , 20 hours a week is very casual.
    That’s about 2.5hours a day. Very very casual.

    Maths is not your strong suit. It’s practically 3 hours a day. 3 that is significant. Anyone spending 3 hours a day doing the same thing is putting serious investment into it.

    60 hours a week is 5 days of 12 hours a day. That’s insane. You can’t have a job or family if you do that. A game should never require letting the rest of your life fail.

    The whole debate of what is casual has long ran in MMO’s. So dont claim any set hours is casual.

    Your either trolling or so out of touch with reality that you need help.

    2.5 hours a day is very very casual lol. If you honestly think that, all you will get from me is sympathy.

    A lot of the players that know the game inside and out like they created put a whole lot of hours into it a week. Or at least one point of there life they have. Me personally I play about 6 hours a day. 8-10 hours on Saturday and Sunday.
    All of it being in PvP.
    But I’ve also been playing since beta. A lot of the people who get 2-3 hours a day that I know of either
    A) arnt veterans.
    B) arnt experienced in the game / new.
    C) arnt knowledgeable of the game.
    Most people that hardly play fit into one of those 3 category’s.
    The people that Ik of that can put 60 hours a week into the game are someone of the most knowledgeable players of the game I know of. They know the mechanics inside and out , they know the life as if they have thousands of hours on each class. They know how each skill and passive works etc.
    Players like that are who ZOS needs to listen too. Not the casual players who only know 1 class and a certain set of skills or mechanics.
    Sorry, but casuals just don’t and won’t provide as much feedback / reliable feedback as someone who practically plays this game for a living. Which a good handful of people do.

    I know you mean well, but those are a tiny fraction of the player base. You can’t balance on thier experiences. You have to consider the experience of the average player. Changes for that tiny percentage of players may make changes that the vast majority of players hate.

    They choose to spend that amount of time in game. The devs don’t intend players to play 60 hours a week.

    You have to think of the bottom line and that is money. Do you make 5% of the players happy or 95%? It’s not even a choice.
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    Time spent in the game doesn‘t automatically equal knowledge about the game tbh

    Your attitude stinks, no wonder no one takes your post serious.
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    20 hours/week is casual? lol 30-60 min a week may be.. may be somewhat casual

    but what if that guy with 1h a week does vAS+2 and vHOF tic-toc in that limited time? is he casual too? lol


    you advice to listen to someone who plays 60 hours in a week? more than 8 hours DAILY? omg that dude needs medical help

    and has serious issue with gaming addiction in addition to the fact that he has no job and no life at all...damn 60 hours...

    1.5x full-employed shedule...


    btw since when time spent equals skill/ knowledge?


    i'm maining a sorc and really wanted to say something positive... but i simply can not do it... 60 hours X_x

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    Wollust wrote: »
    Time spent in the game doesn‘t automatically equal knowledge about the game tbh

    Your attitude stinks, no wonder no one takes your post serious.

    I agree with this, a majority of my time is doing actual stuff like classes and homework, if I’m lucky then I can have 2-3 hours at night to play ESO, and I still don’t know too much about the game.
  • brandonv516
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    TLDR

    Sorcs are currently fine.

    You joined these forums a whole 6 months ago so you clearly know everything.
    Edited by brandonv516 on September 14, 2018 3:26PM
  • ItsNebula
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    TLDR

    Sorcs are currently fine.

    You joined these forums a whole 6 months ago so you clearly know everything.

    Ahh sorry, didn’t know that I had to be on the forums to know everything.

    Personally I learned a lot in the 4 and a half years of gameplay I have in ESO.

    You don’t learn much from reading about a video game buddy , you learn more from experiencing it yourself
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    Lets's not, just a rehash of the "debates" in the other threads.
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    Just to depress the op.

    So 4.5 years of 48 hours a week average.
    9126 hours.
    Want to know what you could have done with that?
    Earnt £31,941 A’s an apprentice in the UK
    Earnt £68,445 flipping burgers at Micky D’s assuming your 25+

    Learnt 19 languages assuming the average of 480 hours a language.

    Got a masters degree in 4 subjects.

    Still think your alliance rank is worth it?
    Edited by Guppet on September 14, 2018 3:50PM
  • TequilaFire
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    Wow, they pay well for flipping burgers in UK. lol
    Edited by TequilaFire on September 14, 2018 3:59PM
  • boombazookajd
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    Oh look, the pvp community qq'ing again...


    color me surprised.
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    Agronak gro'Mashul- Orc DK Tank
    Valerya Hawkcroft- Breton healer
    Zaaka- Imperial stamDK/crafter

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  • usmguy1234
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    Turelus wrote: »
    When do we get the patch notes, Monday? Going to be a fun day on the forums when they drop.

    Because the class rep. program is a sham? Or because it's not as bad as people are making it?
    Edited by usmguy1234 on September 14, 2018 4:10PM
    Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
    Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
    Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
    Eirius- Altmer Magdk
    Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar

    Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.

  • brandonv516
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    ItsNebula wrote: »
    TLDR

    Sorcs are currently fine.

    You joined these forums a whole 6 months ago so you clearly know everything.

    Ahh sorry, didn’t know that I had to be on the forums to know everything.

    Personally I learned a lot in the 4 and a half years of gameplay I have in ESO.

    You don’t learn much from reading about a video game buddy , you learn more from experiencing it yourself

    Clearly 4.5 years is not enough.
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