Will we see the ban hammer for the vAS snipers today?

VaranisArano · August 2018

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

It seems that ESO has the most moral and upstanding game population I have ever seen... I'm assuming that all these people castigating all the immoral cheaters...have never cheated on anything in their lives...lol...glass houses and stones and all that jazz...

Well, I don't cheat in multiplayer games and I don't wanna play with cheaters.
Gaming should be fair for everyone who participates. Everyone should be on equal grounds. That's the fundamental thing about games, and that's why cheating, pay to win and other "shortcuts" are usually frowned upon.
Yes, ESO community is very pro-cheating for whatever reason (eh, Skyrim with god mode I guess), but overall it's not something widely accepted amongst gamers and it ruins games when there's too many cheaters.

I suspect the reason for the "pro-cheater" camp is less the fault of Skyrim and more because of the perception that ZOS is inconsistent in their response to exploits and particularly terrible at actually fixing exploits in PVE and PVP.

To follow onto my teacher/classroom rules analogy I've been using. Yeah, the students are breaking the classroom rules and totally deserve the consequences. But there's the perception among the students that Teacher ZOS is terrible at classroom management, so the students get mized messages and don't feel like consequences are fairly applied.

I think ZOS has to get better at exploit fixes and dishing out consequences and if they do I think things will get better, but I don't buy the player excuses for breaking the rules in the interim.

Salvas_Aren · August 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

It seems that ESO has the most moral and upstanding game population I have ever seen... I'm assuming that all these people castigating all the immoral cheaters...have never cheated on anything in their lives...lol...glass houses and stones and all that jazz...

Well, I don't cheat in multiplayer games and I don't wanna play with cheaters.
Gaming should be fair for everyone who participates. Everyone should be on equal grounds. That's the fundamental thing about games, and that's why cheating, pay to win and other "shortcuts" are usually frowned upon.
Yes, ESO community is very pro-cheating for whatever reason (eh, Skyrim with god mode I guess), but overall it's not something widely accepted amongst gamers and it ruins games when there's too many cheaters.

I suspect the reason for the "pro-cheater" camp is less the fault of Skyrim and more because of the perception that ZOS is inconsistent in their response to exploits and particularly terrible at actually fixing exploits in PVE and PVP.

To follow onto my teacher/classroom rules analogy I've been using. Yeah, the students are breaking the classroom rules and totally deserve the consequences. But there's the perception among the students that Teacher ZOS is terrible at classroom management, so the students get mized messages and don't feel like consequences are fairly applied.

I think ZOS has to get better at exploit fixes and dishing out consequences and if they do I think things will get better, but I don't buy the player excuses for breaking the rules in the interim.

Actually it feels like students get punished for spreading garbage in the classroom, but the teacher does not care if they cheat on tests.

No wonder that many players seem to believe that the ToS are a bad joke.

Mister_DMC · August 2018

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

It seems that ESO has the most moral and upstanding game population I have ever seen... I'm assuming that all these people castigating all the immoral cheaters...have never cheated on anything in their lives...lol...glass houses and stones and all that jazz...

Well, I don't cheat in multiplayer games and I don't wanna play with cheaters.
Gaming should be fair for everyone who participates. Everyone should be on equal grounds. That's the fundamental thing about games, and that's why cheating, pay to win and other "shortcuts" are usually frowned upon.
Yes, ESO community is very pro-cheating for whatever reason (eh, Skyrim with god mode I guess), but overall it's not something widely accepted amongst gamers and it ruins games when there's too many cheaters.

I agree with you, cheating ruins any game. Sure it's fun for a little while to have God mode, extra money etc etc but it cheapens the experience and ultimately cuts down on your fun factor rather quickly.

Cheating in multiplayer games is much worse. Take a few of my favorites, Borderlands 2 or Diablo 3. You couldn't play online with the general population at all without rampant cheaters that made all the difficulty irrelevant.

I'm sure Gina will pop on soon enough, Zos doesn't generally comment until they are finished with their decision.

Pink_Violinz · August 2018

LordSkyKnight wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

Not everyone who did that was a worthless ***. I also had several of my friends banned, when a few of them are some of the nicest people I know. Get a better attitude.

It sounds like you make poor choices in choosing friends. If they were good and decent people then they wouldn’t have exploited the game. In my opinion I think his attitude was perfect. I think cheaters should get hammered. As in when a freight train runs into a cow type of hammered

I agree they should have been banned. That being said, no one can claim they have never ever cheated. Prior to being banned, it was exceedingly rare that anyone got perma banned for glitching. People made millions of gold, got Dro-M'athra Destroyer titles, and never saw an extreme punishment. They are all terrified to exploit anything now. Sweeping them under the rug as bad people is short sighted and ignores how ZoS used to treat glitchers.

ZOS_Mika · August 2018

We have recently removed several off topic and bashing comments from this thread. Because the discussion has continued to derail, we will be closing this thread down. Thank you for your understanding.