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how much dps can you do on your magsorc right now?
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SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a bit better, close to 32k, mostly because of 2 ults, not 1 as at previous test
Seriously, I don't see where I can put more LAs.
Only if change build from heavy attack to the usual one with Imbued Weapon or Crushing Shock spammersEdited by SilverWF on September 3, 2018 5:13PM- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭initial pop for starting combat with group buffs 50k+ but then will drop and remain around 43-44k but it depends on if I have a perfect run i.e no lag etc no staff glitches things like that.
With all that accounted for then its usually 40k-42k.
EDIT: Addition Info: Gear -
Im still using one of the old set ups which is BSW, illambris, 3x moondancer, vAS lightning front bar, vMA Inferno back bar. (I am aware vAS gear is considered "cheesing" but honestly, its gear. Its in the game, you use it. It works.)
Alternatively something else I realised which is somewhat confusing for me as I never thought lich x5 would actually work for any near good amount - lich + BSW and illambris also works but I only pull around 35k-37k (average and again, group buffs). I personally thought it would be much lower but it does work its just not optimal.Edited by xeNNNNN on September 3, 2018 11:05PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.1 -
MakeMeUhSamich✭✭✭✭✭This is a bit better, close to 32k, mostly because of 2 ults, not 1 as at previous test
Seriously, I don't see where I can put more LAs.
Only if change build from heavy attack to the usual one with Imbued Weapon or Crushing Shock spammers
I posted a 36k+ build using only basic gear (no VMA) earlier in this thread. It utilizes Crushing Shock as a spammable and 1 heavy attack each rotation for sustainability.
Without seeing your rotation, it’s hard to offer much help. I would suggest switching to the Mage Mundus and see how that improves your DPS. Stacking magic is crucial for a heavy attack pet build.1 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »This is a bit better, close to 32k, mostly because of 2 ults, not 1 as at previous test
Seriously, I don't see where I can put more LAs.
Only if change build from heavy attack to the usual one with Imbued Weapon or Crushing Shock spammers
I posted a 36k+ build using only basic gear (no VMA) earlier in this thread. It utilizes Crushing Shock as a spammable and 1 heavy attack each rotation for sustainability.
Without seeing your rotation, it’s hard to offer much help. I would suggest switching to the Mage Mundus and see how that improves your DPS. Stacking magic is crucial for a heavy attack pet build.
This is not Heavy Attack build
You are using HAs only for sustain, while me - as main and only spammable.
No, I dislike other stones, because even with Thief my crit.rate is pretty low...- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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MakeMeUhSamich✭✭✭✭✭MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »This is a bit better, close to 32k, mostly because of 2 ults, not 1 as at previous test
Seriously, I don't see where I can put more LAs.
Only if change build from heavy attack to the usual one with Imbued Weapon or Crushing Shock spammers
I posted a 36k+ build using only basic gear (no VMA) earlier in this thread. It utilizes Crushing Shock as a spammable and 1 heavy attack each rotation for sustainability.
Without seeing your rotation, it’s hard to offer much help. I would suggest switching to the Mage Mundus and see how that improves your DPS. Stacking magic is crucial for a heavy attack pet build.
This is not Heavy Attack build You are using HAs only for sustain, while me - as main and only spammable.
No, I dislike other stones, because even with Thief my crit.rate is pretty low...
Ok. Only trying to help.0 -
Waffennacht wrote: »I notice many of these high dps builds would be unable to solo a vet dungeon.
My solo build hits 31k
Never have run a build that depends on group members
No trial gear of any kind
I run my raid setup in every single thing I do including vma. My rotation is capable of finishing a 6mil dummy at 40k dps while finishing with over half magicka with no group help whatsoever. If I want to get Over 19k health, I slot nereneith instead of llambris and lose about 700 dps. This is on a non pet sorc thats trial ready with only 1 skill swap.
I do Agree that a lot of these Uber high parses are cheesed. If you are out of magicka at the end of your 3 mil parse you will be starving in just about any difficult fight or spamming so many bubbles that it’s a substantial dps loss.
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MakeMeUhSamich✭✭✭✭✭Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I notice many of these high dps builds would be unable to solo a vet dungeon.
My solo build hits 31k
Never have run a build that depends on group members
No trial gear of any kind
I run my raid setup in every single thing I do including vma. My rotation is capable of finishing a 6mil dummy at 40k dps while finishing with over half magicka with no group help whatsoever. If I want to get Over 19k health, I slot nereneith instead of llambris and lose about 700 dps. This is on a non pet sorc thats trial ready with only 1 skill swap.
I do Agree that a lot of these Uber high parses are cheesed. If you are out of magicka at the end of your 3 mil parse you will be starving in just about any difficult fight or spamming so many bubbles that it’s a substantial dps loss.
Mind sharing your setup? Thanks!0 -
Hixtory✭✭✭✭FearAndPatching wrote: »47.7k non pet applying own Elemental Drain, apprentice mundus. Made a variation I thought of to standard meta build. Was right in front of our eyes but nobody wants to stray from what they’re told.
https://1drv.ms/v/s!ApPtoAfMY6A6bT3HIOeu7QRBrVs
Care to share the sets?
Also, why you dont use sorc execute and keep applying the ele weapon?Edited by Hixtory on September 3, 2018 6:29PM0 -
Dymence✭✭✭✭✭
✭FearAndPatching wrote: »47.7k non pet applying own Elemental Drain, apprentice mundus. Made a variation I thought of to standard meta build. Was right in front of our eyes but nobody wants to stray from what they’re told.
https://1drv.ms/v/s!ApPtoAfMY6A6bT3HIOeu7QRBrVs
Care to share the sets?
Also, why you dont use sorc execute and keep applying the ele weapon?
Ele weapon is a spammable like force pulse1 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »This is a bit better, close to 32k, mostly because of 2 ults, not 1 as at previous test
Seriously, I don't see where I can put more LAs.
Only if change build from heavy attack to the usual one with Imbued Weapon or Crushing Shock spammers
I posted a 36k+ build using only basic gear (no VMA) earlier in this thread. It utilizes Crushing Shock as a spammable and 1 heavy attack each rotation for sustainability.
Without seeing your rotation, it’s hard to offer much help. I would suggest switching to the Mage Mundus and see how that improves your DPS. Stacking magic is crucial for a heavy attack pet build.
This is not Heavy Attack build You are using HAs only for sustain, while me - as main and only spammable.
No, I dislike other stones, because even with Thief my crit.rate is pretty low...
Ok. Only trying to help.
Don't mind Silver. He generally hates listening to other people.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a bit better, close to 32k, mostly because of 2 ults, not 1 as at previous test
Seriously, I don't see where I can put more LAs.
Only if change build from heavy attack to the usual one with Imbued Weapon or Crushing Shock spammers
What's your Daedric Pray uptime? (Debuff's Out window). Are you using eledrain? Your regen seems too low on your metrics report which is probably what's stopping you from being able to fire more light attacks over heavy attacks (I know it's a heavy attack build, but look at your max damage: 11.9 for a HA that takes a couple of seconds to complete compared to 15 for a LA)NA PC | AD
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SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a bit better, close to 32k, mostly because of 2 ults, not 1 as at previous test
Seriously, I don't see where I can put more LAs.
Only if change build from heavy attack to the usual one with Imbued Weapon or Crushing Shock spammers
What's your Daedric Pray uptime? (Debuff's Out window). Are you using eledrain? Your regen seems too low on your metrics report which is probably what's stopping you from being able to fire more light attacks over heavy attacks (I know it's a heavy attack build, but look at your max damage: 11.9 for a HA that takes a couple of seconds to complete compared to 15 for a LA)
That's every tick bro
Skill name with '*' means it's a DOT part. Look down there, you will find "Heavy attack" without * - that's a final tick.
Daedric prey uptime is pretty low - ~50%
Not a big deal thoMakeMeUhSamich wrote: »MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »This is a bit better, close to 32k, mostly because of 2 ults, not 1 as at previous test
Seriously, I don't see where I can put more LAs.
Only if change build from heavy attack to the usual one with Imbued Weapon or Crushing Shock spammers
I posted a 36k+ build using only basic gear (no VMA) earlier in this thread. It utilizes Crushing Shock as a spammable and 1 heavy attack each rotation for sustainability.
Without seeing your rotation, it’s hard to offer much help. I would suggest switching to the Mage Mundus and see how that improves your DPS. Stacking magic is crucial for a heavy attack pet build.
This is not Heavy Attack build You are using HAs only for sustain, while me - as main and only spammable.
No, I dislike other stones, because even with Thief my crit.rate is pretty low...
Ok. Only trying to help.
Don't mind Silver. He generally hates listening to other people.
Based on your post and a number "agrees" I can assume there is my fanclub
Hello, fans!
Which ppl, btw? Like you: who came to the thread and started to blame me for spam after second post (! KARL!) made in several hours? Who continued to post useless and nonconstructive posts even after another guy revealed my reasoning?
Or like that guys in the loot thread, who just can't read or too afraid, choosing more polite option and then describing their behavior as most harsh one? Lol
If ppl like that would ignore my posts - I would be only happier, really.
Bye, fans!Edited by SilverWF on September 3, 2018 10:27PM- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@SilverWF Lightning Flood, one of your strongest abilities shows 58hits in a 94 second fight. Meaning you had it up for only about 59% of the fight. That's pretty low. If you have troubles keeping it up, go with liquid lightning instead. The ticks should be close to the same as blockade which had 89 ticks. Just cast it right after every blockade to simplify your rotation.0 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Marshall1289 wrote: »@SilverWF Lightning Flood, one of your strongest abilities shows 58hits in a 94 second fight. Meaning you had it up for only about 59% of the fight. That's pretty low. If you have troubles keeping it up, go with liquid lightning instead. The ticks should be close to the same as blockade which had 89 ticks. Just cast it right after every blockade to simplify your rotation.
Yes, maybe. Need to perfect rotation still.
Don't think I'll ever be able to beat 35k DPS - PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
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valkyrie93✭✭✭✭✭really interesting to read all the comments...
i know i need to practice, but am i the only one who finds the liquid lightning casting animation annoying as hell? i can never seem to cancel it as quickly as blockade.. or literally any other skill.. it always messes up my timingEdited by valkyrie93 on September 3, 2018 11:10PMPC EU0 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Marshall1289 wrote: »@SilverWF Lightning Flood, one of your strongest abilities shows 58hits in a 94 second fight. Meaning you had it up for only about 59% of the fight. That's pretty low. If you have troubles keeping it up, go with liquid lightning instead. The ticks should be close to the same as blockade which had 89 ticks. Just cast it right after every blockade to simplify your rotation.
Yes, maybe. Need to perfect rotation still.
Don't think I'll ever be able to beat 35k DPS
Actually you can for sure.. Your major prophecy had only 65% uptime too, which means you probably had no potion running and you were getting it from mage light front barred only. Seems minimal but you don't have aegis/mage light on both bars, so you lose a good deal of dmg anytime you go to back bar.
If you want more dmg, but to keep the same setup. Change your elemental blockade to unstable wall of elements, keep lightning flood. This will make your skills all 6 seconds each, which means you can go wall of elements -> lightning flood -> daedric prey and then they will all have close to 100% up-time because the rotation would always be the same. Just don't cast volatile familiar until the proc ends every 8 seconds.
Want even more, don't slot power surge/shield, replace it with bound aegis/mage light on back bar, use spell power pots for major brutality and major prophecy, bam, same build 35k+ dps.
Honestly I'd change more about the build, but those changes still keep it the same and you can get a higher parse, shields/surge are nice to have though, I still use them in groups.Edited by MashmalloMan on September 3, 2018 10:58PM0 -
Dymence✭✭✭✭✭
✭Marshall1289 wrote: »@SilverWF Lightning Flood, one of your strongest abilities shows 58hits in a 94 second fight. Meaning you had it up for only about 59% of the fight. That's pretty low. If you have troubles keeping it up, go with liquid lightning instead. The ticks should be close to the same as blockade which had 89 ticks. Just cast it right after every blockade to simplify your rotation.
Lightning flood is a bad choice either way, the uptime is too low and recasting it to keep it up 100% makes for an insane drain on your magicka and costs potential filler dps. Liquid lightning is always the way to go.1 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Marshall1289 Well, thanks, but, I fighting not with dummies in the dungeons and trials, so I need shield.
I'm acting like this is real fight.
So I would be with shield
Also, pots - they are pretty expensive to use 100% of time everywhere just to please some other randoms, that I would never see again
For me this like a cheesing parse.
Anyway, I'll try it- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Marshall1289 wrote: »@SilverWF Lightning Flood, one of your strongest abilities shows 58hits in a 94 second fight. Meaning you had it up for only about 59% of the fight. That's pretty low. If you have troubles keeping it up, go with liquid lightning instead. The ticks should be close to the same as blockade which had 89 ticks. Just cast it right after every blockade to simplify your rotation.
Lightning flood is a bad choice either way, the uptime is too low and recasting it to keep it up 100% makes for an insane drain on your magicka and costs potential filler dps. Liquid lightning is always the way to go.
I assumed it's good for a heavy attack build because who cares about resources when you're only heavy attacking.
@SilverWF On a light attack you do more damage with flame enchant on the back bar weapon and shock on the front. I don't know if this is true with heavy attack builds, but I can't see why it wouldn't be.
Don't use double bloody mara. It's only good for lowering vamp, you get more stats from blue food.0 -
XxCaLxX✭✭✭✭✭Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I notice many of these high dps builds would be unable to solo a vet dungeon.
My solo build hits 31k
Never have run a build that depends on group members
No trial gear of any kind
I run my raid setup in every single thing I do including vma. My rotation is capable of finishing a 6mil dummy at 40k dps while finishing with over half magicka with no group help whatsoever. If I want to get Over 19k health, I slot nereneith instead of llambris and lose about 700 dps. This is on a non pet sorc thats trial ready with only 1 skill swap.
I do Agree that a lot of these Uber high parses are cheesed. If you are out of magicka at the end of your 3 mil parse you will be starving in just about any difficult fight or spamming so many bubbles that it’s a substantial dps loss.
Couldn’t agree more. I can do a full parse on a 26mil dummy without ever dropping below 20k magicka and do it solo with 38-40k dps. I know it would be tougher for a lot of builds to do a test on 26mil but I’ve done it on stamsorc also solo with 37k dps. Being able to sustain againsts bosses in the harder vet trials or any other scenario of far more important that cheesing a 50k dps test on a 3mil dummy.
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is a bit better, close to 32k, mostly because of 2 ults, not 1 as at previous test
Seriously, I don't see where I can put more LAs.
Only if change build from heavy attack to the usual one with Imbued Weapon or Crushing Shock spammers
What's your Daedric Pray uptime? (Debuff's Out window). Are you using eledrain? Your regen seems too low on your metrics report which is probably what's stopping you from being able to fire more light attacks over heavy attacks (I know it's a heavy attack build, but look at your max damage: 11.9 for a HA that takes a couple of seconds to complete compared to 15 for a LA)
That's every tick bro
Skill name with '*' means it's a DOT part. Look down there, you will find "Heavy attack" without * - that's a final tick.
Daedric prey uptime is pretty low - ~50%
Not a big deal thoMakeMeUhSamich wrote: »MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »This is a bit better, close to 32k, mostly because of 2 ults, not 1 as at previous test
Seriously, I don't see where I can put more LAs.
Only if change build from heavy attack to the usual one with Imbued Weapon or Crushing Shock spammers
I posted a 36k+ build using only basic gear (no VMA) earlier in this thread. It utilizes Crushing Shock as a spammable and 1 heavy attack each rotation for sustainability.
Without seeing your rotation, it’s hard to offer much help. I would suggest switching to the Mage Mundus and see how that improves your DPS. Stacking magic is crucial for a heavy attack pet build.
This is not Heavy Attack build You are using HAs only for sustain, while me - as main and only spammable.
No, I dislike other stones, because even with Thief my crit.rate is pretty low...
Ok. Only trying to help.
Don't mind Silver. He generally hates listening to other people.
Based on your post and a number "agrees" I can assume there is my fanclub
Hello, fans!
Which ppl, btw? Like you: who came to the thread and started to blame me for spam after second post (! KARL!) made in several hours? Who continued to post useless and nonconstructive posts even after another guy revealed my reasoning?
Or like that guys in the loot thread, who just can't read or too afraid, choosing more polite option and then describing their behavior as most harsh one? Lol
If ppl like that would ignore my posts - I would be only happier, really.
Bye, fans!
It could also just mean you've built a reputation for being hard-headedValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tried
In the group case, I swapping Elem Drain to Channeled Acceleration, this able to give 3-4k DPS more, not talking about other group buffs, like Warhorn or minor berserk, etc
@Tannus15
It's not good for heavy attack build to have damage enchant on the heavy attack bar, because damage enchant procs only once per heavy attack - I tested this.
So, weapon damage buff
@Valrien
Okay, you won, may we finally get rid from your extremely constructive existence?Edited by SilverWF on September 3, 2018 11:34PM- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Tried
@ Tannus15
It's not good for heavy attack build to have damage enchant on the heavy attack bar, because damage enchant procs only once per heavy attack - I tested this.
So, weapon damage buff
@ Valrien
Okay, you won, may we finally get rid from your extremely constructive existence?
I'm normally constructive. But what I would have to say in this thread is normally ignored since Sorc is "the best DPS ever" (which FeaR Turbo tested and it turns out Mag Sorc is the lowest out of the 5 magicka DPS) so instead I just make quipsValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭✭✭Measurably less than my NB, which is why my mSorc is working overtime doing crafting writs. Not good for much else these days in PVE.0 -
SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tried
In the group case, I swapping Elem Drain to Channeled Acceleration, this able to give 3-4k DPS more, not talking about other group buffs, like Warhorn or minor berserk, etc
@Tannus15
It's not good for heavy attack build to have damage enchant on the heavy attack bar, because damage enchant procs only once per heavy attack - I tested this.
So, weapon damage buff
@Valrien
Okay, you won, may we finally get rid from your extremely constructive existence?
What's your minor vulnerability uptime?NA PC | AD
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Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@SilverWF Comparing your 2 parses your latest parse did significantly more dps on your top 3 skills and your dps losses seem to be from your ult somehow and the fact that you did 18 light attacks on your lightning bar and no light attacks on the 2nd parse.
the simple fact is that light attacks put out more dps than heavy attacks. your ground dot is doing significantly more dps with liquid lightning vs liquid flood, but all that dps increase is lose because you're adding an extra heavy attack instead of those 18 light attacks.
simply put your heavy attack tick dps went up by 1.2k dps, while you lost 2k dps on your light attacks.
For a sustained fight on a single target the storm atro ult is stronger than elemental rage by ultimate cost. ele rage does more damage, but not if you factor in waiting for the ultimate to use it. Ideally you want to start a fight with ele rage, then drop your storm atro or meteor as soon as it's up. I find this to be fight dependent. If I can't drop my ult (mechanics, whatever) and my ultimate hits 200, or it's a trash heavy fight then I wait to use ele rage instead.1 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I do 25-27k on my sorc with necro and juli pet build. I'm not the best though at the sorc rotation. I dont have vma staff or anything just flame staff and lighting staff of juli.
If I had the gear and worked more on rotation I think even a bad player like me can hit 30+k0
