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Morrowind/Summerset is a bundle of confusion for new/returning players.
OrbitStorm
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I purchased ESO about two years ago, devoting the first few months post-purchase to ESO with an ESO+ subscription and have played sporadically since then. A few days ago, I purchased a copy of ESO for my wife and we found that Morrowind, and the Warden class, came bundled with her copy. I immediately assumed that this was ZOS's answer to Blizzard's decision to make all expansions prior to their current expansion free and after logging into ESO, I found that I was wrong.
It would cost 5k crowns, which is $40 USD, to purchase both Morrowind and the Warden class. Summerset apparently doesn't include this content despite being the newest expansion. So it appears I am expected to pay $80 to get current with the game, which is absolutely ludicrous when there is also the expectation of paying $15 for extra "DLC". Before the white knights charge in and say "but you don't have to", I know that. I could also be using an iPhone 4 in 2018 but that doesn't seem too logical either, does it?
Is any of this inaccurate in any way? Am I missing something here or is ZOS really this greedy?
FWIW, I'm also aware I could use 1,500 crowns from ESO+ to unlock the Warden class but that feels like a slap in the face when I could apply that to a mount, outfit, or something fun instead of purchasing additional game content that should have come bundled with Summerset (or a discounted rate since Morrowind is outdated).
It would cost 5k crowns, which is $40 USD, to purchase both Morrowind and the Warden class. Summerset apparently doesn't include this content despite being the newest expansion. So it appears I am expected to pay $80 to get current with the game, which is absolutely ludicrous when there is also the expectation of paying $15 for extra "DLC". Before the white knights charge in and say "but you don't have to", I know that. I could also be using an iPhone 4 in 2018 but that doesn't seem too logical either, does it?
Is any of this inaccurate in any way? Am I missing something here or is ZOS really this greedy?
FWIW, I'm also aware I could use 1,500 crowns from ESO+ to unlock the Warden class but that feels like a slap in the face when I could apply that to a mount, outfit, or something fun instead of purchasing additional game content that should have come bundled with Summerset (or a discounted rate since Morrowind is outdated).
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Everstorm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭All the players that didn't leave paid full price, what makes you special? And what makes you think Morrowind is outdated?6 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you already have ESO why do you have to pay $80? While you may not get the Warden class you get Morrowind with the $15 you talked about. Also the update to Summerset is what around $40, so not sure how you are reaching the $80 figure so I can't comment any more because I am not sure what you are trying to buy now.
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There are a few tiers or packages to get Summerset. Maybe you are not looking at the correct package for what you need.
To help you better, what platform are you playing on. Also what do you want exactly. I believe all you need is the "upgrade" package and then get ESO+ since it seems that is what you are going to do anyway and this will give you Morrowind minus the Warden. Yes you will have to pay for the Warden but it's not that bad. Yes it sucks you can't get something else but it's better than paying $80 like you said you were going to do before.
Edited by Davor on September 3, 2018 8:33PMNot my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
OrbitStorm✭✭All the players that didn't leave paid full price, what makes you special? And what makes you think Morrowind is outdated?
Never said anything about being "special". It's just a confusing model given that no other MMO follows said model, least of all by making previous expansions free to new players only. I remember playing just before Imperial City and how dead it was in vanilla zones — the same thing happened to Imperial City when Morrowind dropped. I expect Morrowind is no different now with Summerset out. When researching info on Morrowind/Summerset, I've seen hundreds of posts from other players that share the same consensus: there's no point in Morrowind content for players who owned it pre-Summerset unless they're farming recipes.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
OrbitStorm✭✭If you already have ESO why do you have to pay $80? While you may not get the Warden class you get Morrowind with the $15 you talked about. Also the update to Summerset is what around $40, so not sure how you are reaching the $80 figure so I can't comment any more because I am not sure what you are trying to buy now.
*edit*
There are a few tiers or packages to get Summerset. Maybe you are not looking at the correct package for what you need.
To help you better, what platform are you playing on. Also what do you want exactly. I believe all you need is the "upgrade" package and then get ESO+ since it seems that is what you are going to do anyway and this will give you Morrowind minus the Warden. Yes you will have to pay for the Warden but it's not that bad. Yes it sucks you can't get something else but it's better than paying $80 like you said you were going to do before.
I might be misreading the information available on the store. I've seen conflicting information about Summerset and whether or not it includes Morrowind content at all. To my understanding, it does not. Which means I'd need to pay $40 for Summerset and then an additional $40 for Morrowind + Warden (3,500 and 1,500 crowns respectively).PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OrbitStorm wrote: »Am I missing something here or is ZOS really this greedy?
You missed the several months where ZOS included the entire Morrowind chapter as a pre-purchase bonus for Summerset.
Casual hobbyists usually don't find the best deals because they aren't actively looking for them. And assuming that new content is going to magically drop into your account because another unaffiliated product functions like that is just a faulty comparison.
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iiYuki✭✭✭✭✭Due to scaling all content is relevant no matter your level unlike WoW where Legion is essentially irrelevant now BFA is out. You can also buy the gold edition that gives all dlc before Morrowind. You can also sub to circumvent the need to purchase DLC.Edited by iiYuki on September 3, 2018 9:22PM"Play how you want... unless its not how we intended you to play in which case we'll nerf it".
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Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, WoW bundles all the expansions because they keep increasing the level cap and are all required in order to progress.
ESO DLC, while some of the line up in story sequence, are all just laterally-available zones.
(now, what they did do, was demote Morrowind from a "chapter" to being regular DLC. So if you subscribe to ESO+, you'll get access to it along with all the other zones & dungeons except Summerset. Of course, as part of that re-categorizing, the Warden class was split off as a separate purchase.)Edited by Kiralyn2000 on September 3, 2018 9:52PM1 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭OrbitStorm wrote: »If you already have ESO why do you have to pay $80? While you may not get the Warden class you get Morrowind with the $15 you talked about. Also the update to Summerset is what around $40, so not sure how you are reaching the $80 figure so I can't comment any more because I am not sure what you are trying to buy now.
*edit*
There are a few tiers or packages to get Summerset. Maybe you are not looking at the correct package for what you need.
To help you better, what platform are you playing on. Also what do you want exactly. I believe all you need is the "upgrade" package and then get ESO+ since it seems that is what you are going to do anyway and this will give you Morrowind minus the Warden. Yes you will have to pay for the Warden but it's not that bad. Yes it sucks you can't get something else but it's better than paying $80 like you said you were going to do before.
I might be misreading the information available on the store. I've seen conflicting information about Summerset and whether or not it includes Morrowind content at all. To my understanding, it does not. Which means I'd need to pay $40 for Summerset and then an additional $40 for Morrowind + Warden (3,500 and 1,500 crowns respectively).
I think I understand now. You want to OWN Morrowind. Right now you can get the update for Summerset for $40 and the Warden. You DON'T have to BUY Morrowind now since it's included as DLC. So if you are going to get ESO+ Morrowind is included with it.
SO YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY (not yelling emphasizing to make sure you know not to buy it unless you want to own it.) Morrowind now if you are getting ESO+.
So right now if you want to get what you want it should only be $55. $40 for Summerset and $15 for ESO+. Since you are getting crowns with ESO+ that can be your Warden class right there. Yes it sucks not being able to get something else, but that is what next month is for.
You can save $25 by not buying Morrowind. You have it with ESO+
Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
Watchdog✭✭✭✭✭
✭OrbitStorm wrote: »I purchased ESO about two years ago, devoting the first few months post-purchase to ESO with an ESO+ subscription and have played sporadically since then. A few days ago, I purchased a copy of ESO for my wife and we found that Morrowind, and the Warden class, came bundled with her copy. I immediately assumed that this was ZOS's answer to Blizzard's decision to make all expansions prior to their current expansion free and after logging into ESO, I found that I was wrong.
It would cost 5k crowns, which is $40 USD, to purchase both Morrowind and the Warden class. Summerset apparently doesn't include this content despite being the newest expansion. So it appears I am expected to pay $80 to get current with the game, which is absolutely ludicrous when there is also the expectation of paying $15 for extra "DLC". Before the white knights charge in and say "but you don't have to", I know that. I could also be using an iPhone 4 in 2018 but that doesn't seem too logical either, does it?
Is any of this inaccurate in any way? Am I missing something here or is ZOS really this greedy?
FWIW, I'm also aware I could use 1,500 crowns from ESO+ to unlock the Warden class but that feels like a slap in the face when I could apply that to a mount, outfit, or something fun instead of purchasing additional game content that should have come bundled with Summerset (or a discounted rate since Morrowind is outdated).
Wait for another 50% sale on Steam (I have already seen two such sales since 1sr July) and buy ESO + Morrowind chapter (Warden included) for EUR 10. If you already have the game on Steam, you will need to remove it from your Steam Library prior to the purchase. You won't lose anything ingame, as your game account is not on Steam.Member of Alith Legion: https://www.alithlegion.com0 -
Vizikul✭✭✭✭OrbitStorm wrote: »I could also be using an iPhone 4 in 2018 but that doesn't seem too logical either, does it?
Why not? I'm still using an iPhone 4 and get along just fine.Pugging. Pugging all the way to victory.Imperial Dragonknight --- male, stamina, heavy & medium armor, dual wield, one hand and shield, two handed.
Breton Templar --- female, magicka, light armor, restoration staff.
Redguard Warden --- female, stamina, medium armor, bow.
Breton Sorcerer --- male, magicka, light armor, destruction staff.
Imperial Templar --- male, stamina, medium armor, two handed.
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Sovjet✭✭✭OrbitStorm wrote: »I purchased ESO about two years ago, devoting the first few months post-purchase to ESO with an ESO+ subscription and have played sporadically since then. A few days ago, I purchased a copy of ESO for my wife and we found that Morrowind, and the Warden class, came bundled with her copy. I immediately assumed that this was ZOS's answer to Blizzard's decision to make all expansions prior to their current expansion free and after logging into ESO, I found that I was wrong.
It would cost 5k crowns, which is $40 USD, to purchase both Morrowind and the Warden class. Summerset apparently doesn't include this content despite being the newest expansion. So it appears I am expected to pay $80 to get current with the game, which is absolutely ludicrous when there is also the expectation of paying $15 for extra "DLC". Before the white knights charge in and say "but you don't have to", I know that. I could also be using an iPhone 4 in 2018 but that doesn't seem too logical either, does it?
Is any of this inaccurate in any way? Am I missing something here or is ZOS really this greedy?
FWIW, I'm also aware I could use 1,500 crowns from ESO+ to unlock the Warden class but that feels like a slap in the face when I could apply that to a mount, outfit, or something fun instead of purchasing additional game content that should have come bundled with Summerset (or a discounted rate since Morrowind is outdated).
If you pre-ordered Summerset before it was released, Morrowind would be automatically added for free. Sorry you missed out on that deal.For every player that quits, more will join in my name - Molag Bal 2E 5830 -
OrbitStorm✭✭I think I understand now. You want to OWN Morrowind. Right now you can get the update for Summerset for $40 and the Warden. You DON'T have to BUY Morrowind now since it's included as DLC. So if you are going to get ESO+ Morrowind is included with it.
SO YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY (not yelling emphasizing to make sure you know not to buy it unless you want to own it.) Morrowind now if you are getting ESO+.
So right now if you want to get what you want it should only be $55. $40 for Summerset and $15 for ESO+. Since you are getting crowns with ESO+ that can be your Warden class right there. Yes it sucks not being able to get something else, but that is what next month is for.
You can save $25 by not buying Morrowind. You have it with ESO+
Yeah, I'd prefer to own it. There might be a month (or more) where my wife and I decide not to pay for ESO+ but that wouldn't be an option for me as I'd need to keep my subscription active in order to play alongside her in Morrowind or with a Warden.
So, no, ESO+ isn't a sensible option in my particular case.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
OrbitStorm✭✭Wait for another 50% sale on Steam (I have already seen two such sales since 1sr July) and buy ESO + Morrowind chapter (Warden included) for EUR 10. If you already have the game on Steam, you will need to remove it from your Steam Library prior to the purchase. You won't lose anything ingame, as your game account is not on Steam.
Would much rather not own the game via Steam as I've seen a lot of negative comments about Steam being the middleman for the crown store and how poorly the overlay works with the game. Just not interested in that. Would much rather purchase from the source if it's not exclusively on Steam (e.g. Rainbow Six Siege).PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭OrbitStorm wrote: »I purchased ESO about two years ago, devoting the first few months post-purchase to ESO with an ESO+ subscription and have played sporadically since then. A few days ago, I purchased a copy of ESO for my wife and we found that Morrowind, and the Warden class, came bundled with her copy. I immediately assumed that this was ZOS's answer to Blizzard's decision to make all expansions prior to their current expansion free and after logging into ESO, I found that I was wrong.
It would cost 5k crowns, which is $40 USD, to purchase both Morrowind and the Warden class. Summerset apparently doesn't include this content despite being the newest expansion. So it appears I am expected to pay $80 to get current with the game, which is absolutely ludicrous when there is also the expectation of paying $15 for extra "DLC". Before the white knights charge in and say "but you don't have to", I know that. I could also be using an iPhone 4 in 2018 but that doesn't seem too logical either, does it?
Is any of this inaccurate in any way? Am I missing something here or is ZOS really this greedy?
FWIW, I'm also aware I could use 1,500 crowns from ESO+ to unlock the Warden class but that feels like a slap in the face when I could apply that to a mount, outfit, or something fun instead of purchasing additional game content that should have come bundled with Summerset (or a discounted rate since Morrowind is outdated).
Uh...***...***..You know what they say...nah... never mind...
Maybe if you still had the iPhone 4...you could afford to buy Morrowind...Edited by sevomd69 on September 4, 2018 7:05AM0 -
OrbitStorm✭✭If you pre-ordered Summerset before it was released, Morrowind would be automatically added for free. Sorry you missed out on that deal.
I was never interested in Summerset as I'd rather play at my own pace. I also assumed, albeit incorrectly, that ZOS would follow suit with every other MMO model and previous "expansions" would be available at a discounted price or be packaged with the latest expansion. Instead, they not only kept Morrowind at the original price but they divvied up its content and buried it in the crown store.
I'm less annoyed by the DLC format of Morrowind now and more annoyed that they've packaged Morrowind with new base game purchases while attempting to milk returning players for more money (notably by excluding Wardens from ESO+).
All of this is further compounded by the whole thing being a confusing mess because ZOS is probably the least communicative studio in the MMO market. I've played long enough to know they have some shady practices.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
OrbitStorm✭✭OrbitStorm wrote: »Am I missing something here or is ZOS really this greedy?
You missed the several months where ZOS included the entire Morrowind chapter as a pre-purchase bonus for Summerset.
Casual hobbyists usually don't find the best deals because they aren't actively looking for them. And assuming that new content is going to magically drop into your account because another unaffiliated product functions like that is just a faulty comparison.
It's not about it "magically dropping" into my account. They're giving Morrowind away for free to new players — even players with existing console accounts — but still charging full-price for returning players. If you can't see the confusion and inevitable disappointment in that, then perhaps interacting with new or returning players should be at the bottom of your to-do list.
And for the record, those months weren't "missed", they just weren't relevant to me. We've played on two separate platforms because, until this last month, my wife has predominantly played console only. We just built her a new PC and ESO is finally an option for playing together.Edited by OrbitStorm on September 4, 2018 7:29AMPAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Enkil✭✭✭✭✭
✭Welcome back. I recently returned in April and got Summset and Morrowind as a bundle for around $40. It’s a shame the bundle was limited item and not he standard offering available now to help attract more players. Some that had bought Morrowind at full price were complaining then about having to buy Simmerset at full price too but this is how it goes in ZO$’s idea of the Buy2play model. That are that greedy—yes. One look at the crown store of mostly cosmetic cash cows and even the oldest DLCs still pricey def removes any doubt to the contrary.
Edited by Enkil on September 4, 2018 7:13AM1 -
OrbitStorm✭✭Welcome back. I recently returned in April and got Summset and Morrowind as a bundle for around $40. It’s a shame the bundle was limited item and not he standard offering available now to help attract more players. Some that had bought Morrowind at full price were complaining then about having to buy Simmerset at full price too but this is how it goes in ZO$’s idea of the Buy2play model. That are that greedy—yes. One look at the crown store of mostly cosmetic cash cows and even the oldest DLCs still pricey def removes any doubt to the contrary.
I'm fine with paying full-price for Summerset; it's the latest content. While I don't agree with crown crates and some of the ridiculously-priced cosmetics, that's to be expected too. What I didn't expect is to find the previous expansion to be the same price as the current, much less with one of its biggest features, the Warden class, being gated behind crowns now.
Perhaps all of the brash responses to this thread are just being made by players who learned the hard way long before me and are taking out that deep-seated frustration on every new/returning player who posts threads about this. Perhaps not. Never really did find this community all too inviting anyway, least of all this forum.
Apologies for the quote error earlier too. Corrected that when you alerted me.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Watchdog✭✭✭✭✭
✭OrbitStorm wrote: »Wait for another 50% sale on Steam (I have already seen two such sales since 1sr July) and buy ESO + Morrowind chapter (Warden included) for EUR 10. If you already have the game on Steam, you will need to remove it from your Steam Library prior to the purchase. You won't lose anything ingame, as your game account is not on Steam.
Would much rather not own the game via Steam as I've seen a lot of negative comments about Steam being the middleman for the crown store and how poorly the overlay works with the game. Just not interested in that. Would much rather purchase from the source if it's not exclusively on Steam (e.g. Rainbow Six Siege).
Well, I have never experienced any of the problems that the Steam version has been blamed for. Actually, when I am playing the game, I do not even notice that I bought the game on Steam and that my ESO account is linked to Steam.
I really am not sure all the pitchforks and torches I see around here are justified at all.Member of Alith Legion: https://www.alithlegion.com0