Zos... Dont you think this grind is a little ridiculous?

eso_lags · September 2018

Maybe just a little??

I havent been a bit fan of bgs up until the last month or so. And i dont really like bgs, tbh.. I only play it because cyrodil is unplayable on xbox... I have cp and i want to use it. Its actually pretty gross that they wouldn't even give us 1 bg mode with CP, but thats another rant.

What is insane to me is the end of match rewards for the games. Seriously? One day at a time for the style pages? I mean thats fine but one day at a time and its not a guaranteed drop even if you win?! And the most absurd part is that not only do you have to hope RNG gives you your one page per day, yes per character, but you have to get the light helmet. The medium helmet. The heavy helmet. And so on and so on.

Why? Like why would you do that. Getting one per day would be fine. Should have made it one random per account instead of character. And i would even be okay with the RNG aspect if the winner would actually get the style page in the "one day at a time" reward box. But i really cant wrap my head around why you would split up light, medium, and heavy. You turned a massive grind into an even more massive grind for no reason..

I dont know why certain mmos loveee to throw rng on everything.. Or why they loveee to give pointless grinds. Its beyond me.

Now it would be awful if you did it with the weapons too... Like one of each staff or one of each 1 hand and 2 hand..... Oh wait YOU DID! I dont get it. I mean at least you didnt do it with the 3 destros and resto but come to think of it you probably should have. It makes no sense why you wouldn't since you did it with the other weapons but hey none of it makes sense to me so who cares.

Im sure its been brought up before. Oh well. I really dont understand it and felt the need to rant. And maybe ill get a 1 in a million response explaining this madness.. I just hope it doesn't continue into the future but im sure it will. I mean you guys were spot on with the fire drake, stormlord, and pit deamon styles. Why couldnt you stay closer to that method? If you win you're more likely to get it. Less rng. Certain modes give certain ones.. Its awesome, so props for that.

Its not that i dont appreciate the new stuff they put in the game like this. I do. Especially when it comes to anything pvp related.. But grinding motifs is a chore. Always has been. And this is 100 times worse.

CyberSkooma · September 2018

I got like 6 style pages today so i don't know what you're talking about.

Mayrael · September 2018

Ummmm.. you can get multiple pages per day. It took me totally 2 days, to farm all pages. Each won BG guarantees you a style page but only if you don't know it already - at the beginning when you have no style pages each win will almost always give you a page, when you are closer to the end it gets harder. In my case I won 31 BGs out of 36 matches and that was all I needed to get all style pages.

If only I could level undaunted guild as fast...

eso_lags · September 2018

Mayrael wrote: »

Ummmm.. you can get multiple pages per day. It took me totally 2 days, to farm all pages. Each won BG guarantees you a style page but only if you don't know it already - at the beginning when you have non style pages each win will almost always give you a page, when you are closer to the end it gets harder. In my case I won 31 BGs out of 36 matches and that was all I needed to get all style pages.

If only I could level undaunted guild as fast...

Are you talking about the one day at a time reward? or the pit daemon, firedrake etc.. Because i get a style page from the "one day at a time" boxes maybe 1/3 boxes or something like that. And you have to win or place 2nd to get the box.

*** Ya im fairly certain you mean the pit daemon, stormlord, and firedrake ones. Those are the ones you get for winning. Im talking about fanged worm and horned dragon ones ( i think thats the name )

eso_lags · September 2018

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I got like 6 style pages today so i don't know what you're talking about.

Again you should specify. Are you ya talking about the reward boxes? Or the specific game modes rewards (pit daemon etc..) Because I ran yesterday on 3 different characters for 3 separate random reward boxes and got 1 horned dragon medium head.

And again the point is more than there is no need to separate them by armor weight. turning 7 motifs into 21 style pages. The weapons arent as bad tbh.

xb1LL_mr_sir_LL · September 2018

if you got the pages as fast as you wanted you'd be on here whining about how there's nothing to do.
in case you forgot you're playing a mmo everything Is a grind its kinda the whole point of the game.

Unfadingsilence · September 2018

Only took a few days to get all pages it was pretty easy tbh and that's on Xbox NA and EU

Czekoludek · September 2018

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Only took a few days to get all pages it was pretty easy tbh and that's on Xbox NA and EU

You got all the pages for horned dragon and fanged worm in just few days? You knows it is impossible to do, right? Motifs like Firedrake or Stormlord are easy to obtain but dont compare it with horned dragon cuz the difference in grind level is pretty significant

Azuramoonstar · September 2018

if you think that is a grind, try a weapon taking years to do a chain quest to upgrade.

been there.

Tyrobag · September 2018

Plus there's the fact that they aren't tradeable, which is pure BS since the monster helm/shoulder pages are. If they were tradeable then the horrible grind wouldn't be as much of an issue. I stopped even trying when I realized that they were split by armor weight too, meaning that I was never going to get the one part I actually wanted.

Facefister · September 2018

It took me three days to get all the PvP style pages. Three days.

Anrose · September 2018

Facefister wrote: »

It took me three days to get all the PvP style pages. Three days.

There no way you got all the Fanged Worm and Horned Dragon pages in 3 days. Which is what the OP is talking about.

OrphanHelgen · September 2018

I played battlegrounds for a few days and got all the motifs. I didn't even have meta build, just some crappy build I put together.
All I did was having fun and got motifs eventually.
But if you wanna rage about rng, lets talk about the fishing recipes in summerset.

Shawn_PT · September 2018

I can understand the frustration. And I have to say I agree. For the purposes of this post I'm not considering the BGs style pages, but the Dragon Bones variants which come from the daily purple reward box. I think I have three pages of those. Maybe. And when they came out I was actually motivated to go alone into BGs which is something I'd never do otherwise.

First day I got a page. It felt awesome. Couple days later, same. But then something changed and I'm not sure what it was. Placing on 1st or second suddenly didn't give me a page. WTH. I blamed it on RNG. Why do we need RNG over another layer of RNG on the pages. As if it was not bad enough to have one page per day and weights split no less.

From then on I only force myself into BGs once in a blue moon. Seldom with any success. My last foray I took my magsorc fully decked in PvE gear. Because why bother changing build for a chance at a chance at a page. Every single time I was the player with the most score in my team, regardless of what type of BGs popped up. And we always placed on last. Meaning no reward whatsoever. After 3 or 4 matches I said screw it. This is pointless.

I haven't stepped into BGs since.

I wish we could buy the boxes with AP. One per day. Because why not. Random page inside, but at least it would be guaranteed. As it is, something that was meant to draw more people into BGs has completely killed my drive to bother with them.

themaddaedra · September 2018

Facefister wrote: »

It took me three days to get all the PvP style pages. Three days.

This person doesn't even know what all the BG pages are lol.

OP forgot to mention that even light jerkin and robe are different pages lmao. That a terrible joke.

I'm a lover of collecting things. My main knows all of the existing motifs, i always thought i'd keep it as far as it goes but heyho, i'm not diving into this BS.

Fanged Worm and Horned Dragon pages make a total of 60. Now if you are so crazy about it and do BGs with 15 characters every day, and soooooo lucky that you get a page from every single match, it still can't be done in 3 days lmao.

And you don't get the pages you already know, but they still count for RNG. Means if you collected 59 out of 60 pages, your chance to drop the final page from a box is lower than %2.

I haven't really seen a bigger major BS. Nobody sane would bother grinding an ugly af mace style for over and over.

Edit: Forgot to count bows, so it's a total of 60, not 58.

Kikke · September 2018

Hey OP, Singelplayer games are the other way. You sound like the type of person too use cheats whenever you want something instead of actually working for it.

Yes, MMOs are all about the grind. Trying too say that it's dumb, well, maybe MMOs are not for you?
And
Yes, you can get more than 1 page a day, as long as you can do BGs on more than 1 character a day. So, what are you actually crying over? bad RNG? getting same pages over and over so it looks empty? taking too much time?

The last one is realy nothing too complain about, if it takes time, then the devs made it correctly. Things will not just appear without being worked for.

Thalmor-Nordmaster · September 2018

I have been farming motifs fairly heavily since 2015 have yet to get them all. The grind is excessive. this all started with the Glass armor fiasco. The writing was on the wall. To the OP I feel your frustration, as I share it. The grind is too dam much. Now we have master writs locked behind improbable motif pages. Cannot complete the writ unless you have the style page. Thus wasting my time and making that writ irrelevant. So I trash it.

At some point, this is going to devolve into needing to collect style pages, item pages, and key pages just to leave Coldharbour.

Anotherone773 · September 2018

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

if you think that is a grind, try a weapon taking years to do a chain quest to upgrade.

been there.

That reminds me of playing Last Chaos. The level grind in that was horrendous You could spend 8 hours a day for weeks grinding mobs with xp buff to get a single level. Ultimately it got to boring to gain a level and they got ridiculous with their gear upgrades.

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

I have been farming motifs fairly heavily since 2015 have yet to get them all. The grind is excessive. this all started with the Glass armor fiasco. The writing was on the wall. To the OP I feel your frustration, as I share it. The grind is too dam much. Now we have master writs locked behind improbable motif pages. Cannot complete the writ unless you have the style page. Thus wasting my time and making that writ irrelevant. So I trash it.

At some point, this is going to devolve into needing to collect style pages, item pages, and key pages just to leave Coldharbour.

You must be doing it the hard way. Mine is 75% complete in 10 months and i dont spend more than 2-3 hours a week on it. The hard way being trying to get every single chapter as a drop. BA alone would take you over a year farming it for hours a day. That is just a waste of time.

CyberSkooma · September 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I got like 6 style pages today so i don't know what you're talking about.

Again you should specify. Are you ya talking about the reward boxes? Or the specific game modes rewards (pit daemon etc..) Because I ran yesterday on 3 different characters for 3 separate random reward boxes and got 1 horned dragon medium head.

And again the point is more than there is no need to separate them by armor weight. turning 7 motifs into 21 style pages. The weapons arent as bad tbh.

Maybe you should have specified, since you're the one that made the post. This post would have been way easier for some people to understand if you hadn't left it up to assumption.

Osteos · September 2018

They may not but I certainly do!

weedgenius · September 2018

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

I have been farming motifs fairly heavily since 2015 have yet to get them all. The grind is excessive. this all started with the Glass armor fiasco. The writing was on the wall. To the OP I feel your frustration, as I share it. The grind is too dam much.

100000% yes. From farming fragments for glass pages to Pyandonean being separated per page in the crates and BG style pages giving pages per WEIGHT to now Welkynar requiring you to grind Vet trials for fragments that you can only bind together once a week while the full book drops in the Crown Store on the same day.... this does not bode well for the future of motif releases...

SickleCider · September 2018

it's about

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ruikkarikun · September 2018

Agree at all, but let's talk also about other rng content like

35+ runs vWGT and ZERO helmet motif
60+ runs to get ONE Maelstorm Bow
30+ runs vMoS and ZERO Blood moon daggers
farming trials from october 2017 and getting ZERO TFS, VO etc weapons (LIKE DAGGERS/AXE/SWORDS)
100+ to get soul-shriven skin at event (with increased drops (srsly??))
etc etc etc

If someone will tell me somesthing keep in mind I KNOW PEOPLE WHO DROP LISTED ITEMS FROM FIRST or 1-10 RUNS.

So rework rng system or it's a joke.

JitchDaddy · September 2018

xb1LL_mr_sir_LL wrote: »

if you got the pages as fast as you wanted you'd be on here whining about how there's nothing to do.

Highly unlikely. There is always something to grind. The best part about ESO is that you can grind for years and still have something to do.

Urvoth · September 2018

What I hate is that playing BGs actually loses you money. With the amount of potions you use and how bad the rewards of the worthy and victory rewards are, you pretty much come out at a massive loss by playing BGs regularly.

Juhasow · September 2018

Mayrael wrote: »

Ummmm.. you can get multiple pages per day. It took me totally 2 days, to farm all pages. Each won BG guarantees you a style page but only if you don't know it already - at the beginning when you have no style pages each win will almost always give you a page, when you are closer to the end it gets harder. In my case I won 31 BGs out of 36 matches and that was all I needed to get all style pages.

If only I could level undaunted guild as fast...

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I played battlegrounds for a few days and got all the motifs. I didn't even have meta build, just some crappy build I put together.
All I did was having fun and got motifs eventually.
But if you wanna rage about rng, lets talk about the fishing recipes in summerset.

He's talking about Fanged Worm and Horned Dragon styles not Pit Deamons , Firedrakes and Stormlords. Did You also got that two full motifs in few days ? (hint : it's retorical question)...

Davor · September 2018

Maybe play Black Desert Online first then talk about the grind?

eso_lags · September 2018

Davor wrote: »

Maybe play Black Desert Online first then talk about the grind?

I have played bdo a bit. I dont anymore lol. But it is probably the best looking mmo out. I've also played archeage a lot and the grind in AA is pretty hard too. The upgrade system, like bdo, is bad. Your stuff will get destroyed or downgraded the more you upgrade it. Terrible system. In fact archeage is my favorite mmo ever. It has everyone i could hope for in an mmo. But the grind and p2w ruins it completely.

eso_lags · September 2018

JitchDaddy wrote: »

xb1LL_mr_sir_LL wrote: »

if you got the pages as fast as you wanted you'd be on here whining about how there's nothing to do.

Highly unlikely. There is always something to grind. The best part about ESO is that you can grind for years and still have something to do.

Pretty much. I have played for a long time. I have played many mmos. I dont mind grinding. However if i think something is a bit too much then im going to say it. And i think rng on these once per day boxes is just a bit too much.

Valrien · September 2018

Urvoth wrote: »

What I hate is that playing BGs actually loses you money. With the amount of potions you use and how bad the rewards of the worthy and victory rewards are, you pretty much come out at a massive loss by playing BGs regularly.

Then don't use expensive potions.

I should be using Health + Magicka + Unstoppable on my Mag Sorc but I do okay with standard Magicka potions...not great, but okay.

And if I can manage on a Mag Sorc (worst sustain) then anyone should be able to manage on anything

eso_lags · September 2018

CyberSkooma wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I got like 6 style pages today so i don't know what you're talking about.

Again you should specify. Are you ya talking about the reward boxes? Or the specific game modes rewards (pit daemon etc..) Because I ran yesterday on 3 different characters for 3 separate random reward boxes and got 1 horned dragon medium head.

And again the point is more than there is no need to separate them by armor weight. turning 7 motifs into 21 style pages. The weapons arent as bad tbh.

Maybe you should have specified, since you're the one that made the post. This post would have been way easier for some people to understand if you hadn't left it up to assumption.

And i would even be okay with the RNG aspect if the winner would actually get the style page in the "one day at a time" reward box. But i really cant wrap my head around why you would split up light, medium, and heavy. You turned a massive grind into an even more massive grind for no reason.. - from my first post. See where it says one day at a time reward boxes. Which are from the 1 random bg per day.