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Advice needed from experienced Magblade dd's

Silent99
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Hi :)
So I've been playing a magicka nighblade for a few weeks now and I'm loving it! However I'm not very good at it but I'm looking to improve which is why, i am here :p

Firstly here's some of my character info :

Race : High Elf
CP lvl: 396
Armour and Skill bar setup:
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I do parses regularly on the 3mil dummy and i know that my rotation plus weaving is far from perfect.

Heres an image of a recent parse i did (self buffed with elemental drain):
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Heres an image of a dps test on the first boss of vWGT with a really good group):
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I assume the vMA staff would help a bit, ive only ran vMA once and got the bow so i guess i have to go and try it again. :/
I also need to work on my rotation and weaving.

Other than the 3 above factors, im not show of any other ways to improve....(if there are any)
Any advice on how i could improve would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance! :)
Silent
  • Berenhir
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    You hit 86 light attacks in 150 seconds. The closer your number of LA hits comes to the duration of the fight in seconds, the better your weaving is.

    I suggest installing LA helper to check your average weaving speed, grim focus counter to keep track of your will procs and a buff tracker/action duration reminder to keep track of your buffs as the numbers of hits of your ground AoEs seems a bit off.

    You want a fire staff on your back bar. Fire enchant. Front bar fire staff probably an absorb magicka enchantment (sustain) or a shock glyph.

    I would suggest to train your rotation without psijic skill and path, just buff with merciless and siphoning and debuff with ele drain. Keep cripple and blockade up and try to hit as many light attacks and shoot as many bows as possible.
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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    I agree with the above. Never used the LA addon, but grim focus counter is nice. Two most obvious things I see right off the bat is that your number of LAs and bow procs are both on the low end. A reasonable benchmark is about .9 LAs per second and a bow proc about every 6 seconds. You aren’t way off, but it definitely needs work.

    I would also echo the fire staff back bar, but lighting will work until you can get your VMA. I wouldnt necessarily go buy a second MS fire staff (although you certainly could and then you would have an extra for a prismatic enchant once the VMA drops). But whatever you do, it’s not the difference between 20 and 50k. Right now your issue is about 80% rotation and 20% CP.

    Another thing that really impacts a mageblade DPS is swap cancelling. Assuming you are doing a dynamic rotation, you should be bar swapping a lot. If you wait for the animation to finish before swapping, you will lose almost 1 GCD (global cooldown) per swap. If you swap cancel effectively, you lose nothing when you swap.

    Other things to double check is that your potions and ele drain are up 100%. Anything less than 100% is not very good.

    Zaan is also a bit more DPS, but skoria is honestly better for most content. You might see a 1-2k DPS hump on a dummy.

    Keep at it. I have been playing since beta and jumped on the mageblade train about 9-10 months ago. It was definitely longer than a week before I felt like I was doing mora DPS than my other specs.
    Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on September 4, 2018 11:39PM
  • Splattercat_83
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    I will echo what everyone here has told you. The two highest damage abilities on your parse in combat metrics should be your light attacks and assassins will. When you start getting those weaves nice and tight, and getting those bar swap animations smooth and fast you will be getting those bow procs off more often and faster. They hit like a truck and your dps will skyrocket.

    Another thing I might mention that I didn't see anyone state above is to keep an eye on your ultimates. As soon as your soul harvest is up, you need to use it as soon as possible. In a dummy parse you can just park right up on the dummy, but in an actual trial you will need to start moving in when you are about 60 to 65 ultimate (IF mechanics allow you to) so when you switch over to that bar it will be ready to use. Make sure that your dots have just been refreshed before you use it tho, to squeeze ever bit of damage out of the damage amp soul harvest gives you for 6 seconds. The more you get used to using soul harvest and the faster you get at it, the more soul harvests you will use which will amp your light attacks, bows, dots , and your executes. This especially helps buff you and your raid group too, if you happen to be using a Master Architect setup.

    What I did was start out slow and practice on a dummy. Get out of soul harvest range and start going ham on the dummy, practice watching your ult regeneration and moving and, using your ult, and getting back out. Some fights require you to stay at range (The mage in Atherian Archive) and other mobs you need to be aware of the mechanic phases like the final boss in Vet Faulk Reath Hold (he has an aoe that if your are close and two hit you, hes gonna fold you up like a lawn chair). Once you get comfortable with that, start trying to do it while running dugeons. Then when you feel comfortable doing that start doing it in maelstrom, or on world bosses where its a little more chaotic.

    Try your best for a dynamic rotation meaning there ins't a a set rotation. There is in the first 8 to 10 seconds of a fight, but after that your dots aren't going to line up and you need to keep them down and track them separately. You are on PC so you have the luxury of the trackers and light attack counters to aid you, whereas I play on console and don't have that. I have some friends that are able to do it by using the crippling grasp tracker on xbox and they do it very well, even in trial. A couple of my other friends who are diehard raiders (Im semi-sweaty, but due to IRL responsabilites I don't have the time to put in the work on here) have watched the likes of LZH, and Liko and memorized their rotations by each individual skill. One friend learned Liko's and I believehe said it was about 42 odd ability casts before it finally looped around and started over again lol. He parses around the 57k mark. I highly recommend using your skill trackers and doing a dynamic rotation. If not, here is my static 3 bow rotation. It hits for less, but it will get the job done. Good luck! Let me know how you progress!

  • Silent99
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    Thanks all for the great advice.
    Berenhir wrote: »
    You hit 86 light attacks in 150 seconds. The closer your number of LA hits comes to the duration of the fight in seconds, the better your weaving is.

    I suggest installing LA helper to check your average weaving speed, grim focus counter to keep track of your will procs and a buff tracker/action duration reminder to keep track of your buffs as the numbers of hits of your ground AoEs seems a bit off.

    Got LA helper and it has been amazing. Turns out i was weaving incorrectly. I was light attacking to animation cancel the ability instead of the other way around, this led to me to double click LA sometimes which wasted a bit of time. After fixing this ive noticed an immediate, albeit small improvement in dps(doing about a consistent 23-24k dps with trash pots) but its still progress :p
    A reasonable benchmark is about .9 LAs per second and a bow proc about every 6 seconds.
    I would also echo the fire staff back bar, but lighting will work until you can get your VMA. I wouldnt necessarily go buy a second MS fire staff (although you certainly could and then you would have an extra for a prismatic enchant once the VMA drops). But whatever you do, it’s not the difference between 20 and 50k. Right now your issue is about 80% rotation and 20% CP.

    Currently im doing about 1000-1300ms between each light attack (with 250ms latency)
    i will hold off on replacing the lightning staff since i plan on running vMA weekly until i get the inferno staff. Its as you said, the biggest problem lies in my rotation rather than my equipment.
    Btw i would assume that the vMA staff will increase the max damage my LA hit for since its currently low-ish (7k damage max)
    Another thing I might mention that I didn't see anyone state above is to keep an eye on your ultimates. As soon as your soul harvest is up, you need to use it as soon as possible. In a dummy parse you can just park right up on the dummy, but in an actual trial you will need to start moving in when you are about 60 to 65 ultimate (IF mechanics allow you to) so when you switch over to that bar it will be ready to use. Make sure that your dots have just been refreshed before you use it tho, to squeeze ever bit of damage out of the damage amp soul harvest gives you for 6 seconds. The more you get used to using soul harvest and the faster you get at it, the more soul harvests you will use which will amp your light attacks, bows, dots , and your executes. This especially helps buff you and your raid group too, if you happen to be using a Master Architect setup.

    I will try this, previously i was just waiting for my destruction ult to charge up before using it. I only used soul harvest towords the end when the dummy was under 20%. Would the most optimal way be, to use destruction staff ult at the start then use soul harvest whenever its ready?
  • Splattercat_83
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    Silent99 wrote: »
    Thanks all for the great advice.
    Berenhir wrote: »
    You hit 86 light attacks in 150 seconds. The closer your number of LA hits comes to the duration of the fight in seconds, the better your weaving is.

    I suggest installing LA helper to check your average weaving speed, grim focus counter to keep track of your will procs and a buff tracker/action duration reminder to keep track of your buffs as the numbers of hits of your ground AoEs seems a bit off.

    Got LA helper and it has been amazing. Turns out i was weaving incorrectly. I was light attacking to animation cancel the ability instead of the other way around, this led to me to double click LA sometimes which wasted a bit of time. After fixing this ive noticed an immediate, albeit small improvement in dps(doing about a consistent 23-24k dps with trash pots) but its still progress :p
    A reasonable benchmark is about .9 LAs per second and a bow proc about every 6 seconds.
    I would also echo the fire staff back bar, but lighting will work until you can get your VMA. I wouldnt necessarily go buy a second MS fire staff (although you certainly could and then you would have an extra for a prismatic enchant once the VMA drops). But whatever you do, it’s not the difference between 20 and 50k. Right now your issue is about 80% rotation and 20% CP.

    Currently im doing about 1000-1300ms between each light attack (with 250ms latency)
    i will hold off on replacing the lightning staff since i plan on running vMA weekly until i get the inferno staff. Its as you said, the biggest problem lies in my rotation rather than my equipment.
    Btw i would assume that the vMA staff will increase the max damage my LA hit for since its currently low-ish (7k damage max)
    Another thing I might mention that I didn't see anyone state above is to keep an eye on your ultimates. As soon as your soul harvest is up, you need to use it as soon as possible. In a dummy parse you can just park right up on the dummy, but in an actual trial you will need to start moving in when you are about 60 to 65 ultimate (IF mechanics allow you to) so when you switch over to that bar it will be ready to use. Make sure that your dots have just been refreshed before you use it tho, to squeeze ever bit of damage out of the damage amp soul harvest gives you for 6 seconds. The more you get used to using soul harvest and the faster you get at it, the more soul harvests you will use which will amp your light attacks, bows, dots , and your executes. This especially helps buff you and your raid group too, if you happen to be using a Master Architect setup.

    I will try this, previously i was just waiting for my destruction ult to charge up before using it. I only used soul harvest towords the end when the dummy was under 20%. Would the most optimal way be, to use destruction staff ult at the start then use soul harvest whenever its ready?

    Yes for a parse make sure you got a destro ultimate up and use it at the start. Every ultimate after that should be a soul harvest. Once you put in a few hours playing like that you will get a feel for when your soul harvest should be up and it wont be that hard to track. Also make sure that you start replacing your funnel health/swallow soul/force pulse/ elemental weapon (whatever spammable you use) with impale at 25% health. I have been dropping path as well during execute and only keeping up blockade. I have been seeing really good results lately in group parses and solo parses as well. Might want to give that a try as well.
    Edited by Splattercat_83 on September 6, 2018 2:51AM
  • erlewine
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    another trick to cast channeled acceleration right before engage, then swap it out with inner focus. itll last for like 60% of a 3mil parse
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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    erlewine wrote: »
    another trick to cast channeled acceleration right before engage, then swap it out with inner focus. itll last for like 60% of a 3mil parse

    Starting to get into cheese strats, but I would be lying if I said I hadnt done it once or twice. Haha
  • Silent99
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    Thanks to all the advice im seeing some really good progress.
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    Edited by Silent99 on September 7, 2018 12:46AM
  • getemshauna
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    Silent99 wrote: »
    Thanks to all the advice im seeing some really good progress.
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    Quick advice, never use Valkyn Skoria. If you can't be melee for 2 Zaan piece, 1 piece Slimecraw and 1 Piece Zaan/Iceheart will grant greatest result. Skoria offers useless HP bonus for 1 piece, and proc ratio isn't very good, especially after Twisting Path nerf where we are currently prioritazing Bow proc over it. Also execute phase wants you to use Blockade then spam impale, what again makes Skoria totally unreliable, since your two others dots are not running anymore. Just don't use it.
    Edited by getemshauna on September 7, 2018 12:26PM
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  • Septimus_Magna
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    Without vMA inferno staff you can get around 7-8k dps on your light attacks I think.
    That also means you're getting more Merciless procs which increases dps a lot.

    Focus on getting at least two Merciless procs for each time you cast the buff, thats where most magblade dps comes from.

    You can use Merciless Focus Counter add-on to track the light attack stacks. This helps to see how many light attacks you miss, for each skill you weave it should increase the count.

    It also helps to track your DoTs with an add-on like Srendarr or Action Duration Reminder.
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  • Silent99
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    So i don't mean to revive a dead thread but i think its more convenient if i post here than to make a new one.

    The advice previously was really helpful and now I'm back again seeking to improve :)

    So first of, here is the setup i was using on my dummy parse:
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    Here is one of my best recent self-buffed parses:
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    My berserk up-time was kinda low cause i dropped it a bit too early but my crit luck in execute made up for this.
    So does anyone know of a way to improve on this?

    Also is it possible that latency is the limiting factor on my dps, since im located quite far from the server so i play with a consistent 250-300 ping. (I really do not hope this is the case)

    Any advice on how i could improve would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks in advance! :)
    Silent
  • ZeroXFF
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    At this point you can probably teach others. The only thing I see that could give you 1-3k more DPS is switching out Mother's Sorrow for Spell Strategist.
  • Silent99
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    Im not complaining about my dps or anything , its just that there are more exp players out there and i would like to know how to improve.

    For example there is videos on youtube of people effortlessly pulling 10k dps more with similar setups so clearly they are doing something right and its just a case of 'git gud' on my part (unless its because of my latency issue).
  • Iskiab
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    Work on your internet connection. Make sure your PC is hard wired to the router. Honestly this is the most important thing for light attack weaving, packet loss will kill your dps.
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