"Holy Greed Batman" Welkynar Motif

wenchmore420b14_ESO · September 2018

Really? Really??????
6,000 crowns?
Come on Zo$!

VaranisArano · September 2018

Yep. Either pay up or farm the most annoyingly painful grind for a motif yet.

Its scummy. Are we surprised?

Apache_Kid · September 2018

I said this in another thread but this is the most disgusting money-grab tactic they have drummed up yet. We can expect this for future motifs as well if it sells. And you know it will sell. So many people will either buy it or purchase crowns from someone else to get it. This is just the beginning.

WrathOfInnos · September 2018

Or buy it from other players. I support high crown prices on motifs that can be farmed in game. In fact I think the Welkynar motif should be 10000000000 crowns. And I’d be happy to sell you a few pages for gold

StrafeSinnlos · September 2018

I understand why the motif locked behind some of the most difficult content in the game costs so much. What I don't understand is the horrible grind required to obtain it through in-game methods. This really looks like an obvious money grab, and I am not angry. I'm just... disappointed. I've been enjoying ESO for less than a year, but such practices are likely to turn people off the game. Disappointed.

Edit: typos.

StamWhipCultist · September 2018

I bought it and now Ill earn some gold by crafting for ppl.
Price is bit over the top.

EvilCroc · September 2018

not 5500 for just one crown pack. no.

Marabornwingrion · September 2018

I prefer to farm gold and buy it from guild stores and from vCR runs.
You won't get my money ZOS

Lexxypwns · September 2018

Just farm it.

Katahdin · September 2018

Not the first time they have charged 6k crowns for a motif, there was another one (forget which it was)

These are probably going to go for 300K to 500K per page in guild stores because of the grind involved.

I can farm the real life money for it faster (a lot faster) than the in game gold cost or by farming it directly from CR at this point.

SpacemanSpiff1 · September 2018

6000? that's too much. a shame because i really like the look of it. guess ill get it with gold down the road

Katahdin · September 2018

Double post

Tryxus · September 2018

Somehow, I'm not surprised...

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · September 2018

This makes me sad... :'(

Sheezabeast · September 2018

Nooo I assumed it was 5000 crowns...i arranged to buy 5k crowns from someone for it...I hope they have 6k crowns...I’ll find out later when I log in

Turelus · September 2018

Wait for it to become crate fodder and buy it with gems.

VaranisArano · September 2018

Turelus wrote: »

Wait for it to become crate fodder and buy it with gems.

Watch them break it up into individual pages in the purple quality rewards category...

Cpt_Teemo · September 2018

Can also spend in game gold as well since its a gift or atleast I hope so

Elsonso · September 2018

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Really? Really??????
6,000 crowns?
Come on Zo$!

ESO Plus people get another 150 Crowns per month starting later this year. Expect Crown Store price increases.

VaranisArano · September 2018

So if we use the 1:200 crown to gold ratio,

The cost of buying a gifted motif is 1.2 million.

Meaning individual pages should sell for 85kish gold.

I dunno, but I'm expecting trials players to sell it for higher than that after the effort they are putting in to grind it.

Cpt_Teemo · September 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

So if we use the 1:200 crown to gold ratio,

The cost of buying a gifted motif is 1.2 million.

Meaning individual pages should sell for 85kish gold.

I dunno, but I'm expecting trials players to sell it for higher than that after the effort they are putting in to grind it.

Who knows some groups have those trials on speed runs i got enough of those centurion items to make 8 regular ones and 2 of the blue elite ones in like a couple weeks time using gold that is I'm not a raider.

kimaeril · September 2018

I was expecting it to be 5000 crowns. I don't know if it's worth the extra 1000 crowns.

Valrien · September 2018

I like how it is explicitly priced to where you have to buy more crowns than you need to buy it.

Can't cost 5k or 5.5k crowns, nope. Gotta be 6k

Respect4Elders · September 2018

Next thing you know they'll be tring to sell us netches for 300 gems...

Zathras · September 2018

So. The most excessive grind for a motif yet..then paired with the highest Crown price seen for a motif.

You know what this reminds me of? F2P games. You can grind, or..whip out your wallet.

I've been a supporter since beta, and purchase cosmetics on top of my unlapsed subscription. HOWEVER. I am not a moron. I am very aware there has been an aggressive shift to push push push the Cash Shop. To an extent, I've been tolerant of that. What I can not excuse is tactics that F2P games use.

"It's a high price, but you don't have to buy it! It's available by in-game means!"
They instituted an eye-bleeding grind to incentivize you to take an easier route to get the motif. The high Crown price is two-fold:

ZOS can legitimize the argument simply by saying it's a luxury cosmetic item. You don't really need it, do you?
It is predatory, as they know that people want it. Collectors, completionists, master crafters..whomever.

I think it is important to call out bs. It is a well baked cake, intentionally designed to get you into the Cash Shop to fork over an exorbitant amount of Crowns.

One thing I have been noticing, is that gaming sites have been reporting on ZOS' monetization tactics. For the most part, it has been limited to loot boxes, and revolved around the ethics of gambling. I defended my game, saying what every fan says, but I can't justify what they are doing any more. As I noted above, I am not a moron. They have moved past the line that I was comfortable with, and are blatantly taking advantage of us now.

I expect monetization tactics like this from TRION, or Pearl Abyss. What is happening with ESO??

method__01 · September 2018

they "push" the price and checking sales,ppl like me-with no guild- have two choises: either pay 6k crowns
or wait a long time to buy piece by piece from traders

rly sad tactic again ZO$,how more greedy can you be?dont you get enough money from us all these years?

themaddaedra · September 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

So if we use the 1:200 crown to gold ratio,

The cost of buying a gifted motif is 1.2 million.

Meaning individual pages should sell for 85kish gold.

I dunno, but I'm expecting trials players to sell it for higher than that after the effort they are putting in to grind it.

200:1 is rare af i'd say. Even 250 is quite rare. TCE (PC-EU) set it to 325:1 and you can find from others for like 275-300:1 if you are lucky.

Edit: I'll just drop this here. Almost 10k views in this topic yet nobody from ZoS dares to say anything.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424289/the-way-you-obtain-welkynar-motif-chapters-is-a-terrible-joke/p1

Feric51 · September 2018

Let me preface my comment by saying I'm not a fan of the crown store in general, nor many of the microtransactions we've seen crop up there recently.

That being said....

I'm okay with the price being that high. If it was, say 5,000 or even 3,500, like I'm sure most people would like, that would virtually eliminate any market for the pages in the game. They are extremely hard/grindy to get in the game, and as I personally do not run trials, I will have to purchase mine from folks that do.

Even though I've spent millions of gold acquiring motifs in game from other players that I could have easily paid crowns for, I have no problems giving my gold to the people who put in the effort to get them through their intended ways (ie dungeons, trials, fishing, etc).

I think there should be a certain incentive to run end-game content and provide a source of gold-making for the players skilled/dedicated enough to do it.

If it were up to me, the crown store wouldn't sell anything that could be acquired by normal gameplay. Houses, mounts, motifs, what have you. I understand the cash cow that it is, means it will never go away, but that's just my opinion, love it or hate it.

weedgenius · September 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Just farm it.

Yeah, just farm it. Run Veteren Cloudrest five times this week (or once at +3) and bind your fragments for a motif page. Then do it again next week, and the week after that, and after that, etc... and maybe in about four months you'll have the full motif if you trade the duplicates you get with others. That sounds reasonable.

Runs · September 2018

1.2m gold. Less than it would have cost me via guild traders, for at least 6 months if not more due to the insanity required to farm.

VaranisArano · September 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

So if we use the 1:200 crown to gold ratio,

The cost of buying a gifted motif is 1.2 million.

Meaning individual pages should sell for 85kish gold.

I dunno, but I'm expecting trials players to sell it for higher than that after the effort they are putting in to grind it.

200:1 is rare af i'd say. Even 250 is quite rare. TCE (PC-EU) set it to 325:1 and ypu can find from others for like 275-300:1 if you are lucky.

Edit: I'll just drop this here. Almost 10k views in this topic yet nobody from ZoS dares to say anything.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424289/the-way-you-obtain-welkynar-motif-chapters-is-a-terrible-joke/p1

200:1 was what I was finding on PC/NA, its probably higher than that elsewhere.

Still, even at 325:1, we've got:

1,950,000 gold to gift the crown store motif

Meaning individual pages should sell for 140k each. Otherwise its more cost effective to just buy a gifted motif.

Okay, that's more expensive than 85k a page, but frankly, Buoyant Armiger used to go for more than that when it first released.

Ultimately, I suspect ZOS majorly undercut people who would farm the trials to sell these motif pages, at least in the short term. And not only is it hard content, its also a frustrating grind designed to limit availability. I would have expected trial farmers to charge more, but now they have to sell under ZOS' price.