Feedback: Can we buff Sorcs for a change?

Valrien · September 2018

Please?

...pretty please?

Maybe bring back Streak and Frags? >_>

Daedric_NB_187 · September 2018

Sits patiently in my cellar waiting for the salt storm to arrive.

max_only · September 2018

Just a light sprinkle.

I wish I could be more constructive op, you got in on the waning moon of Sorcerers supposedly. The number crunchers will always put one class and then the other as BEST and all of last year it was Sorc. Now is the waxing moon of Nightblade supposedly (they have irrevocably destroyed my NB tank build but that’s personal). What comes around keeps coming around

Two years ago when I started pet Sorcerer was trash. Then Necropotence sorcs and dual wield magica and dk mages and then magnb was almost as good as a wannabe Sorc and now it’s stamNb and Stam everything else. It’s a cycle

Valrien · September 2018

max_only wrote: »

Just a light sprinkle.

I wish I could be more constructive op, you got in on the waning moon of Sorcerers supposedly. The number crunchers will always put one class and then the other as BEST and all of last year it was Sorc. Now is the waxing moon of Nightblade supposedly (they have irrevocably destroyed my NB tank build but that’s personal). What comes around keeps coming around Two years ago when I started pet Sorcerer was trash. Then Necropotence sorcs and dual wield magica and dk mages and then magnb was almost as good as a wannabe Sorc and now it’s stamNb and Stam everything else. It’s a cycle

I've been playing Sorc since early access. My first achievement on my Sorc was obtained on 4-6-14.

All these nerfs...they really wear on you

As soon as we get something nice it gets taken away...and usually given to Nightblades in some way.

Onefrkncrzypope · September 2018

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

qbit · September 2018

I would like to see frags cause splash damage but I only play PvE. Can’t imagine I’d ever be able to play PvP. I’m sure this splash damage would be way OP for PvP but I’m trying to solo the dungeons in PvE.

FrancisCrawford · September 2018

They'll just nerf magblades instead.

Valrien · September 2018

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

AhPook_Is_Here · September 2018

Maybe its time to get a unicorn mount finally because:

max_only · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Just a light sprinkle.

I wish I could be more constructive op, you got in on the waning moon of Sorcerers supposedly. The number crunchers will always put one class and then the other as BEST and all of last year it was Sorc. Now is the waxing moon of Nightblade supposedly (they have irrevocably destroyed my NB tank build but that’s personal). What comes around keeps coming around Two years ago when I started pet Sorcerer was trash. Then Necropotence sorcs and dual wield magica and dk mages and then magnb was almost as good as a wannabe Sorc and now it’s stamNb and Stam everything else. It’s a cycle

I've been playing Sorc since early access. My first achievement on my Sorc was obtained on 4-6-14.

All these nerfs...they really wear on you

As soon as we get something nice it gets taken away...and usually given to Nightblades in some way.

Must... breathe... deeply....LOL

When they make your Dark Exchange take from the same pool you are trying to restore I will be satisfied with the state of Sorcerer. Nightblades have been masochists for so long and then they whipped Siphoning Attacks out of our hands for no reason. No one said that skill was over performing. And then they go and hire someone who explained exactly why it was a terrible change: Gilliam. He did the math comparing live vs pts when this change was first floated. It is the one unforgivable curse for me personally.

I don’t know why I get my blood up in these threads. Nothing is wrong with Sorcerer. You aren’t mid 2017 trash any more and you spent a year being the only class that need apply for all roles and modes. You all had Sorc tanks with double shields, Sorc healers preferred because they can dps better than templars and still keep group alive with matriarch and of course nothing but Sorc dps for arenas and trials.

No catastrophe has befallen Sorc.

And no catastrophe has befallen NB in the end, no matter how unnecessary the change was to my personal defensive play style.

DuskMarine · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Please?

...pretty please?

Maybe bring back Streak and Frags? >_>

sorcs dont need buffed at all their fine where their at. maybe tweak the sustain a bit but they definitly dont need a buff. warden above all else needs buffed drastically thats what needs a buff cause warden blows as a class

DuskMarine · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

magsorcs one of the best dps in the game and probly holds as the best. people ive seen easily can pull very close to 60k self buffed. with wards dude sorcs are one of the best if not the best choice for dps in trials right now cause of mechanics being mitigated because of shields. every raid group im in unless the person likes another class is basically all sorcs for pve. and pvp i really dont need to get started on why their busted in there.

Jinchuu · September 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

sorcs dont need buffed at all their fine where their at. maybe tweak the sustain a bit but they definitly dont need a buff. warden above all else needs buffed drastically thats what needs a buff cause warden blows as a class

You're talking magden right?

DuskMarine · September 2018

Jinchuu wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

sorcs dont need buffed at all their fine where their at. maybe tweak the sustain a bit but they definitly dont need a buff. warden above all else needs buffed drastically thats what needs a buff cause warden blows as a class

You're talking magden right?

ive never seen a decent stamden in pve either pvp stamdens are god. but in pve the class needs buffed in general.

Onefrkncrzypope · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

But do you use dizzy though?
You have a double dipping undodagable execute. If you wanted to you could have three. You have predicable burst but you got burst that is virtually undodagable (purge blah blah yeah I know). You have cc options(rune, mines, atro, streak stupid pet negate) you have mobility(lightning form streak) and you can artificially almost triple your health with shields. You can equip damage oriented traits on your armor because of that. You have range and the ability to do extreme burst. Like dang zos knew Sorc had so many decent skills they gave you a third bar.

Mag wardens?
DK?
Magplars?

You are telling me you have less CC's than magplars and mag wardens? Less mobility than dks or magplars? More predicable burst than wardens or Stam dks? Like man they just made your cc dodgable. That is all.

Gap closers have been on a melee toons bar further back than the console drop. Swift is really the only issue I would concede issues

Valrien · September 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

magsorcs one of the best dps in the game and probly holds as the best. people ive seen easily can pull very close to 60k self buffed. with wards dude sorcs are one of the best if not the best choice for dps in trials right now cause of mechanics being mitigated because of shields. every raid group im in unless the person likes another class is basically all sorcs for pve. and pvp i really dont need to get started on why their busted in there.

Man, you're one of the biggest liars I've ever seen lol.

Do some research sometime? I've done mine.

60k? F*cking lol

Best DPS? Bigger lol. Check out FeaR Turbo sometime

Onefrkncrzypope · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

magsorcs one of the best dps in the game and probly holds as the best. people ive seen easily can pull very close to 60k self buffed. with wards dude sorcs are one of the best if not the best choice for dps in trials right now cause of mechanics being mitigated because of shields. every raid group im in unless the person likes another class is basically all sorcs for pve. and pvp i really dont need to get started on why their busted in there.

Man, you're one of the biggest liars I've ever seen lol.

Do some research sometime? I've done mine.

Maybe he is watching homestead videos?

Valrien · September 2018

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

But do you use dizzy though?
You have a double dipping undodagable execute. If you wanted to you could have three. You have predicable burst but you got burst that is virtually undodagable (purge blah blah yeah I know). You have cc options(rune, mines, atro, streak stupid pet negate) you have mobility(lightning form streak) and you can artificially almost triple your health with shields. You can equip damage oriented traits on your armor because of that. You have range and the ability to do extreme burst. Like dang zos knew Sorc had so many decent skills they gave you a third bar.

Mag wardens?
DK?
Magplars?

You are telling me you have less CC's than magplars and mag wardens? Less mobility than dks or magplars? More predicable burst than wardens or Stam dks? Like man they just made your cc dodgable. That is all.

Gap closers have been on a melee toons bar further back than the console drop. Swift is really the only issue I would concede issues

The execute is dodgeable, and the passive rarely procs. Curse is undodgeable that's the only part of the burst that is...and that alone isn't going to do much.

There's too much more wrong with this post to even be addressed, if I'm being quite honest

royo · September 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

magsorcs one of the best dps in the game and probly holds as the best. people ive seen easily can pull very close to 60k self buffed. with wards dude sorcs are one of the best if not the best choice for dps in trials right now cause of mechanics being mitigated because of shields. every raid group im in unless the person likes another class is basically all sorcs for pve. and pvp i really dont need to get started on why their busted in there.

No sorc is anywhere close to 60k self buffed on a 3m or 6m dummy.

Onefrkncrzypope · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

But do you use dizzy though?
You have a double dipping undodagable execute. If you wanted to you could have three. You have predicable burst but you got burst that is virtually undodagable (purge blah blah yeah I know). You have cc options(rune, mines, atro, streak stupid pet negate) you have mobility(lightning form streak) and you can artificially almost triple your health with shields. You can equip damage oriented traits on your armor because of that. You have range and the ability to do extreme burst. Like dang zos knew Sorc had so many decent skills they gave you a third bar.

Mag wardens?
DK?
Magplars?

You are telling me you have less CC's than magplars and mag wardens? Less mobility than dks or magplars? More predicable burst than wardens or Stam dks? Like man they just made your cc dodgable. That is all.

Gap closers have been on a melee toons bar further back than the console drop. Swift is really the only issue I would concede issues

The execute is dodgeable, and the passive rarely procs. Curse is undodgeable that's the only part of the burst that is...and that alone isn't going to do much.

There's too much more wrong with this post to even be addressed, if I'm being quite honest

Perceive what you want. Wrong about the first sentence excuse me. Could you answer my questions though? Do you have less than other classes? Or are you just frustrated that it got a little harder to kill some one? This isn't call of duty though zos is trying. All I said that you had option are they good? Meh but some classes have nothing in those categories

Valrien · September 2018

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

But do you use dizzy though?
You have a double dipping undodagable execute. If you wanted to you could have three. You have predicable burst but you got burst that is virtually undodagable (purge blah blah yeah I know). You have cc options(rune, mines, atro, streak stupid pet negate) you have mobility(lightning form streak) and you can artificially almost triple your health with shields. You can equip damage oriented traits on your armor because of that. You have range and the ability to do extreme burst. Like dang zos knew Sorc had so many decent skills they gave you a third bar.

Mag wardens?
DK?
Magplars?

You are telling me you have less CC's than magplars and mag wardens? Less mobility than dks or magplars? More predicable burst than wardens or Stam dks? Like man they just made your cc dodgable. That is all.

Gap closers have been on a melee toons bar further back than the console drop. Swift is really the only issue I would concede issues

The execute is dodgeable, and the passive rarely procs. Curse is undodgeable that's the only part of the burst that is...and that alone isn't going to do much.

There's too much more wrong with this post to even be addressed, if I'm being quite honest

Perceive what you want. Wrong about the first sentence excuse me. Could you answer my questions though? Do you have less than other classes? Or are you just frustrated that it got a little harder to kill some one? This isn't call of duty though zos is trying. All I said that you had option are they good? Meh but some classes have nothing in those categories

Why do other classes being trash excuse other classes being trash?

Why is this mentality okay?

ezio45 · September 2018

As a sorc I would like:

- Crystal frags to get its stun back and have its animation on the proc form made a little faster
- Liquid Lighting buffed by 10%
- Off balance to be un-nerfed
- Rune cage to be made a dot for added dps in trials and for heals with surge in pvp
- for blood magic to count with each tic of the above mentioned runecage
- Unholy knowledge to get buffed to 10%
- for bound agis and harden ward to count as a pet for rebate and expert summoner
- streak to not have increased cost for each one cast back to back and to remove stares
- overload heavy attack change to be a single target channeled attack
- daedric summoning ulti completely changed to something else
- dark deal / convert to be an instant cast with a delayed effect that also extends to the nearest ally
- empower ward to extent to the nearest ally
- crystal blast to be made into a stam morph
- lightning flood to be made into a stam morph
- defensive rune into a stam morph

-Ancient knowledge to only require a staff and not skill
-penetrating magic to give a fixed amount of penetration instead of a percent

also suggestions on what to make the new daedric summoning ulti

one morph applies a bubble shield reducing damage taken and applying buffs to all inside

second morph is a channeled forward 180 shield wall significantly reducing the damage of anything that passes thru it including siege, first using stam then mag and then health as each pool is depleted

DuskMarine · September 2018

royo wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

magsorcs one of the best dps in the game and probly holds as the best. people ive seen easily can pull very close to 60k self buffed. with wards dude sorcs are one of the best if not the best choice for dps in trials right now cause of mechanics being mitigated because of shields. every raid group im in unless the person likes another class is basically all sorcs for pve. and pvp i really dont need to get started on why their busted in there.

No sorc is anywhere close to 60k self buffed on a 3m or 6m dummy.

ive seen a couple parses around that number that people have gotten granted did i think they were macroed yea but then again theres alot of the best dps players who use macros and never get punished for it. but i have seen 60k or a couple 1000 or 2000 off from it before.

Anzriel · September 2018

We'll have to see what they do with the stuff from class representatives in upcoming patches. I'd have a hard time seeing them nerfing sorc again if they're going to try to bring it up to magblade in pve. For the people in this thread, no sorc is not completely useless by any means, but they could still use some work. "But muh class is worse off" is such a silly argument, you can fix/buff sorc to get it to feel/play better and ALSO buff/fix other classes, this isn't an either/or proposition.

DuskMarine · September 2018

Anzriel wrote: »

We'll have to see what they do with the stuff from class representatives in upcoming patches. I'd have a hard time seeing them nerfing sorc again if they're going to try to bring it up to magblade in pve. For the people in this thread, no sorc is not completely useless by any means, but they could still use some work. "But muh class is worse off" is such a silly argument, you can fix/buff sorc to get it to feel/play better and ALSO buff/fix other classes, this isn't an either/or proposition.

they just need to bring everything up to even scale practically at this point.

Valrien · September 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

royo wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

magsorcs one of the best dps in the game and probly holds as the best. people ive seen easily can pull very close to 60k self buffed. with wards dude sorcs are one of the best if not the best choice for dps in trials right now cause of mechanics being mitigated because of shields. every raid group im in unless the person likes another class is basically all sorcs for pve. and pvp i really dont need to get started on why their busted in there.

No sorc is anywhere close to 60k self buffed on a 3m or 6m dummy.

ive seen a couple parses around that number that people have gotten granted did i think they were macroed yea but then again theres alot of the best dps players who use macros and never get punished for it. but i have seen 60k or a couple 1000 or 2000 off from it before.

1. Macros aren't against the rules
2. They do not help anyone in the slightest

Onefrkncrzypope · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

But do you use dizzy though?
You have a double dipping undodagable execute. If you wanted to you could have three. You have predicable burst but you got burst that is virtually undodagable (purge blah blah yeah I know). You have cc options(rune, mines, atro, streak stupid pet negate) you have mobility(lightning form streak) and you can artificially almost triple your health with shields. You can equip damage oriented traits on your armor because of that. You have range and the ability to do extreme burst. Like dang zos knew Sorc had so many decent skills they gave you a third bar.

Mag wardens?
DK?
Magplars?

You are telling me you have less CC's than magplars and mag wardens? Less mobility than dks or magplars? More predicable burst than wardens or Stam dks? Like man they just made your cc dodgable. That is all.

Gap closers have been on a melee toons bar further back than the console drop. Swift is really the only issue I would concede issues

The execute is dodgeable, and the passive rarely procs. Curse is undodgeable that's the only part of the burst that is...and that alone isn't going to do much.

There's too much more wrong with this post to even be addressed, if I'm being quite honest

Perceive what you want. Wrong about the first sentence excuse me. Could you answer my questions though? Do you have less than other classes? Or are you just frustrated that it got a little harder to kill some one? This isn't call of duty though zos is trying. All I said that you had option are they good? Meh but some classes have nothing in those categories

Why do other classes being trash excuse other classes being trash?

Why is this mentality okay?

Because you are calling for a buff for Sorc. I literally said zos needs to focus on the "trash" classes before dealing with fotm players being mad about one skill being put into balance. Seriously you can't keep this nuh uh nonsense. Yes in an isolated instance of balance Swift is a bit op against Sorc streak. But seriously I want to be able to play my main again. It's almost been 2 years with no real help. It's so disgustingly hard to even play some classes. You had your turn at the top just enjoy you are not at the bottom on the struggle bus

Valrien · September 2018

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Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

But do you use dizzy though?
You have a double dipping undodagable execute. If you wanted to you could have three. You have predicable burst but you got burst that is virtually undodagable (purge blah blah yeah I know). You have cc options(rune, mines, atro, streak stupid pet negate) you have mobility(lightning form streak) and you can artificially almost triple your health with shields. You can equip damage oriented traits on your armor because of that. You have range and the ability to do extreme burst. Like dang zos knew Sorc had so many decent skills they gave you a third bar.

Mag wardens?
DK?
Magplars?

You are telling me you have less CC's than magplars and mag wardens? Less mobility than dks or magplars? More predicable burst than wardens or Stam dks? Like man they just made your cc dodgable. That is all.

Gap closers have been on a melee toons bar further back than the console drop. Swift is really the only issue I would concede issues

The execute is dodgeable, and the passive rarely procs. Curse is undodgeable that's the only part of the burst that is...and that alone isn't going to do much.

There's too much more wrong with this post to even be addressed, if I'm being quite honest

Perceive what you want. Wrong about the first sentence excuse me. Could you answer my questions though? Do you have less than other classes? Or are you just frustrated that it got a little harder to kill some one? This isn't call of duty though zos is trying. All I said that you had option are they good? Meh but some classes have nothing in those categories

Why do other classes being trash excuse other classes being trash?

Why is this mentality okay?

Because you are calling for a buff for Sorc. I literally said zos needs to focus on the "trash" classes before dealing with fotm players being mad about one skill being put into balance. Seriously you can't keep this nuh uh nonsense. Yes in an isolated instance of balance Swift is a bit op against Sorc streak. But seriously I want to be able to play my main again. It's almost been 2 years with no real help. It's so disgustingly hard to even play some classes. You had your turn at the top just enjoy you are not at the bottom on the struggle bus

They are the bottom though. Specifically in PvE.

But man do I love this gate keeping mentality

ccmedaddy · September 2018

Sorcs really do need better sustain and harder hitting frags to be even remotely competitive in PvE. And this would also buff PvP sorcs in a way that doesn't cater to some of the more ridiculous demands being made by forum sorcs.

Waylander07 · September 2018

NO

Onefrkncrzypope · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Could you in short tell what's wrong with Sorc? Is it really because they took 28m petrify from you? I know pve sustain is bad but man do you really think there aren't other classes that need zos attention first?

Honestly, I've listed it countless times. In short:
-Predicable burst, and basically a one-trick pony in that the Sorc combo is always the same which makes it even more predictable.

-Shields take full unmitigated damage. Some may say this is countered by lack of crits but that's not very relevant since no one runs crit builds. Damage gets higher and higher but shields stay the same.

-Lack of reliable CC. The range of rune cage is also not an argument with gap closers being so prevalent in the meta. Range doesn't matter in the slightest. I'd honestly prefer Petrify over Rune Cage (also Petrify is a double CC...)

-Streak < Gap Closers. Gap Closers make Streak basically irrelevant

-Confirmed lowest Magicka DPS in PvE by FeaR.

-Some of the worst sustain next to Stamplars

-Most importantly, the playstyle itself is being destroyed. Every single playstyle-defining thing Sorcs have had such as Frags stun and Streak has been heavy-handedly nerfed. Many people feel the class simply isn't fun anymore.

I have a longer laundry list but these are my biggest points

But do you use dizzy though?
You have a double dipping undodagable execute. If you wanted to you could have three. You have predicable burst but you got burst that is virtually undodagable (purge blah blah yeah I know). You have cc options(rune, mines, atro, streak stupid pet negate) you have mobility(lightning form streak) and you can artificially almost triple your health with shields. You can equip damage oriented traits on your armor because of that. You have range and the ability to do extreme burst. Like dang zos knew Sorc had so many decent skills they gave you a third bar.

Mag wardens?
DK?
Magplars?

You are telling me you have less CC's than magplars and mag wardens? Less mobility than dks or magplars? More predicable burst than wardens or Stam dks? Like man they just made your cc dodgable. That is all.

Gap closers have been on a melee toons bar further back than the console drop. Swift is really the only issue I would concede issues

The execute is dodgeable, and the passive rarely procs. Curse is undodgeable that's the only part of the burst that is...and that alone isn't going to do much.

There's too much more wrong with this post to even be addressed, if I'm being quite honest

Perceive what you want. Wrong about the first sentence excuse me. Could you answer my questions though? Do you have less than other classes? Or are you just frustrated that it got a little harder to kill some one? This isn't call of duty though zos is trying. All I said that you had option are they good? Meh but some classes have nothing in those categories

Why do other classes being trash excuse other classes being trash?

Why is this mentality okay?

Because you are calling for a buff for Sorc. I literally said zos needs to focus on the "trash" classes before dealing with fotm players being mad about one skill being put into balance. Seriously you can't keep this nuh uh nonsense. Yes in an isolated instance of balance Swift is a bit op against Sorc streak. But seriously I want to be able to play my main again. It's almost been 2 years with no real help. It's so disgustingly hard to even play some classes. You had your turn at the top just enjoy you are not at the bottom on the struggle bus

They are the bottom though. Specifically in PvE.

But man do I love this gate keeping mentality

Scroll up and see that I mentioned they need help in pve and joked about a guy saying they were op. Its not like I don't think Sorc needs help.... I have literally given an example every time about one thing that is garbage. I want to be able to play more than just one class in pve and more than one class in PvP. Don't y'all get it? Anology time yay. Why should a doctor stop working on a patient currently on life support to help some skinned knees? It's called triage: the assignment of degrees of urgency to wounds or illnesses to decide the order of treatment of a large number of patients or casualties same should also apply to game balance or honestly any business. House on fire and Netflix billed you twice who are you going to call first??? That's right the Ghostbusters.