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Calling BS on Incap nerf.
This was a pointless nerf. Seriously. Why did it need anything changed when it was already dodgeable? People can dodge it just standing still but somehow this needed a nerf. Did y'all just listen to a few whiney players that don't know how to dodge and kept getting hit by it? The stun doesn't even work about 75% of the time the skill isn't dodged and it's dodged a solid 50%+ of the time. If anything needs fixed its the way that cast time skills getting spammed work. I.e. snipe spam, dizzying swing, etc. Edit because I forgot to mention the resto/lightning staff bug. Yet another MORE important thing to worry about than an underachieving or balanced skill. Even before the nerf it was barely hitting.
Edited by ChiknAriseMcFro on September 10, 2018 5:06AM 8
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SHADOW2KK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZoS only cares about casuals, and panders the game to them ad nauseum.Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a different universe.
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usmguy1234✭✭✭✭✭
✭ChiknAriseMcFro wrote: »This was a pointless nerf. Seriously. Why did it need anything changed when it was already dodgeable? People can dodge it just standing still but somehow this needed a nerf. Did y'all just listen to a few whiney players that don't know how to dodge and kept getting hit by it? The stun doesn't even work about 75% of the time the skill isn't dodged and it's dodged a solid 50%+ of the time.
It's still one of the best single target class ultimates in the game.Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.24 -
IAVITNI✭✭✭✭✭As a magsorc main, the nerf made a difference. The amount of pressure lost in a duel is huge. If you're getting ganged by incap stuns, that's a gank problem, not incap.1
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Finviuswe✭✭✭✭ZoS only cares about casuals, and panders the game to them ad nauseum.
A regrettable truth. If only they cared for the fact that casuals normally cannot even perceive subtle changes in gameplay such as a nerf to an ultimate.
Casuals don't care at all. They're thinking about the next costume, motif, etc.3 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Are you seriously asking for a d.swing nerf?
Oh wait.. I'm on the forums again.. Right. Stamblade weakest class ever guys.. Better nerf take flight while at it.Edited by Ragnarock41 on September 10, 2018 2:42AM23 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Are you seriously asking for a d.swing nerf?
Oh wait.. I'm on the forums again.. Right. Stamblade weakest class ever guys.. Better nerf take flight while at it.
Careful, even joking about a DK nerf might cause it to really happen!4 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Are you seriously asking for a d.swing nerf?
Oh wait.. I'm on the forums again.. Right. Stamblade weakest class ever guys.. Better nerf take flight while at it.
Careful, even joking about a DK nerf might cause it to really happen!
Who even cares about leap when people can outrun it anyways? Swift sooo balanced lmao.1 -
usmguy1234 wrote: »ChiknAriseMcFro wrote: »This was a pointless nerf. Seriously. Why did it need anything changed when it was already dodgeable? People can dodge it just standing still but somehow this needed a nerf. Did y'all just listen to a few whiney players that don't know how to dodge and kept getting hit by it? The stun doesn't even work about 75% of the time the skill isn't dodged and it's dodged a solid 50%+ of the time.
It's still one of the best single target class ultimates in the game.
Not really when it misses and the stun is negated most of the time. The 120 thing doesn't even matter because it just doesn't stun.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Are you seriously asking for a d.swing nerf?
Oh wait.. I'm on the forums again.. Right. Stamblade weakest class ever guys.. Better nerf take flight while at it.
You misread sir or are attempting to troll. Either way the answer is no. It, along with the other skills mentioned need fixed. That is to say they go off and my game freezes then I'm just dead. I think it might be a netcode issue. It's the reason we get popped by 5x snipes in a split second.
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✭✭PVP has too much lag to "just dodge" most of the time you don't even know you are stunned before you are dead.11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭When it gets dodged anyway the nerf isn’t of consequence. It’s funny how people still argue for Nightblade buffs.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭When it gets dodged anyway the nerf isn’t of consequence. It’s funny how people still argue for Nightblade buffs.
Honestly, the forum is currently flooded with both Sorcs and NBs both claiming their classes are weak and need buffs."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."12 -
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This isn't a buff request. Its a criticism to the fact that there are more important things that needed fixed. Incap wasn't that big of a deal prior to the change and didn't even need it when it's hit rate was garbage anyways. I kid you not when I say some guy dodged it while standing still last night thus provoking this post. If he roll dodged, I didn't see it meaning there's some underlying problem with the game design that made the change completely pointless. Neither NB nor Sorc need buffs nor do any other classes need nerfs. There are skills that are broken because of either netcode or something else. These skills cause the screen to freeze just long enough to be unable to defend against anything that comes after. I've talked with many other players who experience the exact same thing. Skill is cast or spammed, the game freezes for a few frames, and you're dead despite anything you tried to do to defend against it. Clearly some people need to learn how actually read and understand context. Some of you see one word and instantly go off in the wrong direction with your responses. I've seen many posts about these bugs than span the life of the game and the same nonsense happened in those. Are you guys secret ZoS employees tyring to redirect attention away from the real issue so it doesn't have to be addressed or truly just that ignorant?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Are you seriously asking for a d.swing nerf?
Oh wait.. I'm on the forums again.. Right. Stamblade weakest class ever guys.. Better nerf take flight while at it.
Careful, even joking about a DK nerf might cause it to really happen!
Who even cares about leap when people can outrun it anyways? Swift sooo balanced lmao.
Yea, swift is pretty ridiculous atm
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✭✭✭✭Soo, what's the issue? Lag or Incap nerfs? Title says incap nerfs..
Lag affects everyone (ever try playing a low-health, light armour sorc who simply refuses to shield no matter how many times you mash the button?) and they can't fix it. Doesn't mean they shouldn't still do balancing changes..
Minalan owes me a beer.
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Soo, what's the issue? Lag or Incap nerfs? Title says incap nerfs..
Lag affects everyone (ever try playing a low-health, light armour sorc who simply refuses to shield no matter how many times you mash the button?) and they can't fix it. Doesn't mean they shouldn't still do balancing changes..
The issue is that the nerf was pointless. Please refer to the first part of the title. Title says "Calling BS on Incap Nerf". Perfect example of how people don't actually read before they comment. The issue could be lag. It could also be poor netcode or game design. The fact that animation cancelling is still a thing is proof that there's something wrong with the game in general and instead of worring about nerfing x skill/class/set they need to fix things at a base level where all players are affected. I.E. the lag that everyone gets because of junk servers.Edited by ChiknAriseMcFro on September 10, 2018 11:57AM0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Are you seriously asking for a d.swing nerf?
Oh wait.. I'm on the forums again.. Right. Stamblade weakest class ever guys.. Better nerf take flight while at it.
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✭I agree that the nerf was kind of unnecessary, but it is not a big deal. The skill misses a lot if not timed well as it is and the increased cost for the cc brings it up to the cost of DBoS, which is a better skill in many ways (not dodgeable, AoE, easy to animation cancel, passively buffs weapon damage, etc.). I've debated whether to drop Incap for Dawny, but so far Incap has remained on my bar. I usually use an opener from stealth or fear anyway for CC, so I was not getting the CC effect that often before the nerf.
I also agree that there is a lot of complaining from sorcs and occasionally nightblades on the forums about how terrible their class is. I play both in pvp and pve and think they are in a good place right now, so I find most of the complaining to be over the top. It is true that mNB is king in pve right now, but that's a topic for another thread.Edited by Dalsinthus on September 10, 2018 2:20PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Are you seriously asking for a d.swing nerf?
Oh wait.. I'm on the forums again.. Right. Stamblade weakest class ever guys.. Better nerf take flight while at it.
Oh please. We're not magsorcs; we know we're in a good spot. This is just nitpicking honestly.
I think the Incap change was a good one. I just don't like the green icon lol4 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ChiknAriseMcFro wrote: »Soo, what's the issue? Lag or Incap nerfs? Title says incap nerfs..
Lag affects everyone (ever try playing a low-health, light armour sorc who simply refuses to shield no matter how many times you mash the button?) and they can't fix it. Doesn't mean they shouldn't still do balancing changes..
The issue is that the nerf was pointless. Please refer to the first part of the title. Title says "Calling BS on Incap Nerf". Perfect example of how people don't actually read before they comment. The issue could be lag. It could also be poor netcode or game design. The fact that animation cancelling is still a thing is proof that there's something wrong with the game in general and instead of worring about nerfing x skill/class/set they need to fix things at a base level where all players are affected. I.E. the lag that everyone gets because of junk servers.
Ahh, I see! Its an ani-cancelling issue!Minalan owes me a beer.
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Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Are you seriously asking for a d.swing nerf?
Oh wait.. I'm on the forums again.. Right. Stamblade weakest class ever guys.. Better nerf take flight while at it.
Oh please. We're not magsorcs; we know we're in a good spot. This is just nitpicking honestly.
I think the Incap change was a good one. I just don't like the green icon lol
Yeah, you are not a magsorc, but a stamblade, so you are in a good spot
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✭✭✭✭✭LMAO at stamblades complaining about a token nerf like this. Stamblades are the apex of power in this game in both PVE and PVP by a pretty heafty margin. I spent a good part of the weekend running around on my stamblade for the first time in a while. Holy Balls was it strong, and I am not even that great at it (yet). Yes, I finally jumped on the band wagon, but at this point, why wouldnt you.12 -
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✭ChiknAriseMcFro wrote: »This was a pointless nerf. Seriously. Why did it need anything changed when it was already dodgeable? People can dodge it just standing still but somehow this needed a nerf. Did y'all just listen to a few whiney players that don't know how to dodge and kept getting hit by it? The stun doesn't even work about 75% of the time the skill isn't dodged and it's dodged a solid 50%+ of the time. If anything needs fixed its the way that cast time skills getting spammed work. I.e. snipe spam, dizzying swing, etc. Edit because I forgot to mention the resto/lightning staff bug. Yet another MORE important thing to worry about than an underachieving or balanced skill. Even before the nerf it was barely hitting.
Because except for perma dodgers most people probably could not dodge it b/c of how fast it is and latency and the simple fact that they are not build to dodge that often.
It's still a very strong ultimate.
But since I don't want any trouble: Hail NBs! Buff Stamblades! (please don't hurt me).Edited by Galarthor on September 10, 2018 5:09PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭usmguy1234 wrote: »ChiknAriseMcFro wrote: »This was a pointless nerf. Seriously. Why did it need anything changed when it was already dodgeable? People can dodge it just standing still but somehow this needed a nerf. Did y'all just listen to a few whiney players that don't know how to dodge and kept getting hit by it? The stun doesn't even work about 75% of the time the skill isn't dodged and it's dodged a solid 50%+ of the time.
It's still one of the best single target class ultimates in the game.
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Kronuxx✭✭✭✭Stamblades are in a very good spot right now. One of the few if not the only class that has one of the highest pushable PvE dps's, but also the ability to still push the highest burst in PvP while still speccing towards towards two Regen/defensive sets. The Incap change was absolutely necessary albeit a small one. If this change is hindering your gameplay as a stamblade then perhaps you just aren't very good at playing as a stamblade.
In the words of a very good player I once knew: Stamblades carry trash players, but a proficient stamblade? He is unstoppable.Edited by Kronuxx on September 10, 2018 5:17PM4 -
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✭If you want a stun in an ability that gives you 20% more damage, and 30% less heals, you need to stack more ulti points.
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Are you seriously asking for a d.swing nerf?
Oh wait.. I'm on the forums again.. Right. Stamblade weakest class ever guys.. Better nerf take flight while at it.
Oh please. We're not magsorcs; we know we're in a good spot. This is just nitpicking honestly.
I think the Incap change was a good one. I just don't like the green icon lol
Stamblades are not in a ''good'' spot, there is your mistake. Both stam and magblades are simply broken. I think everyone outside of nightblade mains realized it at this point. İnvisibility+invulnerability at your will,easy sustain, best single target damage, ez mode spammable, ez execute, shade.... and meanwhile balance team loses their minds thinking stam whip would be so broken or something..
Mark my words Wrobel and his bias will definitely ruin this game. Lets see how long it takes before people get sick of elder nightblades online.Edited by Ragnarock41 on September 10, 2018 7:12PM9 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Are you seriously asking for a d.swing nerf?
Oh wait.. I'm on the forums again.. Right. Stamblade weakest class ever guys.. Better nerf take flight while at it.
Oh please. We're not magsorcs; we know we're in a good spot. This is just nitpicking honestly.
I think the Incap change was a good one. I just don't like the green icon lol
Stamblades are not in a ''good'' spot, there is your mistake. Both stam and magblades are simply broken. I think everyone outside of nightblade mains realized it at this point. İnvisibility+invulnerability at your will.... and balance team loses their mind about stam whip...
Mark my words wrobel and his bias will ruin this game one day.
If Cloak is what makes the class OP then by all means nerf it if it's over-performing.0
