Simple: People are noticing how bad it is because of the population difference between PvP non-event and Event PvP.

They should just reinstate double AP permanently if they seemingly cant be bothered to fix an aspect of their game in which their customers play, yes customers PvPers are customers too and DO spend money on the game contrary to popular myth. I've been playing since beta and I just do not play enough PvP to even get GO (I play both PvE and PvP) most people see playing as detrimental as it gains them nothing in the long run apart from a shiney rank and the purely pvers dont want to bother as getting the skill points from the ranks takes way too long right now (to the non-pvper).

This is literally a side effect of the event going away till next year. It was like this last time and it will be like this again until ZoS actually starts caring about PvP. Oh they will make changes, tweaks but until they throw their full wait behind fixing PvP these changes in the long run mean nothing.

And no Battlegrounds is not the be all end all of PvP. Its terrible, its just bleeds and sloads and dots. Nothing more. with no ability to balance it whatsoever.

AD dominated for over a year before then finally the event came along and EP had enough people to compete (A lot of AD moved to DC lol) then the event ended and suddenly 75% of EP stopped playing because of the lack of AP gains after the event ended and then the AD that jumped to DC jumped back and now here we are.

The campaigns dont gain people much. The rewards are lackluster for the vast majority as they dont have the time to reach the top 200 for legendary gear and most of the rewards are from sets that are utterly pointless to use. The distance between PvP ranks is large and dont deny it GOs but you all know how much AP that is between rank 35 and 50. its obnoxious and there are skill points behind those but nobody plays because the grind is pointless and only you lot have the time and focus to do it because you only pvp (or farm in one way or another) - Note im speaking to the people with multiple GO characters here.

ZoS need to rethink their approach to overland PvP and fix the damage flags in IC so that people dont get encouraged to run in a zerg for flag flipping purposes damn it.

Mayrael wrote: »

Should I bring my SS from hours around 23:00-01:00 when DC is pop locked and AD and EP are not? aaand last month EP won the campaign.

Thats because a bunch of people jumped faction to EP + the influx of Pvers for the event. The event is the only reason EP won, the screenshot in the OP is exactly what its like when the event is not on. I rarely see EP pop locked properly till 8pm and that is only due to the fact that half of EPs pop is either AFK or usually farming telvar i.e not pvpers.

We win once in a year and that means it invalidates everything else right? lol in fact that was the first time we won in probably two years to be honest.

TequilaFire wrote: »

Everybody wants to be an Altmer sorc hence the AD overpopulation.
This is now a nerf sorc thread. lol

It is happening since 2 - 3 years on EU Vivec. Almost the same thing is happening on NA (except there it is EP). So it is not the Summerset fault.

People are "switching teams" to the winning side. It is happening since ZOS decided for some bizarre reason that team switching in a PvP game is a good thing... (Seriusly - imagine this in any other PvP game)...

Except here it is happening on a larger scale and 30 - day campaign winner is decided in firts 7 days... (by PvDoor in the night / morning... So basically PvP is decided by PvE).
After this, other 2 alliances drop in player number significantly (players can, so they log as the "Winning Side" ).

Till ZOS wont fix this every time they make a skill balance / class balance - all those changes are pretty much irelevant while we have this broken, easy to exploit base game rules.
btw. There are way too many things that are caused by the fact that you can switch teams. So many intact that I might as well start a separate topic on that (It would be a wall of text If I would point them out)

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

I have to work, cant be in Cyrodiil most of the non weekend days. Clearly, some folk do not have to work and they live in Cyro.

Yup there is that, this is why the running "joke" is that most people who aren't ONLY ep are just unemployed lol I do stress this is supposed to be a joke.

I always thought that AD players who morning cap on EU Vivec are just some NA players who simply play in their "prime time" - but they log in to EU server. They also have a tendency to disappear close to EU prime time...

Cyrodiil needs the attention that classes get. There is no PVP class rep and the only changes that get introduced are just shoved on us without any consultation. We don't even have a broad description of ZOS's short, medium or long-term goals for Cyrodiil.

I don't recall anyone asking for any of the recent changes to siege damage or resources and keep degradation, but those are the changes we got.

I do see a lot of threads about faction imbalance and the effectiveness of night-capping to win a campaign. Complaints about the reduced D- ticks. Poor rewards. Oh yeah and performance but that's a given.

ZOS have 4-years worth of data on what their game engine can handle and it's clear that the current state of Cyrodiil doesn't meet the original design goals. They really need to go through every aspect of the game mode and come up with something that will work. The current policy of using duct tape to patch things seemingly at random isn't working as can be seen from the continuing decline in player numbers.

I want to play large scale objective based PVP with decent performance. ZOS if you can't get Cyro to work well, then build a small island with 6x outposts 3 keeps have it 50 v 50 v 50, have 8-hour campaign lengths. Be creative build something that you know will actually work well.

cc @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Forztr wrote: »

Cyrodiil needs the attention that classes get. There is no PVP class rep and the only changes that get introduced are just shoved on us without any consultation. We don't even have a broad description of ZOS's short, medium or long-term goals for Cyrodiil.

I don't recall anyone asking for any of the recent changes to siege damage or resources and keep degradation, but those are the changes we got.

I do see a lot of threads about faction imbalance and the effectiveness of night-capping to win a campaign. Complaints about the reduced D- ticks. Poor rewards. Oh yeah and performance but that's a given.

ZOS have 4-years worth of data on what their game engine can handle and it's clear that the current state of Cyrodiil doesn't meet the original design goals. They really need to go through every aspect of the game mode and come up with something that will work. The current policy of using duct tape to patch things seemingly at random isn't working as can be seen from the continuing decline in player numbers.

I want to play large scale objective based PVP with decent performance. ZOS if you can't get Cyro to work well, then build a small island with 6x outposts 3 keeps have it 50 v 50 v 50, have 8-hour campaign lengths. Be creative build something that you know will actually work well.

cc @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_BrianWheeler

This is the best comment and opinion i’ve ever seen, please listen this guy!

I’m curious whether there is anyway we can get insight into what the eso player count, and secondly, the pvp player count is? I’m guessing “no”, but just curious.

I play on Xbox NA, myself. It seems OK, we are typically pop-locked every evening. Sometimes guildies comment that the game is dying, or that new players aren’t joining, and I’m just curious what other folks think.

Thanks in advance, either way!!!

AD didn't win the last campaign, you somehow failed to mention that ?

Most of AD players are Legolasses btw, not Sorcs ... We could certainly use more Negates.

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

AD didn't win the last campaign, you somehow failed to mention that ?

Most of AD players are Legolasses btw, not Sorcs ... We could certainly use more Negates.

EP won their first campaign since I moved over from Sotha Sil (Azura's Star) over 12 months ago.

So ONE campaign vs 12, AT LEAST. I'm sure longer serving Vivec players will say it's much more than that...

When the campaign is won by morning cappers and people log on to a yellow map everyday its easy to see why people dont bother until there is more on. Last campaign there the morning cappers gave it a miss due to people actually being on and they couldnt take anything.

Its a sad state of affairs in Vivec atm, the last 2 days we have had a DC player log onto his lowbie Pact alt and deliver the blue scroll to his mates. The first scroll reset, but yesterday they did a better job and took it. Combine that with yellow morning cappers and people wonder why the campaign will eventually die and god help ESO pvp if another decent pvp game comes out because the players will be gone...perhaps thats what they want seeing as they dont fix anything to do with pvp

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