Comparison Slimecraw and Balorg

Destary · August 2018

->Class : Magicka Sorcerer.
->Build : Lich + Shacklebreaker + Perfect Asylum (not used in this test).
->Ultimate : Shooting Star.
->Target : Skeleton 3M.

UB* = Unbuff.
B** = Buff.
Base = With Engin Guardian : A set which don't increase your damage.
Here, Frag means Instant Crystal Fragments.

Unbuff:

Base Frag Value : 12.773
Slimecraw Frag Value: 13.444
Balorg (UB*) Frag Value: 13.074
Balorg (B**) Frag Value: 14.008

--> Damage Lost : 2.75% constant - Balorg (UB*) -> Slimecraw.
--> Earned Damage : 4.19% - Balorg -> Slimecraw.
--> Earned Damage : 5.25% - Slimecraw -> Base.
--> Earned Damage : 2.35% - Balorg (UB*) -> Base.
--> Earned Damage : 9.66% - Balorg (B**) -> Base.

Sorcery Buff (Major Sorcelery):

Base Frag Value : 13.578
Slimecraw Frag Value: 14.292
Balorg (UB*) Frag Value: 13.935
Balorg (B**) Frag Value: 15.128

--> Damage Lost : 2.49% constant - Balorg (UB*) -> Slimecraw.
--> Earned Damage : 5.84% - Balorg -> Slimecraw.
--> Earned Damage : 5.25% - Slimecraw -> Base.
--> Earned Damage : 2.62% - Balorg (UB*) -> Base.
--> Earned Damage : 11.41% - Balorg (B**) -> Base.

Full Buff (Major Sorcery + Damage glyph on infused weapon):

Base Frag Value : 14.828
Slimecraw Frag Value: 15.606
Balorg (UB*) Frag Value: 15.184
Balorg (B**) Frag Value: 16.212

--> Damage Lost : 2.70% constant - Balorg -> Slimecraw.
--> Earned Damage : 3.88% - Balorg -> Slimecraw.
--> Earned Damage : 5.25% - Slimecraw -> Base.
--> Earned Damage : 2.40% - Balorg (UB*) -> Base.
--> Earned Damage : 9.33% - Balorg (B**) -> Base.

Conclusion:

->Slimecraw give a constant damage, Balorg give a burst, their effectiveness dependes your build/class and ultimate used.

KingExecration · September 2018

Really awesome post, but at which ultimates level did you use your ult? Did they get used at its max or base cost of shooting star? (Cant remember how much sorc cost reduction gives)

But I feel it shines in group or smaller scale situation to lay the ultimate down whether it be dawny and spin to win, destro sap ess, banner blockade inhale talons. Just builds that lays out a ton of damage based on ult and how long they've held it.
I can say right now I'll have a set of balrog to swap into on my mag dk when I duo with a buddy or play in group.

IZZEFlameLash · September 2018

KingExecration wrote: »

Really awesome post, but at which ultimates level did you use your ult? Did they get used at its max or base cost of shooting star? (Cant remember how much sorc cost reduction gives)

But I feel it shines in group or smaller scale situation to lay the ultimate down whether it be dawny and spin to win, destro sap ess, banner blockade inhale talons. Just builds that lays out a ton of damage based on ult and how long they've held it.
I can say right now I'll have a set of balrog to swap into on my mag dk when I duo with a buddy or play in group.

Pretty sure it was done with 500 ult.

Destary · September 2018

Hey !

This set give you 2x the cost of your ult, so in Magicka Sorcerer, Shooting Star cost 170 ult. So that give you 340 spell damage

If you have 500 ult that don't change damages.

DDuke · September 2018

Destary wrote: »

Hey !

This set give you 2x the cost of your ult, so in Magicka Sorcerer, Shooting Star cost 170 ult. So that give you 340 spell damage If you have 500 ult that don't change damages.

It does actually. It's based on ultimate consumed (I've tested this), not how much your ultimate costs.

So if you use a Shooting Star at 170 you get 340, but if you use it at 500 ultimate (and all of it naturally gets consumed when ulti is used) you get 1000 spell damage.

It also buffs the damage of the ultimate itself.

Destary · September 2018

DDuke wrote: »

Destary wrote: »

Hey !

This set give you 2x the cost of your ult, so in Magicka Sorcerer, Shooting Star cost 170 ult. So that give you 340 spell damage If you have 500 ult that don't change damages.

It does actually. It's based on ultimate consumed (I've tested this), not how much your ultimate costs.

So if you use a Shooting Star at 170 you get 340, but if you use it at 500 ultimate (and all of it naturally gets consumed when ulti is used) you get 1000 spell damage.

It also buffs the damage of the ultimate itself.

I tried it and that doesn't work. Try again, with 500 ults that give you 340 and not 1000

Destary · September 2018

Ah yeah it's a bug, last week that doesn't work. So it really insane

KingExecration · September 2018

Destary wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Destary wrote: »

Hey !

This set give you 2x the cost of your ult, so in Magicka Sorcerer, Shooting Star cost 170 ult. So that give you 340 spell damage If you have 500 ult that don't change damages.

It does actually. It's based on ultimate consumed (I've tested this), not how much your ultimate costs.

So if you use a Shooting Star at 170 you get 340, but if you use it at 500 ultimate (and all of it naturally gets consumed when ulti is used) you get 1000 spell damage.

It also buffs the damage of the ultimate itself.

I tried it and that doesn't work. Try again, with 500 ults that give you 340 and not 1000

Since I haven’t got it or played on the new update, so the set doesn’t matter if you drop an ult at it’s base of 200, or 500 and it’s still just gonna give the damage from the 200 ultimate?

MashmalloMan · September 2018

I would go with Balorgh for most situations because minor berserk will be made available through healers and become redundant. Burst is also much more important in pvp and you get that with Balorgh + minor berserk if a healer is around.

Juhasow · September 2018

Destary wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Destary wrote: »

Hey !

This set give you 2x the cost of your ult, so in Magicka Sorcerer, Shooting Star cost 170 ult. So that give you 340 spell damage If you have 500 ult that don't change damages.

It does actually. It's based on ultimate consumed (I've tested this), not how much your ultimate costs.

So if you use a Shooting Star at 170 you get 340, but if you use it at 500 ultimate (and all of it naturally gets consumed when ulti is used) you get 1000 spell damage.

It also buffs the damage of the ultimate itself.

I tried it and that doesn't work. Try again, with 500 ults that give you 340 and not 1000

When You cast 1st meteor and You have 500 ulti it'll give You double the ulti cost however next ultimate and each after that will give You double the amount of ultimate consumed in previous use of ultimate ability so Your ulti number 2 will give You 1k spell dmg ( even if You consumed 100 ulti to use it) , ulti number 3 , two times of what You consumed while You used ulti number 2 etc. This is how it worked on PTS atleast.

Minno · September 2018

If only there was a defensive set that robs 500-1000 SD/WD from your enemy

Wing · September 2018

Minno wrote: »

If only there was a defensive set that robs 500-1000 SD/WD from your enemy

the cries for nerfs would be real.

as it stands run Balorg and be a class the gest minor berserk, win win

Destary · September 2018

I'll try it on a Magicka Nightblade, that will be funny

Masel · September 2018

I don't really see the point of waiting three minutes to get burst once... In most pvp situations that doesn't really do anything for me.

Especially in bgs basically any other monster set performed better for me...