PvP Resource Feedback: Stamina > Magicka and a Possible Solution.
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's unfair to really use this brand new meta as the base of your post.
Yes, right now stamina is dominate with about everything being dodgeable at range and high mobility builds
But for years we've seen buff medium armor threads and no one voiced any disagreement
So now we have medium armor being indirectly buffed/ stamina in general
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Unknown_Redemption✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »It's unfair to really use this brand new meta as the base of your post.
Yes, right now stamina is dominate with about everything being dodgeable at range and high mobility builds
But for years we've seen buff medium armor threads and no one voiced any disagreement
So now we have medium armor being indirectly buffed/ stamina in general
It was an example, not meta bashing. But to be honest, Immortal Wardens are a problem. They are what shield stacking sorcs in 2015 were. But that really isnt the point of this thread.
Its to buff Frost Staves to give new options for magicka users. And if you wield a frost staff you lose the passives from Fire or Lightning; so it is obviously a compromise.0 -
ruikkarikun✭✭✭✭✭
Right. You want to nerf shields, we want to nerf you then. Simple.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Yeah lets nerf mobility so stam is basically shite green magicka with little to no build paths, nor any utility , right lads?
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Unknown_Redemption✭✭✭✭✭ruikkarikun wrote: »
Right. You want to nerf shields, we want to nerf you then. Simple.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Yeah lets nerf mobility so stam is basically shite green magicka with little to no build paths, nor any utility , right lads?
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usmguy1234✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »Unknown_Redemption wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Unknown_Redemption wrote: »I am sure there is going to be some blow back here, but I wanted to post this regardless. PvP does not appear balanced between Stamina and Magicka, and it seems the ratio of players running stamina to magicka is about 8:1.
I have been watching Fengrush's Twitch for some time, and dont get me wrong he is exceptionally talented a great web personality, but this should make it clear to the developers how OP stamina can be. I understand the skill ceiling is higher, but that doesnt mean they should pull so far ahead in regards to PvP performance. This is the most apparent on Stamina Wardens, as they can sprint, roll dodge, hide, and set up a lethal combo while magicka users try to simply catch up.
Why not give Ice Staves the ability to Drain Magicka while Sprinting or Dodge Rolling instead of having to tri-stat everything to gain only a small amount of suitability.
stamina is far from broken. if you put two extremely talented people against each other one on magicka and one on stamina. most of the time itll come down to luck. ive seen videos of stamina dragonknights vs magicka dragonknights and magicka can dominate over the stamina version very easily due to magicka has access to more abilities. stamsorcs and mag sorcs same thing except mag sorcs have access to ungodly level shields and the ability to super burst if they build for it. warden not even gonna talk about that class as its a pile of crap. nightblades are probly the only class thats balanced in pvp their glass cannons that unless played right get murdered. and templars that class damage wise makes barely little sense as its probly one of the weakest classes in the game period in damage.
Its not that Magicka or Stamina are broken, it that stamina builds have a lot more survivability due to evasive actions. I feel the above solution would be the best option; as it doesnt require any nerfs, just extends a different build option.
magicka can dodge forever too. plus they have probly the better of the suvivability pulls in the form of shields that yall can spam. stamina doesnt have that luxury without sacrificing some pretty significant damage
I don't quite believe this because without decent damage you can't heal worth a flip.Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.0 -
Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭People thinking stamina is not > magicka are either biased or lack of knowledge.
Stamina have better sustain than magicka because they can effectively use HA while magicka can't.
Stamina have better mobility than magicka because major expedition is BiS for them from lingering + speed potions with access to easy snare removal and immunity + the possibility to sprint that synergize with that + better synergy with swift.
Stamina have better survivability than magicka because their main pool make them able to turtle far more easely because their mitigation (block and dodge) are the best, and because they don't need to invest a ton off energy in off ressource pool to be viable. Stamina off ressource pool is generaly about utility while magicka one is strictly bound to dead (cc break, block, dodge).
Stamina have better overall pressure and burst because DBoS is front loaded untelegraphed burst and because stamina have reliable access to either major defile or bleed.
You can find example where magicka can bypass stamina in an area, but overall stamina is far better than magicka for everything that's not healing/group support machine.1 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ruikkarikun wrote: »
Right. You want to nerf shields, we want to nerf you then. Simple.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Yeah lets nerf mobility so stam is basically shite green magicka with little to no build paths, nor any utility , right lads?
aren't you supposed to morning cap or something at this time of day?0 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭list of reasons stam is op:
-wrecking blow
- reverse slice
- lethal arrow
- focused aim
- toppling charge
- having actually good proc sets (yes mag as calurrion but thats difficult to get)
- has stam... being able to cc break is pretty great
- ya cant hit them
- heavy armor works just fine for them1