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Bullies in the DUNGEONS
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Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭Valera Progib wrote: »For how long did they do this dungeon if you managed to get in three times after being kicked? According to your comments you did 45k dps, so you did manage to kill some mobs, assuming that - you are either lying or strongly exaggerating.
P.S. I don’t believe that if you que as damage you can get in such situation.
I think he means from a training dummy, either way it is irrelevant. Just like saying billy slapped me and he was wearing a glove.Xbox One Na0 -
Jinchuu✭✭✭✭Depends what CP you were, set up and the scale of dungeon, i know I've got angry sometimes at a healer that was doing more damage instead of healing but i never actually was mean to them. It's just if you're under powered and the people really want to finish the dungeon for monster masks then it's only fair, you should of just left and not joined back or done another dungeon.
Give actually reading and comprehending a post before replying to it a shot, see how it works out.Unless you are willing to be a mindless sycophant and/or coddle others due to their insecurities prepare to be harrased by the Orwellian enforcers on these forums. You should also try to refrain from using any words more complex than those used by a small child due to the fact that said enforcers have made it clear that their vocabulary pool is aenemic.1 -
Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭At 45k dps you could have just soloed it, if it was on normal I just assume you were smoking everything way too quick for them to enjoy the run. If you kept landing back in their group, it was probably just as harrassing so they poked fun and kicked. Sorry but, your feelings are your responsibility, not theirs and you can choose how to feel about it. Personally I just laugh and move on. It is really hard to tell what the other party thinks without open dialogue, so this is just one half of the story, your half. Obviously what happened made you mad but, there are easier ways to deal with it.Edited by Malacthulhu on September 3, 2018 3:44PMXbox One Na1
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Yes, had some bad runs but only one who was verbal outside of group suck "leave group".sample size of one?
if this were a common occurance, that would be rotten...
if it's one experience out of a dozen...just one of those things...let it go...not worth the effort to fret over...
Standard is simply to leave group, has done that myself. Other times we have agree to call it, group is to weak, does anybody really need it if group is nice but weak for content.
Has some hundreds runs. Been kicked twice, vet CoS and CoA2 both was then I was low cp and thought it was normal.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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As 45K dps was discussed vet and 2 is assumed unless clinically insane and not just stupid elitists.Malacthulhu wrote: »What difficulty were you playing in ?
Darkshade 2 is a bit of an healer dungeon in my experience because of last boss. an weak dps check in that you have to kill of the adds faster than they spawn and the stupid moving non tautable boss. You also take significant damage during poison
Still BC2 HM is harder, think fungal 2 HM 2 to but long since I did it.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
firedrgn✭✭✭✭✭Op at least you got them to talk. I hate getting a dungeon where they sont talk. Its almost always a disaster.0
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iiYuki✭✭✭✭✭Not pointing fingers but people tend to act this way for a reason; You *** up a mechanic, low dps, ***/fake tank or healer. Also what are we going to do, if you think its a problem you should report them and be on your way."Play how you want... unless its not how we intended you to play in which case we'll nerf it".
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Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sadly there is little ZOS can do about people being jerks if they're not breaking any rules.
I disagree. They could prevent him from getting paired again and again with the same group that just kicked him.... why do the dungeon finder let him get paired so many times with the same group that keeps kicking him? I have had this happen a few times with someone that obviously just wanted to run a 3-man dungeon, but I kept being put into their group and they kept kicking me (and yes they should just have made their own group instead of the dungeon finder, but they didn't do that). It's not fun. Zenimax Online Studios should be able to mobilize their skills and rather easily prevent that from happening.Edited by Jayman1000 on September 3, 2018 5:27PM1 -
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✭Hayden_Knight wrote: »if you have people on your block list dose it still pair you with them in the dungeon finder? maybe if it dose - it shouldn't
no. not even that works. But it should, and I doubt it can be that hard for zos to implement. What I fear is the real cause is a type of fearful conservatism on part of zos, they don't want to change anything fearing they'll break something. Which they probably would. Like an elephant navigating a densely packed mirror shop.2 -
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Irrelevant for darkshade 2 hm no death speed run, think you could do that with 45K group dps.45k parse or 45k dungeon dmg?
And fake, players who do 45k parses has an so good understanding of the game they know they can not expect 45K from some in an pug.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭hello ,
Today i used Dungeon finder For Darkshade Caverns
a group that i get in they didnt let me play and they threten me and they always ban me from the duengeon.
unfortunatly 3 times queued in dungeon finder and 3 times i got placed in their group and they kick me or make fun of me and didnt let me play the dungeon..And they said me leave or kick and they said u are useless while i was making at least 45+k DPS
So what ZOS will do with those bullies that even they dont let us play the game that paid every month for
theres litterally nothing you can do about it but suck it up honestly. this game is just like real life deal with it move on. put them on ignore theres people like this in all games. just join a guild problem solved0 -
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Well, there is your mistake!Today i used Dungeon finder For Darkshade Caverns...
Don't PUG! Warning - random groupings can include toxic people!
Find friends who are decent people, ask them to run dungeons with ya. Guilds can help in that regard... and friends/guildmates usually will even offer advice and suggestions if your character performs suboptimal instead of kicking you and saying mean things...
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Sophocles1✭✭✭I was in one dungeon Pug That I hadn’t been in before, so missed a harvester to tank in one room. On the voice chat, somebody started cursing me out like a drunken sailor. Like, in a way nobody would ever do face-to-face. I was totally taken aback to hear this guy screaming cursewords in my ear. I deescalated, Picked up the harvester, and then he became a helpful guide through the rest of the dungeon. I think people just get deindividuated In anonymous situations online and sometimes just need a little nudge back to their normal personalities. It’s not just this game, it’s anything that is anonymous, including driving on the highway. Think of it as Road rage.6
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✭✭✭I was running nDarkshade 1 on my lowbie. Whole group was low leveled, ranging from level 12 - 38, no biggie.
Except for the level 12. I didn't expect anything but this guy would always run up to the group and as we engaged a mob would pull off and run away while the rest of the group fought, only to come back when the last mob was practically dead already.
We tolerated it until we got to the Kwama Guardian Boss in which he sat out the entire fight until it got to 12% or so. At that point, I start the vote kick and he was removed.
I'm a tolerate guy, I give lowbies some slack but when you are seemingly skipping out on entire fights intentionally, then I'm not going to sit there and carry you.Argonian forever2 -
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✭Silver_Strider wrote: »I was running nDarkshade 1 on my lowbie. Whole group was low leveled, ranging from level 12 - 38, no biggie.
Except for the level 12. I didn't expect anything but this guy would always run up to the group and as we engaged a mob would pull off and run away while the rest of the group fought, only to come back when the last mob was practically dead already.
We tolerated it until we got to the Kwama Guardian Boss in which he sat out the entire fight until it got to 12% or so. At that point, I start the vote kick and he was removed.
I'm a tolerate guy, I give lowbies some slack but when you are seemingly skipping out on entire fights intentionally, then I'm not going to sit there and carry you.
But don't you find it ridiculous that the dungeon finder can pair the same guy that was kicked with that same group? multiple times even? That lvl12 you votekicked, would youi want him to rejoin your instance again and again?2 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭hello ,
Today i used Dungeon finder For Darkshade Caverns
a group that i get in they didnt let me play and they threten me and they always ban me from the duengeon.
unfortunatly 3 times queued in dungeon finder and 3 times i got placed in their group and they kick me or make fun of me and didnt let me play the dungeon..And they said me leave or kick and they said u are useless while i was making at least 45+k DPS
So what ZOS will do with those bullies that even they dont let us play the game that paid every month for
Just put it this way. They are nerds. They are geeks. They are pretending they are Jocks and are cool and better than other people. They are quite pathetic. Roles have been reversed now from the 70's and 80's. I can't speak for the rest, others will have to chime in here since I stopped going to school then. Before it was the "jocks" that would be the bullies, now as I said it's the nerds/geeks who are bullies behind a monitor/tv screen. At least bullies do it to your face. Nerds/geeks are worse, they do anonymously.
Now the question is what would you do if you were in a group that can only put of 10 000? That is the question we should be asking.Edited by Davor on September 3, 2018 8:20PMNot my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
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✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »I was running nDarkshade 1 on my lowbie. Whole group was low leveled, ranging from level 12 - 38, no biggie.
Except for the level 12. I didn't expect anything but this guy would always run up to the group and as we engaged a mob would pull off and run away while the rest of the group fought, only to come back when the last mob was practically dead already.
We tolerated it until we got to the Kwama Guardian Boss in which he sat out the entire fight until it got to 12% or so. At that point, I start the vote kick and he was removed.
I'm a tolerate guy, I give lowbies some slack but when you are seemingly skipping out on entire fights intentionally, then I'm not going to sit there and carry you.
But don't you find it ridiculous that the dungeon finder can pair the same guy that was kicked with that same group? multiple times even? That lvl12 you votekicked, would youi want him to rejoin your instance again and again?
Ofc it ridiculous. The same thing happened to me once in vFG2. We cleared 2nd boss and I got vote kicked immediately afterwards only to end up in the same group when I queued again but in my case I got lucky since it was clear that I had carried that group up til then since when I found them, the tank had died to a trash pull and it took them 10 minutes to clear up the trash while I sat back, took a screenshot and reported them after the 2nd kick.
Got a nice fast run thru Wayrest 2 in the 3rd queue.
It sucks when people are a**holes in Group Finder but this isn't the 1st MMO with that problem and it certainly won't be the last.Argonian forever2 -
firedrgn✭✭✭✭✭Well i used to be way more tolerant. Now i just apply the rule that i am willing to do my self.
If they are willing to talk on chat and learn or even try ill run the dungeon till i am out of game time.
I got a tank and a dps that smarted off that they new mechanics to rom .. it was apparently not the case. I left because they can smart off on chat but cant say anythi g else other than group sucks.
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hello ,
Today i used Dungeon finder For Darkshade Caverns
a group that i get in they didnt let me play and they threten me and they always ban me from the duengeon.
unfortunatly 3 times queued in dungeon finder and 3 times i got placed in their group and they kick me or make fun of me and didnt let me play the dungeon..And they said me leave or kick and they said u are useless while i was making at least 45+k DPS
So what ZOS will do with those bullies that even they dont let us play the game that paid every month for
I've come across troll groups like this before. It happens when three ___ holes team up to grieve other players. The one I fell into kicked me even after we defeated the last boss just to be annoying.
So I would report them. Then add them to your ignore list. I am told doing so prevents you from being matched into dungeons with them - though I can't confirm that.
This is one of the few things I will actually report other players for. It's extremely annoying.Edited by Jeremy on September 4, 2018 9:03AM0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sadly there is little ZOS can do about people being jerks if they're not breaking any rules.
They could try to overhaul how the group finder system works but at the end of the day if players take it upon themselves to police groups to their standards ZOS can't do much to stop them.
Best advice I can give is try and find an active and friendly guild and make groups for dungeons via that, even if you just get one more person from your guild with you it makes vote kicks harder to achieve.
I was under the impression that abusing the kick function and kicking people for no reason - in short using it as a method for trolling others - was against the rules.Edited by Jeremy on September 4, 2018 9:09AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sadly there is little ZOS can do about people being jerks if they're not breaking any rules.
They could try to overhaul how the group finder system works but at the end of the day if players take it upon themselves to police groups to their standards ZOS can't do much to stop them.
Best advice I can give is try and find an active and friendly guild and make groups for dungeons via that, even if you just get one more person from your guild with you it makes vote kicks harder to achieve.
I was under the impression that abusing the kick function and kicking people for no reason - in short using it as a method for trolling others - was against the rules.
But does ZOS have a way to actually see if someone is "abusing" the kick function? I would imagine it would probably be difficult to prove you were kicked unjustly (unless you record/screenshot every pug run).
"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sadly there is little ZOS can do about people being jerks if they're not breaking any rules.
They could try to overhaul how the group finder system works but at the end of the day if players take it upon themselves to police groups to their standards ZOS can't do much to stop them.
Best advice I can give is try and find an active and friendly guild and make groups for dungeons via that, even if you just get one more person from your guild with you it makes vote kicks harder to achieve.
I was under the impression that abusing the kick function and kicking people for no reason - in short using it as a method for trolling others - was against the rules.
But does ZOS have a way to actually see if someone is "abusing" the kick function? I would imagine it would probably be difficult to prove you were kicked unjustly (unless you record/screenshot every pug run).
I would imagine they could investigate the chat and/or combat information of the situation to figure it out.
Some incidents might be difficult to conclude from. Others should be obvious though. For example: if you have the same three people talking crap and kicking everyone who joins their group it should be obvious what they are doing.Edited by Jeremy on September 4, 2018 9:24AM0 -
jaschacasadiob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭That is what happens when people have little to no woo hoo activity."Yesterday while searching a barrel in vVoM I found a lemon. Best drop of the whole run."
Protect the weak. Heal the sick.
Treasure the gifts of friendship. Seek joy and inspiration in the mysteries of love.
Honor the Earth, its creatures, and the spirits. Use Nature's gifts wisely. Respect her power. Fear her fury.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sadly there is little ZOS can do about people being jerks if they're not breaking any rules.
They could try to overhaul how the group finder system works but at the end of the day if players take it upon themselves to police groups to their standards ZOS can't do much to stop them.
Best advice I can give is try and find an active and friendly guild and make groups for dungeons via that, even if you just get one more person from your guild with you it makes vote kicks harder to achieve.
I was under the impression that abusing the kick function and kicking people for no reason - in short using it as a method for trolling others - was against the rules.
But does ZOS have a way to actually see if someone is "abusing" the kick function? I would imagine it would probably be difficult to prove you were kicked unjustly (unless you record/screenshot every pug run).
I would imagine they could investigate the chat and/or combat information of the situation to figure it out.
Some incidents might be difficult to conclude from. Others should be obvious though.
Perhaps, but I can't imagine they would invest any more than a cursory glance."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sadly there is little ZOS can do about people being jerks if they're not breaking any rules.
They could try to overhaul how the group finder system works but at the end of the day if players take it upon themselves to police groups to their standards ZOS can't do much to stop them.
Best advice I can give is try and find an active and friendly guild and make groups for dungeons via that, even if you just get one more person from your guild with you it makes vote kicks harder to achieve.
I was under the impression that abusing the kick function and kicking people for no reason - in short using it as a method for trolling others - was against the rules.
But does ZOS have a way to actually see if someone is "abusing" the kick function? I would imagine it would probably be difficult to prove you were kicked unjustly (unless you record/screenshot every pug run).
I would imagine they could investigate the chat and/or combat information of the situation to figure it out.
Some incidents might be difficult to conclude from. Others should be obvious though.
Perhaps, but I can't imagine they would invest any more than a cursory glance.
As I added in my last post: if you have the same three people talking crap and kicking everyone who joins their group a cursory glance is probably all it would take.
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stitchesofdooom✭✭✭✭hello ,
Today i used Dungeon finder For Darkshade Caverns
a group that i get in they didnt let me play and they threten me and they always ban me from the duengeon.
unfortunatly 3 times queued in dungeon finder and 3 times i got placed in their group and they kick me or make fun of me and didnt let me play the dungeon..And they said me leave or kick and they said u are useless while i was making at least 45+k DPS
So what ZOS will do with those bullies that even they dont let us play the game that paid every month for
report all 3, block all 3, wait 10 mins and queue again.Say NO to Crown Crates. Crown Crates are Loot Boxes. Loot Boxes are gambling. Zenimax makes enough money off us.
ESO+ is part of the "Games as a service" trend. A trend that needs to die. Subscribe only when you need Crowns for DLC.
Say no to "radiant" junk quests replacing proper side content and the dumbing down of our favorite franchises.
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sadly there is little ZOS can do about people being jerks if they're not breaking any rules.
They could try to overhaul how the group finder system works but at the end of the day if players take it upon themselves to police groups to their standards ZOS can't do much to stop them.
Best advice I can give is try and find an active and friendly guild and make groups for dungeons via that, even if you just get one more person from your guild with you it makes vote kicks harder to achieve.
I was under the impression that abusing the kick function and kicking people for no reason - in short using it as a method for trolling others - was against the rules.
But does ZOS have a way to actually see if someone is "abusing" the kick function? I would imagine it would probably be difficult to prove you were kicked unjustly (unless you record/screenshot every pug run).
I would imagine they could investigate the chat and/or combat information of the situation to figure it out.
Some incidents might be difficult to conclude from. Others should be obvious though.
Perhaps, but I can't imagine they would invest any more than a cursory glance.
As I added in my last post: if you have the same three people talking crap and kicking everyone who joins their group a cursory glance is probably all it would take.
I will refer back to my post saying that if you record/SS your pug runs you may having a better leg to stand on, but that's assuming there was a conversation to begin with. Most will simply initiate a kick and you'll find yourself looking at a load screen. True trolls don't always engage their target in a verbal exchange. Sometimes the simple process of causing an inconvenience is more than enough. It's those "drive by" kicks that are harder to prove malicious intent.
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✭✭✭✭✭Sadly there is little ZOS can do about people being jerks if they're not breaking any rules.
They could try to overhaul how the group finder system works but at the end of the day if players take it upon themselves to police groups to their standards ZOS can't do much to stop them.
Best advice I can give is try and find an active and friendly guild and make groups for dungeons via that, even if you just get one more person from your guild with you it makes vote kicks harder to achieve.
I was under the impression that abusing the kick function and kicking people for no reason - in short using it as a method for trolling others - was against the rules.
But does ZOS have a way to actually see if someone is "abusing" the kick function? I would imagine it would probably be difficult to prove you were kicked unjustly (unless you record/screenshot every pug run).
I would imagine they could investigate the chat and/or combat information of the situation to figure it out.
Some incidents might be difficult to conclude from. Others should be obvious though.
Perhaps, but I can't imagine they would invest any more than a cursory glance.
As I added in my last post: if you have the same three people talking crap and kicking everyone who joins their group a cursory glance is probably all it would take.
I will refer back to my post saying that if you record/SS your pug runs you may having a better leg to stand on, but that's assuming there was a conversation to begin with. Most will simply initiate a kick and you'll find yourself looking at a load screen. True trolls don't always engage their target in a verbal exchange. Sometimes the simple process of causing an inconvenience is more than enough. It's those "drive by" kicks that are harder to prove malicious intent.
That's true. But I'm not talking about "drive by" kicks.
I"m referring to bully groups where you have 3 less than nice individuals who know each other and who group up with the explicit purpose of grieving what ever player is unlucky enough to be matched with them.
That should be easy enough to recognize with minimum effort on their part. The random group of _____ who just likes to kick people for stupid reasons is going to be a lot harder to deal with. So if that is your point, I won't dispute it.Edited by Jeremy on September 4, 2018 9:58AM0
