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Another Patch of NB or go home, GG ZOS
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Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, nightblades are OP right now. But this video is bringing up all the wrong things to be worried about. Its fine if nightblades pull a 3 million HP burst in 50 seconds solo. What is not fine, is the fact that in raids, no other class can compete with nightblades.
You are obviously not reading the forums. NB are the weakest of all classes and are in dire need of buffs (and/or other classes in need of nerfs).
On a more serious note, I find it really frustrating how lethargic ZOS becomes when it comes to NB overperforming. They only even consider balance changes every 3 months. And the balance changes in the last couple of updates have been laughable to non-existing. They always promise us changes for the next update and then postpone them again. ZOS always claim they need more time and that 3 months isn't enough. Think about what happened in the past 3 months. And then consider that ZOS only has to run some simulations and change a few numbers ....3 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Morrowind changes turned combat way too complicated for them to balance.
Before everyone sustained easily and you just needed to fine tune skills to bring classes on par.
After, sustain is different in every class, heavy attacks restoring resources brings issues with off balance, dps loss, etc.
Zos has shot their own feet imoEdited by rafaelcsmaia on August 29, 2018 2:08PM2 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Yes, nightblades are OP right now. But this video is bringing up all the wrong things to be worried about. Its fine if nightblades pull a 3 million HP burst in 50 seconds solo. What is not fine, is the fact that in raids, no other class can compete with nightblades.
You are obviously not reading the forums. NB are the weakest of all classes and are in dire need of buffs (and/or other classes in need of nerfs).
On a more serious note, I find it really frustrating how lethargic ZOS becomes when it comes to NB overperforming. They only even consider balance changes every 3 months. And the balance changes in the last couple of updates have been laughable to non-existing. They always promise us changes for the next update and then postpone them again. ZOS always claim they need more time and that 3 months isn't enough. Think about what happened in the past 3 months. And then consider that ZOS only has to run some simulations and change a few numbers ....
ZOs, always work on hidden agenda. Whos is believing ZOs want to balance the game?
Next update class change token 10K crowns. Deal with it. Class change to NB or 30K crowns. Most other MMOs give it for free every 6 months.Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 29, 2018 2:53PM0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »Morrowind changes turned combat way too complicated for them to balance.
Before everyone sustained easily and you just needed to fine tune skills to bring classes on par.
After, sustain is different in every class, heavy attacks restoring resources brings issues with off balance, dps loss, etc.
Zos has shot their own feet imo
Nope. ZOs very well know what they are doing. It only takes a person with baked intelligence to fix most of the balant & lopsided balance issues.
ZOs, always work on hidden agenda. Whos is believing ZOs want to balance the game?
Next update class change token 10K crowns. Deal with it. Class change to NB or DK 30K crowns. Most other MMOs give it for free every 6 months.Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 30, 2018 1:56PM0 -
Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »ZOs, always work on hidden agenda. Whos is believing ZOs want to balance the game?
Next update class change token 10K crowns. Deal with it. Class change to NB or 30K crowns. Most other MMOs give it for free every 6 months.
Well there are only two explanations for such blatant and long-lasting imbalances:
1) Incompetency
2) Intent
Theoretically there is also a potential third explanation in the form of ignorance / disinterest. But given that ZOS is a profit-seeking company, this explanation is highly unlikely.
Personally, I am leaning towards option number 2, due to how obvious and long-lasting some of the imbalances have been now. As for the reason behind the intent ... well who knows. But I think a good bet would be that a lot of streamers use stamina builds. Streamers make ZOS money (that's why they don't get perma banned for cheating). And as mentioned above ZOS likes money, which is only natural for a company. It is also somewhat of a vicious cycle, as the longer stamina (and especially NBs) outperform other builds the more people will switch to stamina builds and NBs. And ZOS in its desire to maximize profit does not want to upset such a large proportion of its customers. But in doing so even more people will switch to stamina builds and NBs. And the cycle continuous.0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, nightblades are OP right now. But this video is bringing up all the wrong things to be worried about. Its fine if nightblades pull a 3 million HP burst in 50 seconds solo. What is not fine, is the fact that in raids, no other class can compete with nightblades.
You are obviously not reading the forums. NB are the weakest of all classes and are in dire need of buffs (and/or other classes in need of nerfs).
Spoarting that same false narrative i see.Show me one thread from someone saying Nb the weakest class in the game or asking for buffs.
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Magicka******* nightblade or go home
Stamblades don't have enough damge mitigation or heals to be welcome in vet end gameEdited by Katahdin on August 29, 2018 3:48PMBeta tester November 20131 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »It's a 3mil parse with Zaan and a single Channeled Acceleration cast, using a Shock glyph on the back-bar with 66% Minor Vulnerability uptime.
NBs are the strongest PvE class right now but the gap is a bit exaggerated.
I wonder what a magsorc would pull on a 3m dummy with a BSW/MS + Zaan, with a shock glyph backbar and Combat Prayer? I'm guessing it'd be 53k or 54k or so, maybe more.
Why would a Sorc equip BSW with its low uptime for them? BSW on mDK is nice because the damage source the class has is all fire. But Sorc is all lightning with the exception of inferno staff'd Blockade and light attacks from said staff.Its a DPS parse on a dummy Nb should always have higher Dummy parses because they are the only class with access to minor berserk.
Your issues not with Nb its that @ZOS_Finn last couple of trials heavily discourag melee builds which removes 6/8 specs from being invited.Fix that and trials won't be 7-8 magblades.
Yep access to beserk & better sustain = more solo DPS. In trials other classes would see a much bigger DPS increase than a nightblade would.
And yet, mNB will still come out on top and I believe with more gap if my memory serves me correctly.
@IZZEFlameLash
BSW has been BiS on sorcs off and on in the past. Blockade of Fire + flame staff light attacks + flame enchant on the backbar = several sources of flame damage ticking every second, not to mention that Burning/Zaan/Ilambris/Grothdarr can all proc BSW as well. Next you're gonna tell me sorcs shouldn't use Ilambris.
Magblades don't have any additional sources of flame damage beyond that and you're looking at a video of a 57k solo parse on a magblade using BSW with 59% uptime.2 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »It's a 3mil parse with Zaan and a single Channeled Acceleration cast, using a Shock glyph on the back-bar with 66% Minor Vulnerability uptime.
NBs are the strongest PvE class right now but the gap is a bit exaggerated.
I wonder what a magsorc would pull on a 3m dummy with a BSW/MS + Zaan, with a shock glyph backbar and Combat Prayer? I'm guessing it'd be 53k or 54k or so, maybe more.
@LiquidPony I’m seeing about 50k on Sorc without combat prayer, so yeah it should be close to 53k. I think the gap would be bigger on a longer fight though, since NB can sustain a 6 mil while Sorc cannot without sacrificing damage.Edited by WrathOfInnos on August 29, 2018 4:28PM1 -
ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭Welcome to elder nightblades online
Or elder stam wardens online
Take your pick.mDKs still need a lot of love!1 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah it's a burst parse with probably a [snip] ton of crit farming to hit that number. NBs can also better replicate raid situations than other classes.
Give another class berserk, raid sustain, and allow them to farm 100% crit values and you'll see some prettycrazy numbers from a bunch of classes.
[Edit to remove profanity]Edited by [Deleted User] on November 12, 2021 11:35PM1 -
Yes, nightblades are OP right now. But this video is bringing up all the wrong things to be worried about. Its fine if nightblades pull a 3 million HP burst in 50 seconds solo. What is not fine, is the fact that in raids, no other class can compete with nightblades.
You are obviously not reading the forums. NB are the weakest of all classes and are in dire need of buffs (and/or other classes in need of nerfs).
Spoarting that same false narrative i see.Show me one thread from someone saying Nb the weakest class in the game or asking for buffs.
Wait you can't.
He was being sarcastic0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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He wasn't he make dumb post like that every thread he in that talk about any class.Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Yes, nightblades are OP right now. But this video is bringing up all the wrong things to be worried about. Its fine if nightblades pull a 3 million HP burst in 50 seconds solo. What is not fine, is the fact that in raids, no other class can compete with nightblades.
You are obviously not reading the forums. NB are the weakest of all classes and are in dire need of buffs (and/or other classes in need of nerfs).
Spoarting that same false narrative i see.Show me one thread from someone saying Nb the weakest class in the game or asking for buffs.
Wait you can't.
He was being sarcastic
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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He wasn't he make dumb post like that every thread he in that talk about any class.Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Yes, nightblades are OP right now. But this video is bringing up all the wrong things to be worried about. Its fine if nightblades pull a 3 million HP burst in 50 seconds solo. What is not fine, is the fact that in raids, no other class can compete with nightblades.
You are obviously not reading the forums. NB are the weakest of all classes and are in dire need of buffs (and/or other classes in need of nerfs).
Spoarting that same false narrative i see.Show me one thread from someone saying Nb the weakest class in the game or asking for buffs.
Wait you can't.
He was being sarcastic
He's simply sick of ZOS' utter Nightblade bias, as should everyone who takes an objective look at the last three years' balancing.3 -
IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »It's a 3mil parse with Zaan and a single Channeled Acceleration cast, using a Shock glyph on the back-bar with 66% Minor Vulnerability uptime.
NBs are the strongest PvE class right now but the gap is a bit exaggerated.
I wonder what a magsorc would pull on a 3m dummy with a BSW/MS + Zaan, with a shock glyph backbar and Combat Prayer? I'm guessing it'd be 53k or 54k or so, maybe more.
Why would a Sorc equip BSW with its low uptime for them? BSW on mDK is nice because the damage source the class has is all fire. But Sorc is all lightning with the exception of inferno staff'd Blockade and light attacks from said staff.Its a DPS parse on a dummy Nb should always have higher Dummy parses because they are the only class with access to minor berserk.
Your issues not with Nb its that @ZOS_Finn last couple of trials heavily discourag melee builds which removes 6/8 specs from being invited.Fix that and trials won't be 7-8 magblades.
Yep access to beserk & better sustain = more solo DPS. In trials other classes would see a much bigger DPS increase than a nightblade would.
And yet, mNB will still come out on top and I believe with more gap if my memory serves me correctly.
@IZZEFlameLash
BSW has been BiS on sorcs off and on in the past. Blockade of Fire + flame staff light attacks + flame enchant on the backbar = several sources of flame damage ticking every second, not to mention that Burning/Zaan/Ilambris/Grothdarr can all proc BSW as well. Next you're gonna tell me sorcs shouldn't use Ilambris.
Magblades don't have any additional sources of flame damage beyond that and you're looking at a video of a 57k solo parse on a magblade using BSW with 59% uptime.
Never really seen BSW being mentioned on other than for mDK DPS. But alright.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »It's a 3mil parse with Zaan and a single Channeled Acceleration cast, using a Shock glyph on the back-bar with 66% Minor Vulnerability uptime.
NBs are the strongest PvE class right now but the gap is a bit exaggerated.
I wonder what a magsorc would pull on a 3m dummy with a BSW/MS + Zaan, with a shock glyph backbar and Combat Prayer? I'm guessing it'd be 53k or 54k or so, maybe more.
Why would a Sorc equip BSW with its low uptime for them? BSW on mDK is nice because the damage source the class has is all fire. But Sorc is all lightning with the exception of inferno staff'd Blockade and light attacks from said staff.Its a DPS parse on a dummy Nb should always have higher Dummy parses because they are the only class with access to minor berserk.
Your issues not with Nb its that @ZOS_Finn last couple of trials heavily discourag melee builds which removes 6/8 specs from being invited.Fix that and trials won't be 7-8 magblades.
Yep access to beserk & better sustain = more solo DPS. In trials other classes would see a much bigger DPS increase than a nightblade would.
And yet, mNB will still come out on top and I believe with more gap if my memory serves me correctly.
@IZZEFlameLash
BSW has been BiS on sorcs off and on in the past. Blockade of Fire + flame staff light attacks + flame enchant on the backbar = several sources of flame damage ticking every second, not to mention that Burning/Zaan/Ilambris/Grothdarr can all proc BSW as well. Next you're gonna tell me sorcs shouldn't use Ilambris.
Magblades don't have any additional sources of flame damage beyond that and you're looking at a video of a 57k solo parse on a magblade using BSW with 59% uptime.
Never really seen BSW being mentioned on other than for mDK DPS. But alright.
Homestead was all BSW for every magclass"The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭BigBadVolk wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »It's a 3mil parse with Zaan and a single Channeled Acceleration cast, using a Shock glyph on the back-bar with 66% Minor Vulnerability uptime.
NBs are the strongest PvE class right now but the gap is a bit exaggerated.
I wonder what a magsorc would pull on a 3m dummy with a BSW/MS + Zaan, with a shock glyph backbar and Combat Prayer? I'm guessing it'd be 53k or 54k or so, maybe more.
Why would a Sorc equip BSW with its low uptime for them? BSW on mDK is nice because the damage source the class has is all fire. But Sorc is all lightning with the exception of inferno staff'd Blockade and light attacks from said staff.Its a DPS parse on a dummy Nb should always have higher Dummy parses because they are the only class with access to minor berserk.
Your issues not with Nb its that @ZOS_Finn last couple of trials heavily discourag melee builds which removes 6/8 specs from being invited.Fix that and trials won't be 7-8 magblades.
Yep access to beserk & better sustain = more solo DPS. In trials other classes would see a much bigger DPS increase than a nightblade would.
And yet, mNB will still come out on top and I believe with more gap if my memory serves me correctly.
@IZZEFlameLash
BSW has been BiS on sorcs off and on in the past. Blockade of Fire + flame staff light attacks + flame enchant on the backbar = several sources of flame damage ticking every second, not to mention that Burning/Zaan/Ilambris/Grothdarr can all proc BSW as well. Next you're gonna tell me sorcs shouldn't use Ilambris.
Magblades don't have any additional sources of flame damage beyond that and you're looking at a video of a 57k solo parse on a magblade using BSW with 59% uptime.
Never really seen BSW being mentioned on other than for mDK DPS. But alright.
Homestead was all BSW for every magclass
I guess. It's long ago though.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on August 29, 2018 11:16PMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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Lmao people said the same about sorcs before the recent Nerfs.Wrobel plays Sorc so they never touch them.Lets look at the last 3 year shall we.If we do I'm sure your gonna ignore the fact for most of those 3 years NB weren't even invited to trials.Even with minor berserk they were still pulling less damage on Dummies than other classes. Remember what they used to call magblades wanna be sorcs?Many called the weakest spec in the game till a little after Morrowwind when it came to pvp and pve.Lets look at those 3 years We had the pre nerfed VMA DW weapons that dominated on stam and stamblades pulled the weakest DPS along side stamplar.They removed the purge from cloak and broke on and off for years.Still remember when Drizzling swing and other single target attacks broke cloak.It became a meme each patch they said they fixed cloak still broken the next day.NB been the love child for 3 years man must be great being the lowest DPS spec in pve and ability being broken by abilities not designed to break your class defining skill.For most of those 3 years but lets not talk about that.
He wasn't he make dumb post like that every thread he in that talk about any class.Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Yes, nightblades are OP right now. But this video is bringing up all the wrong things to be worried about. Its fine if nightblades pull a 3 million HP burst in 50 seconds solo. What is not fine, is the fact that in raids, no other class can compete with nightblades.
You are obviously not reading the forums. NB are the weakest of all classes and are in dire need of buffs (and/or other classes in need of nerfs).
Spoarting that same false narrative i see.Show me one thread from someone saying Nb the weakest class in the game or asking for buffs.
Wait you can't.
He was being sarcastic
He's simply sick of ZOS' utter Nightblade bias, as should everyone who takes an objective look at the last three years' balancing.
I guess those things make you ZOS love child.
The only thing that has changed for NB in PVP is they fix cloak and madd shade no longer need a LOS check.People acting NB light attacking people for 100k worth of oblivion damage.Edited by KingJ on August 30, 2018 3:30AM8 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NBs have been the dominant PvP class since IC, with not even a handful of exceptions, as the initial Warden. That is huge.
And PvE they have slowly been building up. I wouldn't call the Morrowind era, more than one year out of three, "small".3 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lmao people said the same about sorcs before the recent Nerfs.Wrobel plays Sorc so they never touch them.Lets look at the last 3 year shall we.If we do I'm sure your gonna ignore the fact for most of those 3 years NB weren't even invited to trials.Even with minor berserk they were still pulling less damage on Dummies than other classes. Remember what they used to call magblades wanna be sorcs?Many called the weakest spec in the game till a little after Morrowwind when it came to pvp and pve.Lets look at those 3 years We had the pre nerfed VMA DW weapons that dominated on stam and stamblades pulled the weakest DPS along side stamplar.They removed the purge from cloak and broke on and off for years.Still remember when Drizzling swing and other single target attacks broke cloak.It became a meme each patch they said they fixed cloak still broken the next day.NB been the love child for 3 years man must be great being the lowest DPS spec in pve and ability being broken by abilities not designed to break your class defining skill.For most of those 3 years but lets not talk about that.
I guess those things make you ZOS love child.
The only thing that has changed for NB in PVP is they fix cloak and madd shade no longer need a LOS check.People acting NB light attacking people for 100k worth of oblivion damage.
I agree with you , having 3 years of being useless ia ridiculous in a game, thats the complaint. They shouldn't make the same mistake twice, i myself had a nb i gave up early stages of the game because it was never good at pve, i dont want that to keep happening.
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✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »Lmao people said the same about sorcs before the recent Nerfs.Wrobel plays Sorc so they never touch them.Lets look at the last 3 year shall we.If we do I'm sure your gonna ignore the fact for most of those 3 years NB weren't even invited to trials.Even with minor berserk they were still pulling less damage on Dummies than other classes. Remember what they used to call magblades wanna be sorcs?Many called the weakest spec in the game till a little after Morrowwind when it came to pvp and pve.Lets look at those 3 years We had the pre nerfed VMA DW weapons that dominated on stam and stamblades pulled the weakest DPS along side stamplar.They removed the purge from cloak and broke on and off for years.Still remember when Drizzling swing and other single target attacks broke cloak.It became a meme each patch they said they fixed cloak still broken the next day.NB been the love child for 3 years man must be great being the lowest DPS spec in pve and ability being broken by abilities not designed to break your class defining skill.For most of those 3 years but lets not talk about that.
I guess those things make you ZOS love child.
The only thing that has changed for NB in PVP is they fix cloak and madd shade no longer need a LOS check.People acting NB light attacking people for 100k worth of oblivion damage.
I agree with you , having 3 years of being useless ia ridiculous in a game, thats the complaint. They shouldn't make the same mistake twice, i myself had a nb i gave up early stages of the game because it was never good at pve, i dont want that to keep happening.
Yeah I made multiple nightblades when the game was 1st released on console
@Sparr0w so I get the notification
Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+DD: All Mag + StamPC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
Tank: NB | DK | Warden
Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GHDD: All Mag + Stam
Heal: Templar | Sorc
Tank: DK | NB
Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Magicka******* nightblade or go home
Stamblades don't have enough damge mitigation or heals to be welcome in vet end game
What ? stamblades no damage migitation. L2P to roll dodge & shuffle. Shuffle directly migitates 20 percent of all incoming damage and snares applied in addtition to complete immunity to after effects including CC. Far better than light armor shields in put the numbers alone for higher duration with low resource costs. In addtion to that cload directly dodges all direct attacks , including after effects including CC.
How you poeple put something in forums which is blalant outright lie ? Please ask ZOs to give free class change token every 6 months. They dont need to balance any ***.Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 30, 2018 2:02PM0 -
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✭✭@Priyasekarssk , shuffle doesn't mitigate 20% of incoming damage. It mitigates 15% of incoming (dodgeable) attacks, it's a different thing. And in PvE (don't forget the talk is about PvE here), it's nowhere near as good as light armor shields, because you don't control which attack to mitigate, and never know in advance which will go through to kill you. And it's nowhere near good in terms of resource costs, because to make Shuffle work, you keep it up during combat, and it's ~350 effective missing regen (a bit less with passives, but not by a whole lot).4 -
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✭✭Oh look someone else who only talks about PvE and not the other elements of the game.
PvE will nearly always be go meta or go home. Asking for ZOS to fix this is pretty close to unreasonable. Sure we can bring other classes up a bit but even so that's just how PvE works in nearly every game.
Doing anything else requires some imagination on the part of the user, that's part of what makes it admirable.Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »Involved a bit of luck (100% of Impale and Assasin's Will are critical strikes, 5% above predicted on light attacks too) and probably not sustainable on a dummy with more health (regen 1251 versus drain 1645), but yes, with blue food it's quite impressive.
I also don't like the argument of "reward for difficulty". Leaving aside how difficult it is, the very fact of such discrepancy shouldn't exist in first place. One class has option of utilizing more complex technique for far better result (e.g. just scales better with player skill), while other classes are hard-capped by simply not having anything like that in their repertoire, so no amount of player skill can push it much higher. Maybe it's about time combat design team actually started to do that combat design thing with some more classes.
A bit of luck
Three hardest hitting abilities criting 100% lol.
With 77% crit chance actuall chance to get all of those hits on crit is pretty high.0 -
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False again but your bias so i understand why you would say that.With the removal of purge on cloak magblade was considered dead for everything but bombing.With cloak being broken off and on for those last three years.Lets look at the most DOMINANT PVP class since IC claim shall we.Stamblades were nice in IC cloak finally worked after the first year of the game being out it just flat out didn't work.We had 20 second shield's sorcs who and i believe at the time streak hadn't been nerfed yet.We also had Black rose DK.During that time incap and Dawnbreaker both dealt magic damage. Hey NB dominated even when they were other classes and spec better.A good chunk of those 3 years cloak also didn't work.I can name multiple patches NB wasn't top dog in pve or pvp but you got selective memory.NBs have been the dominant PvP class since IC, with not even a handful of exceptions, as the initial Warden. That is huge.
And PvE they have slowly been building up. I wouldn't call the Morrowind era, more than one year out of three, "small".
I will say NB had always been good solo open world but I'm sure your gonna ignore the Fact they sucked when it came to Dueling,Large scale and small group at the time they still bad large scale and small group now.
Nb are strong now i agree are they unbeatable no do they pulled 10k more dps than the other specs no they don't. Is the only reason trials are 7/8 Magblades DPS because ZOS sucks at their job yes yes they do.
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In this case its not even Meta keeping other classes out its ZOS design team.You have to go range or your dead in hard mode Asylum and Cloudrest.Stam can't pull the DPs needed at range and don't have the survivability.Magdk are pulling close to Magblades but they are melee and are in the same boat as stam spec.Oh look someone else who only talks about PvE and not the other elements of the game.
PvE will nearly always be go meta or go home. Asking for ZOS to fix this is pretty close to unreasonable. Sure we can bring other classes up a bit but even so that's just how PvE works in nearly every game.
Doing anything else requires some imagination on the part of the user, that's part of what makes it admirable.
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✭✭@Juhasow , we're talking about 17 independent events here. So, probability to have them all as crits is, I believe, 0.0117, or about one parse out of 85. That's pretty low in my book. ^^ Granted, it's not black and white, a few non-crits wouldn't make the parse plummet too hard.0 -
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✭✭fix sustain for the other classes and look at the magblades offhealing; there, trial scene fixed.Cleared Trials:
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✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »It's a 3mil parse with Zaan and a single Channeled Acceleration cast, using a Shock glyph on the back-bar with 66% Minor Vulnerability uptime.
NBs are the strongest PvE class right now but the gap is a bit exaggerated.
I wonder what a magsorc would pull on a 3m dummy with a BSW/MS + Zaan, with a shock glyph backbar and Combat Prayer? I'm guessing it'd be 53k or 54k or so, maybe more.
Why would a Sorc equip BSW with its low uptime for them? BSW on mDK is nice because the damage source the class has is all fire. But Sorc is all lightning with the exception of inferno staff'd Blockade and light attacks from said staff.Its a DPS parse on a dummy Nb should always have higher Dummy parses because they are the only class with access to minor berserk.
Your issues not with Nb its that @ZOS_Finn last couple of trials heavily discourag melee builds which removes 6/8 specs from being invited.Fix that and trials won't be 7-8 magblades.
Yep access to beserk & better sustain = more solo DPS. In trials other classes would see a much bigger DPS increase than a nightblade would.
And yet, mNB will still come out on top and I believe with more gap if my memory serves me correctly.
@IZZEFlameLash
BSW has been BiS on sorcs off and on in the past. Blockade of Fire + flame staff light attacks + flame enchant on the backbar = several sources of flame damage ticking every second, not to mention that Burning/Zaan/Ilambris/Grothdarr can all proc BSW as well. Next you're gonna tell me sorcs shouldn't use Ilambris.
Magblades don't have any additional sources of flame damage beyond that and you're looking at a video of a 57k solo parse on a magblade using BSW with 59% uptime.
Never really seen BSW being mentioned on other than for mDK DPS. But alright.
@IZZEFlameLash the OP here is a magblade using BSW ...
Current meta for magblade/magsorc is some combination of Siroria, Mother's Sorrow, BSW (and Master Architect for the magblades). Depends on content, Major Force uptime, and group comp.
When Clockwork City dropped, most groups were running half of their magblades in Master Architect and the other half in BSW.
When Morrowind dropped and fixed the Scathing Mage/Twisting Path bug, BSW was the set of choice for ranged magblades.
Homestead was basically "as many magsorcs running BSW in the group as possible".
Honestly I feel like I've spent half of my time in ESO farming City of Ash I for BSW and I've never played a magDK. It has been at or near the top of the pile for most magicka DPS builds for about as long as I can remember.3