What do you say about fake tanks? What about heals?

ruikkarikun · September 2018

Simple question. 780 cp+, both dd is magicka and you heal. You don't use elemental drain.

Why?

I get those too much in vet dungeons. Are you insane guys?

Lichbourne90 · September 2018

Your gonna be real disappointed when my stamden I'm leveling undaunted on ques with u as healer lmao

AlnilamE · September 2018

Because when you load into a random dungeon, people tend to run off before you can add another skill to your bar. So I use orbs instead. Works for magicka nad stamina DDs.

If that's still not enough, then they can say something and I'll slot Ele Drain provided I have enough time between fights.

But since you don't know group composition before you join a group, it may end up being a useless skill on your bar.

kathandira · September 2018

ruikkarikun wrote: »

Simple question. 780 cp+, both dd is magicka and you heal. You don't use elemental drain.

Why?

I get those too much in vet dungeons. Are you insane guys?

I use this instead.

http://esoacademy.com/skills/radiant-aura/

For the Weakness to Elements, I also use that, but as: http://esoacademy.com/skills/elemental-susceptibility/ instead. This combo offers more buffs, and I can keep the Weakness to Elements buff up the entire fight with Ritual of Retribution + Heavy Attacks from my Resto Staff.

ruikkarikun · September 2018

And when I ask please slot ele drain guess what? No reaction. GL ELETIST

Tryxus · September 2018

Did he at least have the decency to keep you alive?

CyberSkooma · September 2018

I meaaaan, you don't need ele drain

Silver_Strider · September 2018

No, we're just under the assumption that all magic DPS are NB sustain gods that don't require E-Drain in dungeons.

Ok, but really, sometimes when you get those rare godly DPS groups and can focus more on DPSing as a healer than actually healing, you tend to tunnel vision and forget to keep some group buffs up. Can't speak for those that don't bother with it at all but that's what happens in my case.

AhPook_Is_Here · September 2018

Fake tanks can be annoying, Fake heals doesn't matter, I'd rather DK tank with 3 M-NB dps-healing, than have only 2 M-NBs and some templar or sorc dead-weight on heals.

VaranisArano · September 2018

A basic healer heals. They keep the group alive with heals over time and rescue heals. They also stay alive. Physician, heal thyself and all that.

A good healer heals the group, stays alive, buffs the group, helps the group sustain, debuffs the boss, does damage on the boss, and wears gear that aids with healing or buffing the group, while following mechanics.

Most healers who PUG, in reality, very quickly learn to adapt to DDs who stand in stupid, fake tanks who cant be bothered to hold boss aggro, and groups where the healer is contributing as much if not more DPS than the DDs.

So if you want a good healer who's specced to be a good healer and is assured they can be a good healer without having to cover for a fake tank or low DPS DDs, you probably want to ask for a healer from your guildmates.

ruikkarikun · September 2018

Tryxus wrote: »

Did he at least have the decency to keep you alive?

No.

And guys don't troll me. I did alot dungeons with normal heal who used orbs and ele drain, those runs was fast, clear.

Other is mess. Again reason?

CyberSkooma · September 2018

ruikkarikun wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Did he at least have the decency to keep you alive?

No.

And guys don't troll me. I did alot dungeons with normal heal who used orbs and ele drain, those runs was fast, clear.

Other is mess. Again reason?

The reason is because ele drain is not necessary. Sure, it helps. But not necessary.

Starlock · September 2018

Every other player should do exactly what I want them to and conform precisely to my expectations. Because... reasons.

Pardon, but that's kinda what this seems to boil down to from my perspective. Different players have different expectations, and it's inevitable that they will fail to meet those expectations. If you as a player insist on ability X being used, it's important to recognize that you can't control what other people do. If you really want ability X to be used, (1) slot it yourself, (2) play with a friend or guild mate who regularly uses ability X or doesn't mind slotting it, (3) politely ask someone to slot it whilst understanding they are under no obligation to listen to you.

kathandira · September 2018

CyberSkooma wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Did he at least have the decency to keep you alive?

No.

And guys don't troll me. I did alot dungeons with normal heal who used orbs and ele drain, those runs was fast, clear.

Other is mess. Again reason?

The reason is because ele drain is not necessary.

Can also be using Radiant Aura rather than Elemental Drain. Same effect, different spell.

ruikkarikun · September 2018

Silver_Strider wrote: »

No, we're just under the assumption that all magic DPS are NB sustain gods that don't require E-Drain in dungeons.

Ok, but really, sometimes when you get those rare godly DPS groups and can focus more on DPSing as a healer than actually healing, you tend to tunnel vision and forget to keep some group buffs up. Can't speak for those that don't bother with it at all but that's what happens in my case.

All magicka dd are NBS??
My NB friend always comlain about elemental drain.

I just check here
https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-templar-healer-build-pve/

and here

https://youtu.be/4gnxYuwIFJw?t=9m44s
What do you all say?

ruikkarikun · September 2018

kathandira wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Did he at least have the decency to keep you alive?

No.

And guys don't troll me. I did alot dungeons with normal heal who used orbs and ele drain, those runs was fast, clear.

Other is mess. Again reason?

The reason is because ele drain is not necessary.

Can also be using Radiant Aura rather than Elemental Drain. Same effect, different spell.

He DIDN'T USE AURA. He just spam Luminous shards.

Pink_Violinz · September 2018

If the healer is fake, then same rules apply as if it was a tank. Vote kick, and if it fails, leave.

But not using ele? It was a long time before anyone told me I should use it on my healer. I find it understandable if someone doesn't think about using a destro on their healer. Not to mention it's not nearly as vital if the DDs are stamina, and a half decent magicka DD can go without it on a non-dlc vet dungeon.

Also if there is a healer and you're dying the healer might just be inexperienced. Starting out, at least in my experience, was really rough. Most of the healing sets are from dungeons and trials, so getting started is an uphill battle.

CyberSkooma · September 2018

Elemental drain isn't necessary. I'm confused where you want this conversation to go. What are you expecting people to say?

Strider__Roshin · September 2018

I had someone that was CP 29 queue as a tank on a vet dungeon yesterday that died against a normal add. I'm not kidding.

What was my response? I laughed and typed don't worry your role is not needed. We'll carry you. We even did Hard Mode for the guy.

I'm fine with fake tanks so long as it isn't a vet DLC dungeon. And I have the same opinion about healers. You can call me an elitist, but this elitist doesn't mind carrying weak players through Hard Mode either.

CyberSkooma · September 2018

Daus wrote: »

I had someone that was CP 29 queue as a tank on a vet dungeon yesterday that died against a normal add. I'm not kidding.

What was my response? I laughed and typed don't worry your role is not needed. We'll carry you. We even did Hard Mode for the guy.

I'm fine with fake tanks so long as it isn't a vet DLC dungeon. And I have the same opinion about healers. You can call me an elitist, but this elitist doesn't mind carrying weak players through Hard Mode either.

I never mind carrying people (or at least trying). The last thing they need is other players being rude to them about how they're playing, when chances are they already know they're struggling. We have to help players, not hate on them.

kathandira · September 2018

ruikkarikun wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Did he at least have the decency to keep you alive?

No.

And guys don't troll me. I did alot dungeons with normal heal who used orbs and ele drain, those runs was fast, clear.

Other is mess. Again reason?

The reason is because ele drain is not necessary.

Can also be using Radiant Aura rather than Elemental Drain. Same effect, different spell.

He DIDN'T USE AURA. He just spam Luminous shards.

Definitely not ideal, but at least it something, lol. He could be like me while I was learning, and not do anything but throw heals.

In the end, the best way to get what you want, is to ask. If I wasn't using any resource returning abilities, and a DPS or Tank asked that I did, I would simply ask them to wait a sec so I can swap out something I'm not using for it.

Most if not all issues in the game can be resolved via communication. Though I know there are times where simply asking something of someone somehow triggers them into a fit of ego driven rage. But I'd like to think that is the minority of the time.

ruikkarikun · September 2018

I know it's pugs problem. But still he didn't heal good, did't use ele drain even after our ask. I just had a bad day ok.

CyberSkooma · September 2018

Join a guild (;

phileunderx2 · September 2018

I slot and use ele drain and I still have dd's ask me to use it. Lol

ruikkarikun · September 2018

CyberSkooma wrote: »

Join a guild (;

I'm in 5 guild (each ~450). When I write LFM /*post here any dung etc*/ very rarely have response. This is like when you don't have static group or close friends in eso. Or maybe you know EU PC guild which have alot responses? xD

kathandira · September 2018

ruikkarikun wrote: »

I know it's pugs problem. But still he didn't heal good, did't use ele drain even after our ask. I just had a bad day ok.

Fair enough. You did all you could. You asked. There are those who simply aren't interested, or just refuse to put any research into the better ways to play the game, and how to benefit their group using the tools they have at their disposal.

Hopefully you and I will get grouped together one day since I do use the tools you need to perform at your best. Then we can revel in the glory of kicking some butt!

= )

AhPook_Is_Here · September 2018

ruikkarikun wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

Join a guild (;

I'm in 5 guild (each ~450). When I write LFM /*post here any dung etc*/ very rarely have response. This is like when you don't have static group or close friends in eso. Or maybe you know EU PC guild which have alot responses? xD

DDs really need to prove themselves even inside guilds. Post your fat parses and pound your chest. Let them know how good you are and then solicit.

CyberSkooma · September 2018

ruikkarikun wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

Join a guild (;

I'm in 5 guild (each ~450). When I write LFM /*post here any dung etc*/ very rarely have response. This is like when you don't have static group or close friends in eso. Or maybe you know EU PC guild which have alot responses? xD

I play on PCNA so no, I don't. That being said it definitely sounds like you need a new guild. Try to find a smaller one but with dedicated players. Those are the best kind. (20-100 players or so)

Agenericname · September 2018

ruikkarikun wrote: »

I get those too much in vet dungeons. Are you insane guys?

I dont necessarily think that not using ele drain makes someone a "fake" healer and certainly doesnt qualify them as insane.

I do the same thing I do when I encounter a "fake" tank or low DPS DD, adapt or move on. In most cases, adapt.

kathandira · September 2018

Agenericname wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

I get those too much in vet dungeons. Are you insane guys?

I dont necessarily think that not using ele drain makes someone a "fake" healer and certainly doesnt qualify them as insane.

I do the same thing I do when I encounter a "fake" tank or low DPS DD, adapt or move on. In most cases, adapt.

Indeed. I think a "fake healer" is someone who uses Blood Altar, then proceeds to DPS the entire fight, only maintaining Blood Altar.

If they are throwing out actual heals, they are a real healer. Maybe not a great healer, but a real one at the least.

VirtualElizabeth · September 2018

ruikkarikun wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

No, we're just under the assumption that all magic DPS are NB sustain gods that don't require E-Drain in dungeons.

Ok, but really, sometimes when you get those rare godly DPS groups and can focus more on DPSing as a healer than actually healing, you tend to tunnel vision and forget to keep some group buffs up. Can't speak for those that don't bother with it at all but that's what happens in my case.

All magicka dd are NBS??
My NB friend always comlain about elemental drain.

I just check here
https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-templar-healer-build-pve/

and here

https://youtu.be/4gnxYuwIFJw?t=9m44s
What do you all say?

I had that build almost exactly for years - what happens? I get yelled at for not using Orbs. So guess what slot got sacrificed? Ele drain.