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Nightblade: Siphoning Strikes
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Siphoning Strikes Morphs:
Leeching Strikes
Imbue your weapons with soul-stealing power, causing your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore # Health and # Stamina for 20 seconds. You restore up to # additional Stamina when the effect ends, based on the time this ability is active. Cost # Stamina
Siphoning Attacks
Imbue your weapons with soul-stealing power, causing your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore # Health and # Magicka for 20 seconds. You restore up to # additional Magicka when the effect ends, based on the time this ability is active. Cost # Magicka
What I don't get is that it cost Stamina to gain Stamina and Health or cost Magicka to gain Magicka and Health. Which seems the purpose is kinda defeating do to the fact I am spending the same resource to gain the same resource.
Why isn't it cost Magicka to gain Stamina and Health or cost Stamina to gain Magicka and Health?
Edited by Thoradeldo on September 5, 2018 5:14AM Leeching Strikes
Imbue your weapons with soul-stealing power, causing your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore # Health and # Stamina for 20 seconds. You restore up to # additional Stamina when the effect ends, based on the time this ability is active. Cost # Stamina
Siphoning Attacks
Imbue your weapons with soul-stealing power, causing your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore # Health and # Magicka for 20 seconds. You restore up to # additional Magicka when the effect ends, based on the time this ability is active. Cost # Magicka
What I don't get is that it cost Stamina to gain Stamina and Health or cost Magicka to gain Magicka and Health. Which seems the purpose is kinda defeating do to the fact I am spending the same resource to gain the same resource.
Why isn't it cost Magicka to gain Stamina and Health or cost Stamina to gain Magicka and Health?
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Houshiki✭✭✭✭Does it really matter all that much? I mean, nightblades already have the best sustain in the game. Maintaining either morph uptime won't really take such a bite into their resources that it hampers their ability to sustain.5 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Actually reversing the resource costs would be a nerf for most builds in PvP except Brawler styled ones. As stamNB you reserve your off resource for Cloak mostly. As magNB your stam is precious to break free and dodge.
Only as heavy Armour character without cloak a reversed resource cost would be a benefit.Edited by Feanor on September 5, 2018 7:10AMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.4 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I could see some improvements to siphoning, but not this. A persistant off bar toggle, (like how Mend Wounds works) would be cool. A removal of the cost entirely would make sense if there wasn't a burst heal and recover included. If it was straight resource return, like Dark Deal, your suggestion would make sense, except that's a sorcs, not a NB.
So, it could be better, but it probably doesn't need to be.
I mean, I'd like to see both siphoning and Grim Focus as persistant, Mending style, toggles, to reduce class micromanagement, but I don't think that's necessary, and probably not even appropriate. Though given the class has one of the highest skill floors in the game...0 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Aside from the idea of investment the old morphs gave magic and stam back at the cost of a bit of magicka and the other was a pure health stealing morph with decreased weapon and spell damage.
I much prefered the old version as it helped in PvP and enabled sap tanking.Does it really matter all that much? I mean, nightblades already have the best sustain in the game. Maintaining either morph uptime won't really take such a bite into their resources that it hampers their ability to sustain.
Templar's Channeled focus is better if the nightblade is having issues light attacking (although rare these conditions do exist).
Templar gets 4800 magicka back over 20 seconds
Nightblade gets 4270 and an additional 106 for each light attack.
So a nightblade CAN have better sustain. But Channeled comes with so many other benefits it really is a better skill overallFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Aside from the idea of investment the old morphs gave magic and stam back at the cost of a bit of magicka and the other was a pure health stealing morph with decreased weapon and spell damage.
I much prefered the old version as it helped in PvP and enabled sap tanking.Does it really matter all that much? I mean, nightblades already have the best sustain in the game. Maintaining either morph uptime won't really take such a bite into their resources that it hampers their ability to sustain.
Templar's Channeled focus is better if the nightblade is having issues light attacking (although rare these conditions do exist).
Templar gets 4800 magicka back over 20 seconds
Nightblade gets 4270 and an additional 106 for each light attack.
So a nightblade CAN have better sustain. But Channeled comes with so many other benefits it really is a better skill overall
Nightblade also gets pretty cheap casts, a regen passive, and a free cast every 5 light attacks (which helps a ton with sustain on its own).
All that combined with Siphoning gives superior sustain. I'd honestly say the free cast every 5 light attacks is the biggest part of their sustain.
Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Op, you are absolutely right. Don’t listen to these people. Here is how it used to be before this ridiculous change
Relevant demonstration on how important Siphoning Attacks was starts at 34 minutes.
https://youtu.be/fK5D32QGsy0
And guess what? Zos then hired this guy to work on combat. Anyone who tells you the current Siphoning Attacks is better has deluded themselves.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/336506/you-misspelled-nightblades-in-the-patch-notes
We have health sapping skills, we didn’t need additional health restoreEdited by max_only on September 6, 2018 7:39PM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
|| CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom1 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »I could see some improvements to siphoning, but not this. A persistant off bar toggle, (like how Mend Wounds works) would be cool. A removal of the cost entirely would make sense if there wasn't a burst heal and recover included. If it was straight resource return, like Dark Deal, your suggestion would make sense, except that's a sorcs, not a NB.
So, it could be better, but it probably doesn't need to be.
I mean, I'd like to see both siphoning and Grim Focus as persistant, Mending style, toggles, to reduce class micromanagement, but I don't think that's necessary, and probably not even appropriate. Though given the class has one of the highest skill floors in the game...
There's no burst heal.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Aside from the idea of investment the old morphs gave magic and stam back at the cost of a bit of magicka and the other was a pure health stealing morph with decreased weapon and spell damage.
I much prefered the old version as it helped in PvP and enabled sap tanking.Does it really matter all that much? I mean, nightblades already have the best sustain in the game. Maintaining either morph uptime won't really take such a bite into their resources that it hampers their ability to sustain.
Templar's Channeled focus is better if the nightblade is having issues light attacking (although rare these conditions do exist).
Templar gets 4800 magicka back over 20 seconds
Nightblade gets 4270 and an additional 106 for each light attack.
So a nightblade CAN have better sustain. But Channeled comes with so many other benefits it really is a better skill overall
Nightblade also gets pretty cheap casts, a regen passive, and a free cast every 5 light attacks (which helps a ton with sustain on its own).
All that combined with Siphoning gives superior sustain. I'd honestly say the free cast every 5 light attacks is the biggest part of their sustain.
Nightblade no longer has cheap casts* But Templar does. 4% to everything
Channeled is a better skill as it comes with more passives and buffs attached too it which allows for a very high uptime of major resistance buffs.
As for the sustain element of the skill they are both pretty close contenders.
Will is not a free cast. Not entirely at least. From a PvP perspective you typically get 2 wills off per cast, sometimes 3 if you are in control of the fight more and 4 if you zerg.
But lets go with 2 wills per cast. The skill costs 2700 magicka and since we get to actively use it twice than we can divide that to say it's costing 1350 every time you fire the will. You simply payed the cost upfront. This isn't too outstanding and the cost when looked at this way is a lot like the cost of casting burning embers (Which is a good burst heal after the time it takes to weave in 5 light attacks).
... Yikes I'm turning into Gilliam/KenaEdited by NyassaV on September 6, 2018 7:48PMFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Shantu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Makes perfect sense to me. The skill is going to cost you some resource, which you get back, thereby negating some of the cost of the skill.0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
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If templar had better sustain, its DPS would be almost as high as NB (NB would still be overall set up better though). After Morrowind, sustain is the biggest part of DPS. That's also why Sorc has some of the lowest DPS (worst sustain).Aside from the idea of investment the old morphs gave magic and stam back at the cost of a bit of magicka and the other was a pure health stealing morph with decreased weapon and spell damage.
I much prefered the old version as it helped in PvP and enabled sap tanking.Does it really matter all that much? I mean, nightblades already have the best sustain in the game. Maintaining either morph uptime won't really take such a bite into their resources that it hampers their ability to sustain.
Templar's Channeled focus is better if the nightblade is having issues light attacking (although rare these conditions do exist).
Templar gets 4800 magicka back over 20 seconds
Nightblade gets 4270 and an additional 106 for each light attack.
So a nightblade CAN have better sustain. But Channeled comes with so many other benefits it really is a better skill overall
Nightblade also gets pretty cheap casts, a regen passive, and a free cast every 5 light attacks (which helps a ton with sustain on its own).
All that combined with Siphoning gives superior sustain. I'd honestly say the free cast every 5 light attacks is the biggest part of their sustain.
Nightblade no longer has cheap casts* But Templar does. 4% to everything
Channeled is a better skill as it comes with more passives and buffs attached too it which allows for a very high uptime of major resistance buffs.
As for the sustain element of the skill they are both pretty close contenders.
Will is not a free cast. Not entirely at least. From a PvP perspective you typically get 2 wills off per cast, sometimes 3 if you are in control of the fight more and 4 if you zerg.
But lets go with 2 wills per cast. The skill costs 2700 magicka and since we get to actively use it twice than we can divide that to say it's costing 1350 every time you fire the will. You simply payed the cost upfront. This isn't too outstanding and the cost when looked at this way is a lot like the cost of casting burning embers (Which is a good burst heal after the time it takes to weave in 5 light attacks).
... Yikes I'm turning into Gilliam/Kena
Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake0 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Makes perfect sense to me. The skill is going to cost you some resource, which you get back, thereby negating some of the cost of the skill.
Dark exchange costs the opposite resource.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
|| CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
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Dark Exchange also has a cast time and gives the resources up front.
It's a fundamentally different skill from Siphoning...plus...you know, Siphoning is a buff and therefore has a more passive benefit. Dark Exchange is not and therefore does not.
I honestly don't see how Dark Exchange is relevant at all.Edited by Valrien on September 6, 2018 7:54PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
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If templar had better sustain, its DPS would be almost as high as NB (NB would still be overall set up better though). After Morrowind, sustain is the biggest part of DPS. That's also why Sorc has some of the lowest DPS (worst sustain).Aside from the idea of investment the old morphs gave magic and stam back at the cost of a bit of magicka and the other was a pure health stealing morph with decreased weapon and spell damage.
I much prefered the old version as it helped in PvP and enabled sap tanking.Does it really matter all that much? I mean, nightblades already have the best sustain in the game. Maintaining either morph uptime won't really take such a bite into their resources that it hampers their ability to sustain.
Templar's Channeled focus is better if the nightblade is having issues light attacking (although rare these conditions do exist).
Templar gets 4800 magicka back over 20 seconds
Nightblade gets 4270 and an additional 106 for each light attack.
So a nightblade CAN have better sustain. But Channeled comes with so many other benefits it really is a better skill overall
Nightblade also gets pretty cheap casts, a regen passive, and a free cast every 5 light attacks (which helps a ton with sustain on its own).
All that combined with Siphoning gives superior sustain. I'd honestly say the free cast every 5 light attacks is the biggest part of their sustain.
Nightblade no longer has cheap casts* But Templar does. 4% to everything
Channeled is a better skill as it comes with more passives and buffs attached too it which allows for a very high uptime of major resistance buffs.
As for the sustain element of the skill they are both pretty close contenders.
Will is not a free cast. Not entirely at least. From a PvP perspective you typically get 2 wills off per cast, sometimes 3 if you are in control of the fight more and 4 if you zerg.
But lets go with 2 wills per cast. The skill costs 2700 magicka and since we get to actively use it twice than we can divide that to say it's costing 1350 every time you fire the will. You simply payed the cost upfront. This isn't too outstanding and the cost when looked at this way is a lot like the cost of casting burning embers (Which is a good burst heal after the time it takes to weave in 5 light attacks).
... Yikes I'm turning into Gilliam/Kena
Sustain isn't DPS. Nightblade does more damage than a Templar that is simply how the game is built. In an endgame PvE environment sustain barely matters since you have a group.
Nightblade does more damage cuz Assassins Will has a weird spell damage co-efficient thingy (thats what Gilliam told me). Basically it scales with stats well so does a lot of damage. If you make Assassin's Will hit for as much Purifying Light hits for then their DPS numbers look more similar.
Sorc has always sucked since their sustain skill IS A DPS LOSS (lol) in PvE environments and is almost purely suited to PvP or mechanically heavy fights in PvE. You can put it on your overload bar in PvE and use it if the boss becomes immune to damage for a second but who has overload slotted in PvE anyways.Edited by NyassaV on September 6, 2018 7:57PMFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Old siphoning Attacks gave resources up front. It’s relevant because they were both changed at the same time in zos’s misguided efforts to change sustain. They gave DE a .2 second extra cast time which was also unnecessary.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
|| CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
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If templar had better sustain, its DPS would be almost as high as NB (NB would still be overall set up better though). After Morrowind, sustain is the biggest part of DPS. That's also why Sorc has some of the lowest DPS (worst sustain).Aside from the idea of investment the old morphs gave magic and stam back at the cost of a bit of magicka and the other was a pure health stealing morph with decreased weapon and spell damage.
I much prefered the old version as it helped in PvP and enabled sap tanking.Does it really matter all that much? I mean, nightblades already have the best sustain in the game. Maintaining either morph uptime won't really take such a bite into their resources that it hampers their ability to sustain.
Templar's Channeled focus is better if the nightblade is having issues light attacking (although rare these conditions do exist).
Templar gets 4800 magicka back over 20 seconds
Nightblade gets 4270 and an additional 106 for each light attack.
So a nightblade CAN have better sustain. But Channeled comes with so many other benefits it really is a better skill overall
Nightblade also gets pretty cheap casts, a regen passive, and a free cast every 5 light attacks (which helps a ton with sustain on its own).
All that combined with Siphoning gives superior sustain. I'd honestly say the free cast every 5 light attacks is the biggest part of their sustain.
Nightblade no longer has cheap casts* But Templar does. 4% to everything
Channeled is a better skill as it comes with more passives and buffs attached too it which allows for a very high uptime of major resistance buffs.
As for the sustain element of the skill they are both pretty close contenders.
Will is not a free cast. Not entirely at least. From a PvP perspective you typically get 2 wills off per cast, sometimes 3 if you are in control of the fight more and 4 if you zerg.
But lets go with 2 wills per cast. The skill costs 2700 magicka and since we get to actively use it twice than we can divide that to say it's costing 1350 every time you fire the will. You simply payed the cost upfront. This isn't too outstanding and the cost when looked at this way is a lot like the cost of casting burning embers (Which is a good burst heal after the time it takes to weave in 5 light attacks).
... Yikes I'm turning into Gilliam/Kena
Sustain isn't DPS. Nightblade does more damage than a Templar that is simply how the game is built. In an endgame PvE environment sustain barely matters since you have a group.
Nightblade does more damage cuz Assassins Will has a weird spell damage co-efficient thingy (thats what Gilliam told me). Basically it scales with stats well so does a lot of damage. If you make Assassin's Will hit for as much Purifying Light hits for then their DPS numbers look more similar.
Sorc has always sucked since their sustain skill IS A DPS LOSS (lol) in PvE environments and is almost purely suited to PvP or mechanically heavy fights in PvE. You can put it on your overload bar in PvE and use it if the boss becomes immune to damage for a second but who has overload slotted in PvE anyways.
Sustain is DPS. The more heavy attacks you do due to lack of sustain, the lower your DPS ends up being. At the higher end of PvE, each heavy attack turns into a pretty decent DPS loss.
Light attack rotations are so powerful that the less heavy attacks you have to do, the more DPS you do.
Therefore, if your class innately has higher sustain, it innately has higher DPS.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake2 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
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If templar had better sustain, its DPS would be almost as high as NB (NB would still be overall set up better though). After Morrowind, sustain is the biggest part of DPS. That's also why Sorc has some of the lowest DPS (worst sustain).Aside from the idea of investment the old morphs gave magic and stam back at the cost of a bit of magicka and the other was a pure health stealing morph with decreased weapon and spell damage.
I much prefered the old version as it helped in PvP and enabled sap tanking.Does it really matter all that much? I mean, nightblades already have the best sustain in the game. Maintaining either morph uptime won't really take such a bite into their resources that it hampers their ability to sustain.
Templar's Channeled focus is better if the nightblade is having issues light attacking (although rare these conditions do exist).
Templar gets 4800 magicka back over 20 seconds
Nightblade gets 4270 and an additional 106 for each light attack.
So a nightblade CAN have better sustain. But Channeled comes with so many other benefits it really is a better skill overall
Nightblade also gets pretty cheap casts, a regen passive, and a free cast every 5 light attacks (which helps a ton with sustain on its own).
All that combined with Siphoning gives superior sustain. I'd honestly say the free cast every 5 light attacks is the biggest part of their sustain.
Nightblade no longer has cheap casts* But Templar does. 4% to everything
Channeled is a better skill as it comes with more passives and buffs attached too it which allows for a very high uptime of major resistance buffs.
As for the sustain element of the skill they are both pretty close contenders.
Will is not a free cast. Not entirely at least. From a PvP perspective you typically get 2 wills off per cast, sometimes 3 if you are in control of the fight more and 4 if you zerg.
But lets go with 2 wills per cast. The skill costs 2700 magicka and since we get to actively use it twice than we can divide that to say it's costing 1350 every time you fire the will. You simply payed the cost upfront. This isn't too outstanding and the cost when looked at this way is a lot like the cost of casting burning embers (Which is a good burst heal after the time it takes to weave in 5 light attacks).
... Yikes I'm turning into Gilliam/Kena
Sustain isn't DPS. Nightblade does more damage than a Templar that is simply how the game is built. In an endgame PvE environment sustain barely matters since you have a group.
Nightblade does more damage cuz Assassins Will has a weird spell damage co-efficient thingy (thats what Gilliam told me). Basically it scales with stats well so does a lot of damage. If you make Assassin's Will hit for as much Purifying Light hits for then their DPS numbers look more similar.
Sorc has always sucked since their sustain skill IS A DPS LOSS (lol) in PvE environments and is almost purely suited to PvP or mechanically heavy fights in PvE. You can put it on your overload bar in PvE and use it if the boss becomes immune to damage for a second but who has overload slotted in PvE anyways.
Sustain is DPS. The more heavy attacks you do due to lack of sustain, the lower your DPS ends up being. At the higher end of PvE, each heavy attack turns into a pretty decent DPS loss.
Light attack rotations are so powerful that the less heavy attacks you have to do, the more DPS you do.
Therefore, if your class innately has higher sustain, it innately has higher DPS.
We've past the point where sustain is a large issue in endgame PvE. Might be annoying in vet dungeons though. Often times timing heavy attacks can really help. If the boss gets a resistance buff or something of the sort then slow down and do some heavy attacks. Only time you should hit sustain issues is in vMA or dummy parsing. Otherwise you need to ask your group whats going on.Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
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If templar had better sustain, its DPS would be almost as high as NB (NB would still be overall set up better though). After Morrowind, sustain is the biggest part of DPS. That's also why Sorc has some of the lowest DPS (worst sustain).Aside from the idea of investment the old morphs gave magic and stam back at the cost of a bit of magicka and the other was a pure health stealing morph with decreased weapon and spell damage.
I much prefered the old version as it helped in PvP and enabled sap tanking.Does it really matter all that much? I mean, nightblades already have the best sustain in the game. Maintaining either morph uptime won't really take such a bite into their resources that it hampers their ability to sustain.
Templar's Channeled focus is better if the nightblade is having issues light attacking (although rare these conditions do exist).
Templar gets 4800 magicka back over 20 seconds
Nightblade gets 4270 and an additional 106 for each light attack.
So a nightblade CAN have better sustain. But Channeled comes with so many other benefits it really is a better skill overall
Nightblade also gets pretty cheap casts, a regen passive, and a free cast every 5 light attacks (which helps a ton with sustain on its own).
All that combined with Siphoning gives superior sustain. I'd honestly say the free cast every 5 light attacks is the biggest part of their sustain.
Nightblade no longer has cheap casts* But Templar does. 4% to everything
Channeled is a better skill as it comes with more passives and buffs attached too it which allows for a very high uptime of major resistance buffs.
As for the sustain element of the skill they are both pretty close contenders.
Will is not a free cast. Not entirely at least. From a PvP perspective you typically get 2 wills off per cast, sometimes 3 if you are in control of the fight more and 4 if you zerg.
But lets go with 2 wills per cast. The skill costs 2700 magicka and since we get to actively use it twice than we can divide that to say it's costing 1350 every time you fire the will. You simply payed the cost upfront. This isn't too outstanding and the cost when looked at this way is a lot like the cost of casting burning embers (Which is a good burst heal after the time it takes to weave in 5 light attacks).
... Yikes I'm turning into Gilliam/Kena
Sustain isn't DPS. Nightblade does more damage than a Templar that is simply how the game is built. In an endgame PvE environment sustain barely matters since you have a group.
Nightblade does more damage cuz Assassins Will has a weird spell damage co-efficient thingy (thats what Gilliam told me). Basically it scales with stats well so does a lot of damage. If you make Assassin's Will hit for as much Purifying Light hits for then their DPS numbers look more similar.
Sorc has always sucked since their sustain skill IS A DPS LOSS (lol) in PvE environments and is almost purely suited to PvP or mechanically heavy fights in PvE. You can put it on your overload bar in PvE and use it if the boss becomes immune to damage for a second but who has overload slotted in PvE anyways.
Sustain is DPS. The more heavy attacks you do due to lack of sustain, the lower your DPS ends up being. At the higher end of PvE, each heavy attack turns into a pretty decent DPS loss.
Light attack rotations are so powerful that the less heavy attacks you have to do, the more DPS you do.
Therefore, if your class innately has higher sustain, it innately has higher DPS.
We've past the point where sustain is a large issue in endgame PvE. Might be annoying in vet dungeons though. Often times timing heavy attacks can really help. If the boss gets a resistance buff or something of the sort then slow down and do some heavy attacks. Only time you should hit sustain issues is in vMA or dummy parsing. Otherwise you need to ask your group whats going on.
Even with healer support, sustain for Sorcs in particular can be very difficult.
Just because you have a healer, doesn't mean you won't ever run dry.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake2
