HOW DO I MAGELIGHT!?!?! AHHHHHHH

Drummerx04 · September 2018

Magelight has probably one of the most misleading descriptions possible.

From the testing I did, magelight (and morphs) only reveal stealthed players when cast. That's it. The 6 second duration is completely meaningless.

So if you pop it and then just walk around waiting for it to reveal players, then it won't work. If you think of it as a 12m insta cast antistealth AoE, then it's much more effective.

rfennell_ESO · September 2018

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Magelight has probably one of the most misleading descriptions possible.

From the testing I did, magelight (and morphs) only reveal stealthed players when cast. That's it. The 6 second duration is completely meaningless.

So if you pop it and then just walk around waiting for it to reveal players, then it won't work. If you think of it as a 12m insta cast antistealth AoE, then it's much more effective.

You might want to do some more testing.

I use it to reveal stealthed players all the time and well after the cast and into that duration.

Even corpse campers... Now that it breaks stealth I just get behind a tree, cast radiant magelight, cast shadowy disguise, cast double take and while restealthed I glide through an area well after the cast and reveal people easily.

It does work for the duration stated. 100%.

MetalHead4x4 · September 2018

If you are crouched Inner Light now reveals you if you cast it. Pointless ability. Use defensive rune.

rfennell_ESO · September 2018

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

If you are crouched Inner Light now reveals you if you cast it. Pointless ability. Use defensive rune.

It only briefly breaks your stealth, you go right back into stealth afterward.

Obviously it works much better if you are nightblade and can both cast cloak and then move fast while stealthed/cloaked.

Ragnarock41 · September 2018

It is not at all your fault OP. All cloak counters except detect potions suck noodles.

MetalHead4x4 · September 2018

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

If you are crouched Inner Light now reveals you if you cast it. Pointless ability. Use defensive rune.

It only briefly breaks your stealth, you go right back into stealth afterward.

Obviously it works much better if you are nightblade and can both cast cloak and then move fast while stealthed/cloaked.

Before it never broke stealth at all before. If you're anything but a NB why would you want to reveal your location at all?

Toast_STS · September 2018

Lingering flare has a 8 second duration at max rank so you can blanket a whole field with them. Cast near any tree or rock and watch them nbs scatter like roaches.

Radiant light works fine for me. Do you have any swift jewelry on?

rfennell_ESO · September 2018

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

If you are crouched Inner Light now reveals you if you cast it. Pointless ability. Use defensive rune.

It only briefly breaks your stealth, you go right back into stealth afterward.

Obviously it works much better if you are nightblade and can both cast cloak and then move fast while stealthed/cloaked.

Before it never broke stealth at all before. If you're anything but a NB why would you want to reveal your location at all?

I totally don't agree with the change that made it break stealth.

But if you use it and sweep an area with speed, you will still reveal people.

max_only · September 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's not working because the radius on light blows

It's been a long time since it was viable anti-stealth mechanic

Now you should try a PbAoE or WoE

Edit: the only tell there is for someone sneaking around you is that the music goes into combat music. I dunno if Miats still does anything or not, I'm console so I never had access to such cheesey add ons

PbAoE or WoE

What is that even?

Armatesz · September 2018

What I can think of is they bug out of the 12 meter radius and then invis 3 seconds later. You can try to clench them if they do get revealed to make them fall on their butts and then be on them. Race against time and splash a bunch of aoe and they can't invis. Fun fact that aoe damage prevents them from invis'ing. So stuff like the destro ult that follows you is pretty useful for that.

Cage_Lizardman · September 2018

Magelight is crappy yes. The only way it works offensively is to spam that and gap closer to keep him decloaked, and hope that you have friends nearby to actually get the kill.

It doesn't stop them from cloaking, it reveals them a second after they cloak and they get this glowing ball over their head, they will only run from you while they have this and they're probably faster than you. They will instantly recloak once that is gone because all nb's have infinite magicka, and you have to be in melee range of them when that happens to decloak them again or they're gone. Or more likely, right behind you with max stam/hp waiting for the right moment to kill you in 2 secs.

Beardimus · September 2018

Basically OP its nightblade meta. End of, even the bugs do then a favour at the minute, its commical. We just have to accept that. This whole reveal while you reveal thing is nonsense.

But I'm with you, its a wasted GCD as they gone in an instant, just have to try to tag them, something like Curse or get AOE down.

ATomiX96 · September 2018

detect pots >>>>> magelight. Craft them in Bulks you'll need them with the current infestation of nightblades in pvp

hakan · September 2018

i didnt had any problem with rml tho. i always catch them. and it says on the skill they cant go invis for 3 secs? anyway.

game has so many bugs and lag. didnt suprise me at all.

what class are you btw?

rfennell_ESO · September 2018

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

Magelight is crappy yes. The only way it works offensively is to spam that and gap closer to keep him decloaked, and hope that you have friends nearby to actually get the kill.

It doesn't stop them from cloaking, it reveals them a second after they cloak and they get this glowing ball over their head, they will only run from you while they have this and they're probably faster than you. They will instantly recloak once that is gone because all nb's have infinite magicka, and you have to be in melee range of them when that happens to decloak them again or they're gone. Or more likely, right behind you with max stam/hp waiting for the right moment to kill you in 2 secs.

Most stamblades have about 600 magicka regen.

Shadowy disguise costs roughly 3500 magicka and last 2.9 seconds.

The highest magicka pool you will generally see is going to be 11-12k magicka.

Math says that's 3 shadowy disguises before they are out of magicka.

Donny_Vito · September 2018

Most stamblades have about 600 magicka regen.

Shadowy disguise costs roughly 3500 magicka and last 2.9 seconds.

The highest magicka pool you will generally see is going to be 11-12k magicka.

Math says that's 3 shadowy disguises before they are out of magicka.

I think this is a little faulty, but going with that logic you have to consider the Argonian bandwagon. Pop one tri-stat potion and you're basically back to full magicka and can cast 3 more shadowy disguises, plus all the magicka regen that happened in that time-frame so 1-2 more.

Beardimus · September 2018

Mage Light in no way stops the stealthing again in 3 seconds right now.

Is that 100% still the tooltip as I read that from UESP. Its like 1 second

rfennell_ESO · September 2018

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Most stamblades have about 600 magicka regen.

Shadowy disguise costs roughly 3500 magicka and last 2.9 seconds.

The highest magicka pool you will generally see is going to be 11-12k magicka.

Math says that's 3 shadowy disguises before they are out of magicka.

I think this is a little faulty, but going with that logic you have to consider the Argonian bandwagon. Pop one tri-stat potion and you're basically back to full magicka and can cast 3 more shadowy disguises, plus all the magicka regen that happened in that time-frame so 1-2 more.

It's basically the same for any race, one tripot and you are near back to full magicka. Most stamblades will have a very small magicka pool. A fair bit are 600ish regen and 8k pool (dubious camoran throne).

I can tell you that when you really need to get away in cloak, you pop it 3 times hit a tripot and do it until you are out of los and try to restealth.

Of course, it's not always an option to chug a tripot with the potion cooldown.

Bergzorn · September 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Mage Light in no way stops the stealthing again in 3 seconds right now.

This fits my observation.

Hurtfan · September 2018

Magelight sucks...

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Detect pots is a way to go, Magelight is a jolk!

This, I've been on top of someone cloaked and it still doesn't work. I know I'm on top of them because I can see my DOT tick (it says "missed" of course).

Bergzorn · September 2018

You usually see 'missed' at their last position known to your client, not at their current position.

rfennell_ESO · September 2018

Hurtfan wrote: »

Magelight sucks...

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Detect pots is a way to go, Magelight is a jolk!

This, I've been on top of someone cloaked and it still doesn't work. I know I'm on top of them because I can see my DOT tick (it says "missed" of course).

Pretty sure the "miss" you see while someone is invisible isn't actually at their position. It's at their last known position or best guessed position.

I nail people with radiant magelight many times a day. They rarely get away. I find it works as advertised for me. Then again I'm also moving at speed when I do it, most players that are used to using stealth/invis have an understanding of the range they can be detected at and if they see you coming and move faster than you do, they just avoid you.

Hurtfan · September 2018

Bergzorn wrote: »

You usually see 'missed' at their last position known to your client, not at their current position.

They are very close to it, because they eventually popped up very near where the tic happened. They were in range of the magelight for sure.

Doesn't matter anyway because if it does reveal them, they quickly become cloaked again so you have to spam it. And spamming it doesn't work half the time either.

I have this skill double barred (triple barred really with the overload bar), I use it for its passives mainly, but use it all the time...it sucks, period.

rfennell_ESO · September 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Mage Light in no way stops the stealthing again in 3 seconds right now.

Is that 100% still the tooltip as I read that from UESP. Its like 1 second

It's definitely not 3 seconds, for whatever reason.

It's probably because it only suppresses what it revealed. If it was stealth, that will be locked out for 3 seconds. But you can cloak after a cooldown. Best guess.

I know that scorching flare does work for the 3 seconds though.

I once nailed 6 AD hideblades with it and watched them all stealth crawl in the same direction away and put another scorching flare on them at that location. I think I killed 5 of them. One had the wherewithal to just drop sneaking and move away healing.

Raammzzaa · September 2018

I have inner light on bar all the time, and it works well for me for revealing stealthed players. As others have stated, you need to stick on your prey like glue once you have revealed them since they will be trying to kite away, and you’ll probably need to reapply it more than once as you fight.

Shraar · September 2018

I think it is a very real (Fort Rayles) possibility that Lag may have something to do with it.

I am not a perfect person and I do not live in an area where I can enjoy the fastest magicka recovery on my internet.

So, I am often playing with a Ping Score of 150-200.

Is it possible that even though I think I am revealing them, that I think I am right on top of them... I am not?

What I see is not what I get it. Maybe that is why I am so confused.

It must be my fault, it must be. I find it unbearable to believe that the Imperial ZoS Legion would let something this happen.

Are we the save state they made, where they kill everyone? Are they going to load a quicksave after they realize "Huh, I guess I can kill all of Whiterun" except I'm Carlotta Valentia (Non-essential) and you're Severio Pelagia?

Mintaka5 · September 2018

Magelight is USELESS.

I've even taken to using destealthing poisons on my templar's bow, and unloaded 50 arrows on this one NB today, and watched him disappear in the same fashion he did before I hit him.

Stealthing is broke AF and many NB players are exploiting this.