Will we see the ban hammer for the vAS snipers today?

MilwaukeeScott · August 2018

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

Chrysa1is · August 2018

This is old. They banned loads of people for exploiting the AS boss ay the start, so surely the same will happen again.

HighKinlady · August 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

firedrgn · August 2018

Snipers. Whats this all about?

Asking for a friend of a firends 3rd cousin.

OGLezard · August 2018

Arthg wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

Arthg wrote: »

Yeah, totally, cheaters should get a free pass because they're somebody's friends.

Lots of streamers violated the tos and zos unbanned them....... just saying, and zos even interviewed some of them

I was being sarcastic, and your post illustrates my point (thanks for the info, by the way, I didn't know).

I lost all faith and trust in ZOS's way to handle these things after the shooting-star-spamming summer in NA two years ago.

Good ol zazeer, forever tamriels hero. When everyone said cheat engine wasnt possible at all and that NO ONE was using it, even when those infinite resource/builds that would reduce damage to 3..... were a thing...

He showed us that cheat engine was actually a thing by his glorious show of unlimited meteor spam.

Many hate him for doing that, I actually think he is flipping amazing for it.

To the point though, sarcastic or not; If zos likes you you will only ever get a slap on the wrist.

I really want zos to start moderating the game equally even for simple exploits no matter who does it. Not just heavy handed iron fist style moderation of the forums.

If the game was moderated as heavily as the freaking forums, bots would be gone, exploiters would stop for a bit, other things I wont say wouldnt happen anymore.

The game would literally be better. But they only care about the forums lolol

SilverWF · August 2018

What was happened btw?

zaria · August 2018

LordSkyKnight wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

Not everyone who did that was a worthless ***. I also had several of my friends banned, when a few of them are some of the nicest people I know. Get a better attitude.

It sounds like you make poor choices in choosing friends. If they were good and decent people then they wouldn’t have exploited the game. In my opinion I think his attitude was perfect. I think cheaters should get hammered. As in when a freight train runs into a cow type of hammered

Agree, at lest not in an way they know would be looked into hard, its not something everybody did like farm switching in Cyrodil, who was also only against the spirit of PvP (you are not supposed to cooperate with the enemy to farm AP)

Read an tale of an guy in WOW who got an item he missed from an GM because of an glitch in an raid.
Except that the GM gave away the wrong item, he gave an GM only item who one shot everything including trial bosses.

This was an pretty causual raid guild, in ESO they done the vet craglorn trials and work on vMoL.

That did they do, obviously they went to an new raid who was not cleared by anybody yet and did an no death speed run.
Not imagine this would raise some alarms. Group was obviously perma-banned.

In short don't mess around on the top level raids, its so easy to find who cheated as all who does vAS+2 has an long trial history or getting carried by 11 who has.

AbysmalGhul · August 2018

If people have to cheat or pay to get the skin, let them. Who cares....this seems to only affect people who weren't invited to the BBQ . Don't call the cops, just keep walking away.

I personally wouldn't exploit or pay for the skin because that's just my preference. I can see if it directly affects you in PVP if someone were to use cheat codes to be immortal and cause one shot deaths , but it doesn't....

I've even seen people cry about duping in the last Dragon Age game. A game that wasn't even a MMO. It was single player game. The tears eventually got it patched....lord knows why.

XxCaLxX · August 2018

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

If people have to cheat or pay to get the skin, let them. Who cares....this seems to only affect people who weren't invited to the BBQ . Don't call the cops, just keep walking away.

I personally wouldn't exploit or pay for the skin because that's just my preference. I can see if it directly affects you in PVP if someone were to use cheat codes to be immortal and cause one shot deaths , but it doesn't....

I've even seen people cry about duping in the last Dragon Age game. A game that wasn't even a MMO. It was single player game. The tears eventually got it patched....lord knows why.

There’s a lot of ppl that care. I care. When you see 10-15 ppl in any given zone wearing a skin they got by paying for or exploiting for them it devalues it and just makes it less worthy to achieve. Who wants to actually complete a trial to earn a skin then walk with those that got it by an exploit? Paying for carries is different. I don’t like it but at least there not exploiting it. Instead of asking who cares you should ask why complain? I can complain about it til ESO is no more and even if ZOS does do another ban those same ppl just hop on another account sell their exploit and mail gold to their main account. It isn’t going to stop. I know there are measures that could be taken to prevent it but as long as the $$ is rolling in why would they waste time doing it.

VaranisArano · August 2018

A. Its not just the cosmetic. Its the weapon as well. That's the part that definitely has an impact on other players, whatever you think about the cosmetic. If you wanted it, why not join a trial run where the boss fights are done legitimately?

B. Yeah, I'm kind of a stickler about the rules. I think that's partly because I'm a teacher. I wish ZOS did a better job of fixing exploits and fairly enforcing consequences for the exploits that do occur. But I give pretty short shrift to excuses like "Its just a cosmetic" or "It doesn't really matter that I broke the TOS". You knew the rules, you agreed to the rules, the rules aren't unfair or too hard for you to follow. So cut the excuses. People broke the rules because they wanted a pretty cosmetic and a good weaponmuch easier than intended. They chose to do that knowingly and they can get with the consequences of getting caught. At the very least, I don't think they deserve to keep what they gained from breaking the rules.

Weesacs · August 2018

I believe those who exploited vAS and got a suspension lost the skin but kept the achievement. Not a big issue to most folk however as an achievement *** myself who has friendly in-game races with fellow guild members to reach milestones they essentially now have 50 extra achievement points which ill probably never get. Everything should have been reverted back imo.

AbysmalGhul · August 2018

XxCaLxX wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

If people have to cheat or pay to get the skin, let them. Who cares....this seems to only affect people who weren't invited to the BBQ . Don't call the cops, just keep walking away.

I personally wouldn't exploit or pay for the skin because that's just my preference. I can see if it directly affects you in PVP if someone were to use cheat codes to be immortal and cause one shot deaths , but it doesn't....

I've even seen people cry about duping in the last Dragon Age game. A game that wasn't even a MMO. It was single player game. The tears eventually got it patched....lord knows why.

There’s a lot of ppl that care. I care. When you see 10-15 ppl in any given zone wearing a skin they got by paying for or exploiting for them it devalues it and just makes it less worthy to achieve. Who wants to actually complete a trial to earn a skin then walk with those that got it by an exploit? Paying for carries is different. I don’t like it but at least there not exploiting it. Instead of asking who cares you should ask why complain? I can complain about it til ESO is no more and even if ZOS does do another ban those same ppl just hop on another account sell their exploit and mail gold to their main account. It isn’t going to stop. I know there are measures that could be taken to prevent it but as long as the $$ is rolling in why would they waste time doing it.

Well, you're right about one thing. I should've asked why complain instead of who cares. I really don't see how observing others wearing the skin regardless of how they obtained it deemed less worthy to achieve. I've worked hard to earn every skin I have. It was a great feeling to unlock them because of the anticipation, want, and watching my hard work pay off in the end.

Regardless of how people obtained the various skins in the game, I know I worked for them and it makes proud that I have the actual ability to earn them. Nobody can take that away from me. You and I differ because I don't place values on what everyone else has or how they got it, but rather, I place value on achieving things through hard work.

Azicah · August 2018

They probably won’t ban them at all. ZOS doesn’t really care, as they failed to ban/suspend players who got the skin by exploiting. Last time they placed bans based on the amount of damage Caltrops were produced, so people who didn’t use the skill at all and just decided to Light Attack the boss, they’ll get the skin. Kinda just shows how incompetent ZOS is with this kind of thing, as exploiters were still running around with the skin. They failed to ban the majority of the players, and they failed to fix it completely and properly before. Now, they have a new wave to deal with.

And the thing is that most of them will probably not be banned.

ZOS_JesC · August 2018

Greetings, we've removed several comments that were baiting. Please keep comments on topic and civil. It is fine to disagree but personal insults are never permitted. Thank you.

XGCAlbatr0ss · August 2018

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See this is the mentality everyone has right now. They dont fear that anything will happen to them. This is not right and not fair to the players who commited time and energy to legitimately complete the content. Something needs to be done about this ASAP. Please this is getting out of hand. The only response weve gotten is that you guys have removed a few comments? Come on this is getting ridiculous. I feel like were straight up being ignored.

Valrien · August 2018

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See this is the mentality everyone has right now. They dont fear that anything will happen to them. This is not right and not fair to the players who commited time and energy to legitimately complete the content. Something needs to be done about this ASAP. Please this is getting out of hand. The only response weve gotten is that you guys have removed a few comments? Come on this is getting ridiculous. I feel like were straight up being ignored.

To be fair, other people cheesing what you worked for means 2 things:
-You did unnecessary work, assuming there is no real punishment
-The work other players did not put in does not diminish the work that you did put in

Maelstrom is braindead easy for some people, for example. If it is hard for you, then the fact that others find it easy should not diminish the sense of accomplishment that you felt completing this content.

XGCAlbatr0ss · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See this is the mentality everyone has right now. They dont fear that anything will happen to them. This is not right and not fair to the players who commited time and energy to legitimately complete the content. Something needs to be done about this ASAP. Please this is getting out of hand. The only response weve gotten is that you guys have removed a few comments? Come on this is getting ridiculous. I feel like were straight up being ignored.

To be fair, other people cheesing what you worked for means 2 things:
-You did unnecessary work, assuming there is no real punishment
-The work other players did not put in does not diminish the work that you did put in

Maelstrom is braindead easy for some people, for example. If it is hard for you, then the fact that others find it easy should not diminish the sense of accomplishment that you felt completing this content.

It does though, if someone finds this trial "easy" and can complete it no problem legitmately than that is no problem whatsoever hats off to them. My issue is people are using an EXPLOIT to complete something that i would say 90% of the playerbase cant complete. Thats where my issue lies. Cheaters are cheaters and there is no other way around that. Put it how you will but thats the root of the issue.

Valrien · August 2018

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See this is the mentality everyone has right now. They dont fear that anything will happen to them. This is not right and not fair to the players who commited time and energy to legitimately complete the content. Something needs to be done about this ASAP. Please this is getting out of hand. The only response weve gotten is that you guys have removed a few comments? Come on this is getting ridiculous. I feel like were straight up being ignored.

To be fair, other people cheesing what you worked for means 2 things:
-You did unnecessary work, assuming there is no real punishment
-The work other players did not put in does not diminish the work that you did put in

Maelstrom is braindead easy for some people, for example. If it is hard for you, then the fact that others find it easy should not diminish the sense of accomplishment that you felt completing this content.

It does though, if someone finds this trial "easy" and can complete it no problem legitmately than that is no problem whatsoever hats off to them. My issue is people are using an EXPLOIT to complete something that i would say 90% of the playerbase cant complete. Thats where my issue lies. Cheaters are cheaters and there is no other way around that. Put it how you will but thats the root of the issue.

I dont think cheating is okay by any means, but you still haven't explained how it affects YOU. For example, you know you did it legit. You have that self-satisfaction...they do not.

Cheating is bad, and that alone is a reason to condemn it...but saying that it makes your achievments have less value is nonsense.

XGCAlbatr0ss · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See this is the mentality everyone has right now. They dont fear that anything will happen to them. This is not right and not fair to the players who commited time and energy to legitimately complete the content. Something needs to be done about this ASAP. Please this is getting out of hand. The only response weve gotten is that you guys have removed a few comments? Come on this is getting ridiculous. I feel like were straight up being ignored.

To be fair, other people cheesing what you worked for means 2 things:
-You did unnecessary work, assuming there is no real punishment
-The work other players did not put in does not diminish the work that you did put in

Maelstrom is braindead easy for some people, for example. If it is hard for you, then the fact that others find it easy should not diminish the sense of accomplishment that you felt completing this content.

It does though, if someone finds this trial "easy" and can complete it no problem legitmately than that is no problem whatsoever hats off to them. My issue is people are using an EXPLOIT to complete something that i would say 90% of the playerbase cant complete. Thats where my issue lies. Cheaters are cheaters and there is no other way around that. Put it how you will but thats the root of the issue.

I dont think cheating is okay by any means, but you still haven't explained how it affects YOU. For example, you know you did it legit. You have that self-satisfaction...they do not.

Cheating is bad, and that alone is a reason to condemn it...but saying that it makes your achievments have less value is nonsense.

Want to know how it affects me? Ill explain.

First and foremost ill say that my own sense of accomplishment of this achievement was not affected whatsoever you are correct. However, when people in the game see me wearing the skin. Lets say in a dungeon, in craglorn, in pvp etc.... and start asking me questions like "does siege shield still work?" or "caltrops OP" or whisper me linking "keep wall repair kits" basically all implying that i didnt do it legitmately is quite aggravating. Especially knowing how much time was put in.

So in a sense, i know what your next statements going to be. Yes essentially it affects my bragging rights. But like i said previously, the only thing that i am arguing is that cheaters are getting away with murder and this should not be the case. Cheaters should be punished. And the issue needs to be fixed to prevent it from happening again.

Valrien · August 2018

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See this is the mentality everyone has right now. They dont fear that anything will happen to them. This is not right and not fair to the players who commited time and energy to legitimately complete the content. Something needs to be done about this ASAP. Please this is getting out of hand. The only response weve gotten is that you guys have removed a few comments? Come on this is getting ridiculous. I feel like were straight up being ignored.

To be fair, other people cheesing what you worked for means 2 things:
-You did unnecessary work, assuming there is no real punishment
-The work other players did not put in does not diminish the work that you did put in

Maelstrom is braindead easy for some people, for example. If it is hard for you, then the fact that others find it easy should not diminish the sense of accomplishment that you felt completing this content.

It does though, if someone finds this trial "easy" and can complete it no problem legitmately than that is no problem whatsoever hats off to them. My issue is people are using an EXPLOIT to complete something that i would say 90% of the playerbase cant complete. Thats where my issue lies. Cheaters are cheaters and there is no other way around that. Put it how you will but thats the root of the issue.

I dont think cheating is okay by any means, but you still haven't explained how it affects YOU. For example, you know you did it legit. You have that self-satisfaction...they do not.

Cheating is bad, and that alone is a reason to condemn it...but saying that it makes your achievments have less value is nonsense.

Want to know how it affects me? Ill explain.

First and foremost ill say that my own sense of accomplishment of this achievement was not affected whatsoever you are correct. However, when people in the game see me wearing the skin. Lets say in a dungeon, in craglorn, in pvp etc.... and start asking me questions like "does siege shield still work?" or "caltrops OP" or whisper me linking "keep wall repair kits" basically all implying that i didnt do it legitmately is quite aggravating. Especially knowing how much time was put in.

So in a sense, i know what your next statements going to be. Yes essentially it affects my bragging rights. But like i said previously, the only thing that i am arguing is that cheaters are getting away with murder and this should not be the case. Cheaters should be punished. And the issue needs to be fixed to prevent it from happening again.

See? Harassment and cheating for cheatings sake are legitimate arguments. Personal ego and bragging rights are not.

That's essentially what I was looking for from you. Ego and bragging rights are not legitimate arguments against this. If you have a sure sense of self and do not need the approval of others, you know what you did. But what you describe is indeed an issue.

XGCAlbatr0ss · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See this is the mentality everyone has right now. They dont fear that anything will happen to them. This is not right and not fair to the players who commited time and energy to legitimately complete the content. Something needs to be done about this ASAP. Please this is getting out of hand. The only response weve gotten is that you guys have removed a few comments? Come on this is getting ridiculous. I feel like were straight up being ignored.

To be fair, other people cheesing what you worked for means 2 things:
-You did unnecessary work, assuming there is no real punishment
-The work other players did not put in does not diminish the work that you did put in

Maelstrom is braindead easy for some people, for example. If it is hard for you, then the fact that others find it easy should not diminish the sense of accomplishment that you felt completing this content.

It does though, if someone finds this trial "easy" and can complete it no problem legitmately than that is no problem whatsoever hats off to them. My issue is people are using an EXPLOIT to complete something that i would say 90% of the playerbase cant complete. Thats where my issue lies. Cheaters are cheaters and there is no other way around that. Put it how you will but thats the root of the issue.

I dont think cheating is okay by any means, but you still haven't explained how it affects YOU. For example, you know you did it legit. You have that self-satisfaction...they do not.

Cheating is bad, and that alone is a reason to condemn it...but saying that it makes your achievments have less value is nonsense.

Want to know how it affects me? Ill explain.

First and foremost ill say that my own sense of accomplishment of this achievement was not affected whatsoever you are correct. However, when people in the game see me wearing the skin. Lets say in a dungeon, in craglorn, in pvp etc.... and start asking me questions like "does siege shield still work?" or "caltrops OP" or whisper me linking "keep wall repair kits" basically all implying that i didnt do it legitmately is quite aggravating. Especially knowing how much time was put in.

So in a sense, i know what your next statements going to be. Yes essentially it affects my bragging rights. But like i said previously, the only thing that i am arguing is that cheaters are getting away with murder and this should not be the case. Cheaters should be punished. And the issue needs to be fixed to prevent it from happening again.

See? Harassment and cheating for cheatings sake are legitimate arguments. Personal ego and bragging rights are not.

That's essentially what I was looking for from you. Ego and bragging rights are not legitimate arguments against this. If you have a sure sense of self and do not need the approval of others, you know what you did. But what you describe is indeed an issue.

Good so now you can see why i am pushing this and hopefully can agree with me that something indeed needs to be done.

sevomd69 · August 2018

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See this is the mentality everyone has right now. They dont fear that anything will happen to them. This is not right and not fair to the players who commited time and energy to legitimately complete the content. Something needs to be done about this ASAP. Please this is getting out of hand. The only response weve gotten is that you guys have removed a few comments? Come on this is getting ridiculous. I feel like were straight up being ignored.

To be fair, other people cheesing what you worked for means 2 things:
-You did unnecessary work, assuming there is no real punishment
-The work other players did not put in does not diminish the work that you did put in

Maelstrom is braindead easy for some people, for example. If it is hard for you, then the fact that others find it easy should not diminish the sense of accomplishment that you felt completing this content.

It does though, if someone finds this trial "easy" and can complete it no problem legitmately than that is no problem whatsoever hats off to them. My issue is people are using an EXPLOIT to complete something that i would say 90% of the playerbase cant complete. Thats where my issue lies. Cheaters are cheaters and there is no other way around that. Put it how you will but thats the root of the issue.

I dont think cheating is okay by any means, but you still haven't explained how it affects YOU. For example, you know you did it legit. You have that self-satisfaction...they do not.

Cheating is bad, and that alone is a reason to condemn it...but saying that it makes your achievments have less value is nonsense.

Want to know how it affects me? Ill explain.

First and foremost ill say that my own sense of accomplishment of this achievement was not affected whatsoever you are correct. However, when people in the game see me wearing the skin. Lets say in a dungeon, in craglorn, in pvp etc.... and start asking me questions like "does siege shield still work?" or "caltrops OP" or whisper me linking "keep wall repair kits" basically all implying that i didnt do it legitmately is quite aggravating. Especially knowing how much time was put in.

So in a sense, i know what your next statements going to be. Yes essentially it affects my bragging rights. But like i said previously, the only thing that i am arguing is that cheaters are getting away with murder and this should not be the case. Cheaters should be punished. And the issue needs to be fixed to prevent it from happening again.

The bolded statement seems a little disingenuous...if it wasn't affected whatsoever...you wouldn't be qq'ing about in a forum... Why do you care about what people that you don't know and probably will never meet in real life think about your accomplishment that you know you got legitimately?

XGCAlbatr0ss · August 2018

sevomd69 wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See this is the mentality everyone has right now. They dont fear that anything will happen to them. This is not right and not fair to the players who commited time and energy to legitimately complete the content. Something needs to be done about this ASAP. Please this is getting out of hand. The only response weve gotten is that you guys have removed a few comments? Come on this is getting ridiculous. I feel like were straight up being ignored.

To be fair, other people cheesing what you worked for means 2 things:
-You did unnecessary work, assuming there is no real punishment
-The work other players did not put in does not diminish the work that you did put in

Maelstrom is braindead easy for some people, for example. If it is hard for you, then the fact that others find it easy should not diminish the sense of accomplishment that you felt completing this content.

It does though, if someone finds this trial "easy" and can complete it no problem legitmately than that is no problem whatsoever hats off to them. My issue is people are using an EXPLOIT to complete something that i would say 90% of the playerbase cant complete. Thats where my issue lies. Cheaters are cheaters and there is no other way around that. Put it how you will but thats the root of the issue.

I dont think cheating is okay by any means, but you still haven't explained how it affects YOU. For example, you know you did it legit. You have that self-satisfaction...they do not.

Cheating is bad, and that alone is a reason to condemn it...but saying that it makes your achievments have less value is nonsense.

Want to know how it affects me? Ill explain.

First and foremost ill say that my own sense of accomplishment of this achievement was not affected whatsoever you are correct. However, when people in the game see me wearing the skin. Lets say in a dungeon, in craglorn, in pvp etc.... and start asking me questions like "does siege shield still work?" or "caltrops OP" or whisper me linking "keep wall repair kits" basically all implying that i didnt do it legitmately is quite aggravating. Especially knowing how much time was put in.

So in a sense, i know what your next statements going to be. Yes essentially it affects my bragging rights. But like i said previously, the only thing that i am arguing is that cheaters are getting away with murder and this should not be the case. Cheaters should be punished. And the issue needs to be fixed to prevent it from happening again.

The bolded statement seems a little disingenuous...if it wasn't affected whatsoever...you wouldn't be qq'ing about in a forum... Why do you care about what people that you don't know and probably will never meet in real life think about your accomplishment that you know you got legitimately?

No, my own sense of accomplishment has not been affected. But what gets me is that people can get the same achievement by cheating and not putting in the same or close to the same amount of effort than i did and as did many others. Plain and simple, im pissed of because people are cheating and thats the bottom line.

LadyNalcarya · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

@zos

So if I go ahead and snipe/caltrop my way to the vas skin I don't have to worry about a ban?

I don't have it yet and this is tempting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See this is the mentality everyone has right now. They dont fear that anything will happen to them. This is not right and not fair to the players who commited time and energy to legitimately complete the content. Something needs to be done about this ASAP. Please this is getting out of hand. The only response weve gotten is that you guys have removed a few comments? Come on this is getting ridiculous. I feel like were straight up being ignored.

To be fair, other people cheesing what you worked for means 2 things:
-You did unnecessary work, assuming there is no real punishment
-The work other players did not put in does not diminish the work that you did put in

Maelstrom is braindead easy for some people, for example. If it is hard for you, then the fact that others find it easy should not diminish the sense of accomplishment that you felt completing this content.

It does though, if someone finds this trial "easy" and can complete it no problem legitmately than that is no problem whatsoever hats off to them. My issue is people are using an EXPLOIT to complete something that i would say 90% of the playerbase cant complete. Thats where my issue lies. Cheaters are cheaters and there is no other way around that. Put it how you will but thats the root of the issue.

I dont think cheating is okay by any means, but you still haven't explained how it affects YOU. For example, you know you did it legit. You have that self-satisfaction...they do not.

Cheating is bad, and that alone is a reason to condemn it...but saying that it makes your achievments have less value is nonsense.

It affects the community in a way. People see that exploiters go unpunished, and they are more likely to abuse any other exploits they find instead of reporting them.
It's also not very nice when people see your title/skin/whatever and automatically assume you're a cheater. I've met a few people who migrated from consoles, and they said that they were sometimes accused in cheating because they had vMA or trial titles at low cp.

HighKinlady · August 2018

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Wreuntzylla · August 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

A. Its not just the cosmetic. Its the weapon as well. That's the part that definitely has an impact on other players, whatever you think about the cosmetic. If you wanted it, why not join a trial run where the boss fights are done legitimately?

B. Yeah, I'm kind of a stickler about the rules. I think that's partly because I'm a teacher. I wish ZOS did a better job of fixing exploits and fairly enforcing consequences for the exploits that do occur. But I give pretty short shrift to excuses like "Its just a cosmetic" or "It doesn't really matter that I broke the TOS". You knew the rules, you agreed to the rules, the rules aren't unfair or too hard for you to follow. So cut the excuses. People broke the rules because they wanted a pretty cosmetic and a good weaponmuch easier than intended. They chose to do that knowingly and they can get with the consequences of getting caught. At the very least, I don't think they deserve to keep what they gained from breaking the rules.

It's not about rules. It's about moral character.

Cheating because you think you won't get caught demonstrates situational ethics. Take away social or legal repercussions and there may be no limit to what some people would do. In fact, there are a slew of studies spanning decades that ask the seemingly most upstanding, moral people whether they would commit certain crimes in the absence of social and legal repercussions. The results perfectly explain why every time a mass murderer, serial killer or serial *** is caught, all their neighbors say, 'oh my, they were so kind and gentle, they would never hurt a fly!'

So no, you can't both apply situational ethics and be a good person. Being a good person does not equate to behaving according to societal norms for fear of being punished. Rather, it equates to continuous moral behavior even if you know you will never get caught.

Let me add the following for that inevitable person that jumps in and says, 'oh come on, it's just cheating in a video game.'

https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/bernie-madoff-explains-himself

starkerealm · August 2018

Weesacs wrote: »

I believe those who exploited vAS and got a suspension lost the skin but kept the achievement. Not a big issue to most folk however as an achievement *** myself who has friendly in-game races with fellow guild members to reach milestones they essentially now have 50 extra achievement points which ill probably never get. Everything should have been reverted back imo.

If that's correct, then that is subtly vicious. As I recall, the skin unlock is tied to earning the achievement. Even if they completed the trial legitimately later, they would not re-earn the skin.

Again, if accurate, that's a nice, "**** you," to the people who exploited.

I understand your position, but you can just dock them the 50 points they earned that way. You can rest assured that even if you do go into endgame content some day, they'll never have that skin, unless they start practicing on an alt, and abandon their achievement race.

VaranisArano · August 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

A. Its not just the cosmetic. Its the weapon as well. That's the part that definitely has an impact on other players, whatever you think about the cosmetic. If you wanted it, why not join a trial run where the boss fights are done legitimately?

B. Yeah, I'm kind of a stickler about the rules. I think that's partly because I'm a teacher. I wish ZOS did a better job of fixing exploits and fairly enforcing consequences for the exploits that do occur. But I give pretty short shrift to excuses like "Its just a cosmetic" or "It doesn't really matter that I broke the TOS". You knew the rules, you agreed to the rules, the rules aren't unfair or too hard for you to follow. So cut the excuses. People broke the rules because they wanted a pretty cosmetic and a good weaponmuch easier than intended. They chose to do that knowingly and they can get with the consequences of getting caught. At the very least, I don't think they deserve to keep what they gained from breaking the rules.

It's not about rules. It's about moral character.

Cheating because you think you won't get caught demonstrates situational ethics. Take away social or legal repercussions and there may be no limit to what some people would do. In fact, there are a slew of studies spanning decades that ask the seemingly most upstanding, moral people whether they would commit certain crimes in the absence of social and legal repercussions. The results perfectly explain why every time a mass murderer, serial killer or serial *** is caught, all their neighbors say, 'oh my, they were so kind and gentle, they would never hurt a fly!'

So no, you can't both apply situational ethics and be a good person. Being a good person does not equate to behaving according to societal norms for fear of being punished. Rather, it equates to continuous moral behavior even if you know you will never get caught.

Let me add the following for that inevitable person that jumps in and says, 'oh come on, it's just cheating in a video game.'

https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/bernie-madoff-explains-himself

Yeah, we can get all moral about it, but I try to keep it simpler.

My students aren't bad people because they broke a classroom rule. But when they break a classroom rule, they suffer the consequences of that decision. I'm not taking excuses like "It was only a classroom rule."

A sports referee likewise doesn't make judgements about personal morality. They are there to make sure the rules are followed.

We all agreed to the TOS. If we break the TOS, we should expect to face the consequences. If people don't want to face the consequences, they shouldn't break the TOS. If someone doesnt want to be banned for exploiting vAS, dont exploit vAS.

I don't think we have to make judgments about someone being a good or a bad person to point out that people should follow the TOS of a video game if they want to keep playing it.

ralphylauren · August 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

A. Its not just the cosmetic. Its the weapon as well. That's the part that definitely has an impact on other players, whatever you think about the cosmetic. If you wanted it, why not join a trial run where the boss fights are done legitimately?

B. Yeah, I'm kind of a stickler about the rules. I think that's partly because I'm a teacher. I wish ZOS did a better job of fixing exploits and fairly enforcing consequences for the exploits that do occur. But I give pretty short shrift to excuses like "Its just a cosmetic" or "It doesn't really matter that I broke the TOS". You knew the rules, you agreed to the rules, the rules aren't unfair or too hard for you to follow. So cut the excuses. People broke the rules because they wanted a pretty cosmetic and a good weaponmuch easier than intended. They chose to do that knowingly and they can get with the consequences of getting caught. At the very least, I don't think they deserve to keep what they gained from breaking the rules.

It's not about rules. It's about moral character.

Cheating because you think you won't get caught demonstrates situational ethics. Take away social or legal repercussions and there may be no limit to what some people would do. In fact, there are a slew of studies spanning decades that ask the seemingly most upstanding, moral people whether they would commit certain crimes in the absence of social and legal repercussions. The results perfectly explain why every time a mass murderer, serial killer or serial *** is caught, all their neighbors say, 'oh my, they were so kind and gentle, they would never hurt a fly!'

So no, you can't both apply situational ethics and be a good person. Being a good person does not equate to behaving according to societal norms for fear of being punished. Rather, it equates to continuous moral behavior even if you know you will never get caught.

Let me add the following for that inevitable person that jumps in and says, 'oh come on, it's just cheating in a video game.'

https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/bernie-madoff-explains-himself

So what did that article prove? Oh excuse me it’s from Harvard website so it must ring true. BURH this is JUST A GAME, trust me when you guys actually move on from ESO you won’t give 2 *hits on who exploiting cosmetic skins. I find it even more comical the people who told that his friends aren’t worth nothing because they cheated in eso.

Nyladreas · August 2018

Someone explain to me what happened? I must have missed it. Why don't OP topics like this never explain whats happening? Or what did happen...

What exploit...?

Where?
Who?
When?
Why?
How?
@HighKinlady